Programming or Trades? - "Learn to code!" VS "Learn to weld!"

[wtfNeedSignUp]

How much you'll be good in trades is a question of if you're a people person and good with intensive workload. If you're not good with people you'll probably have a hard time getting your name out for new gigs.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

electrician is the way to go, some nerd can design a system but he'll still need you to hook it up to mains power for insurance purposes.

there are so many subsections of electrician that some them need compentence and iq needed for bachelors degree . They siphoned all the smart guys to useless paper pushing , bean counting and code monkey degrees that they dont have someone to set up a system that is too complex for the run of the mill milenial and x er that does that job. If you have half a brain working you can rake in the big bucks without hurting yourself too much with something basic as valve systems and sensors maintaince
in a factory that boomers are too old to learn and the mileanials and xers on the job are just too dumb. The factory will throw in on call shifts and some bs for taking calls and bonuses you can easily reach 6 figures without breaking yourself or fucking up your body.

 

[Netizennameless]

Ignore the naysayers about getting programming jobs. Go on on interviews right now. Get ripped apart and write down everything they mention that you've never heard of. Then go learn about it and do a sample project that demonstrates that concept. Put it in a github. Rinse and repeat. Don't hesitate to ask interviewers to explain stuff you don't know, especially if you already blew the interview.

Show the ability to learn on your own, because overworked coworkers won't be there to train you. show the code you are capable of writing by having public sample projects and ask for a small salary for your first job.

Eventually someone will take a chance on a highly motivated junior. Take that first job and learn everything you can. Copy the patterns your coworkers use until you understand why they do it. Don't do significantly more or less work than your peers if you can handle the workload. Save that for your second job at higher pay and/or promotion.

There will be a lot of roadblocks along that path, but keep clearing them and you will eventually get hired.

 

[Anti Snigger]

Trades.
t. Programmer

 

[Harvey Danger]

Have you built stuff or repaired things on your own, in your free time, for fun? Or have you coded things, learned new software languages and built small demos of neat ideas?

Whichever one you naturally gravitate to when you're bored is the one you should try to make a career out of.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I don't mind rough ins for new construction. It's nice having all the walls open and it's way better working in a nice clean crawl space or open attic than it is working in dirty rat filled holes or attics blazing with the heat of a million suns. Plus you've usually got other contractors around to chat with and music going and shit like that.

You need redneck air conditioning if it’s hot - keep soaking your shirt in water (get a button up one because putting on a wet T-shirt is hell) and it drying out cools you down well.

One thing about trades vs programming is that if you have no initiative programming will slowly promote you somewhat. Trades can easily leave you as basically a bitch for your entire career. If you’re not a self mover and aren’t going to try to move up and out or start your own company, you may be better off in a union trade.

 

[Milles d'Allemagne]

Construction is full of white felons, niggers and illegals that will work harder than you for less. And if you have the drive to get up at five and fall back into bed when you get home 12-14 hours later, you can easily out compete the lazy fatsos that went into office jobs because they couldnt spend an hour standing.
Outsourcing is politician-nigger fearmongering because pajeets, much like muh AI, cannot problem solve, they can barely follow instructions and execute preprogrammed tasks. And pajeets will outright lie to you and spout nonsense, much like muh AI, instead of just admitting that they're useless streetshitters that cant do what you asked them to.

 

[Back me up!]

Construction is full of white felons, niggers and illegals that will work harder than you for less. And if you have the drive to get up at five and fall back into bed when you get home 12-14 hours later, you can easily out compete the lazy fatsos that went into office jobs because they couldnt spend an hour standing.
Outsourcing is politician-nigger fearmongering because pajeets, much like muh AI, cannot problem solve, they can barely follow instructions and execute preprogrammed tasks. And pajeets will outright lie to you and spout nonsense, much like muh AI, instead of just admitting that they're useless streetshitters that cant do what you asked them to.

The thing is, if you can handle it, there is really good money to be had fixing all the pajeets work. I've made a 20+ year career out of it and I still keep getting paid.

And not all programming is Silicon Valley/FAANG shit!

 

[sadrefrigerator]

Ignore the naysayers about getting programming jobs. Go on on interviews right now. Get ripped apart and write down everything they mention that you've never heard of.

I generally like the advice of learning what you missed in interviews, however its not very constructive if you know very little or nothing. Interviews start easy and get harder, both in each individual interview, and subsequent interviews one after another. Meaning if you trip up at the first easy question they ask, you'll never reach the harder questions and the interviewer will have already given up on you at that point. If you fail the screen, you'll never reach the final rounds. You need to have some idea of what you are doing if you want to gain meaningful insight from failing interviews.

 

[Chongqing]

Coding is for Indians these days.

I'd say fix or build things in other ways.

 

[God's drunkest driver]

I can speak on welding since not only have I done some of it in a hobbyist sense but I've managed a shop which employed professional welders among other tradesmen such as machinists doing aerospace stuff. Most of them were older, more experienced guys, because what we did in the shop required top quality and wasn't physically demanding compared to many welding jobs. Some of these guys started out with pipe welding and some did underwater at some point, it's all very hard on your body and dangerous work. There are the obvious dangers of hot things, sparks and slag flying around, eye damage, and then there are issues with hazardous atmosphere, repetitive strain, contorting yourself to some bizarre position, etc. Welding isn't a cake trade. I really doubt anyone is cross-shopping coding and welding, it takes a totally different type of person. Most programmers and engineers would never tolerate the conditions welders put up with daily even in our air conditioned shop.

 

[56 others]

wat do

do a one year tech college course in hvac and get out there.

benefits, bonuses, take home work vehicle, out of doors, solid pay, lots of different career paths, cant be replaced by brown retards

 

[xh9lqwz9c]

Trades. Especially if female.

 

[AWizard]

The thing is, if you can handle it, there is really good money to be had fixing all the pajeets work. I've made a 20+ year career out of it and I still keep getting paid.

And not all programming is Silicon Valley/FAANG shit!

Got a step by step guide?

 

[Back me up!]

Got a step by step guide?

Join a East Coast based government consulting company. The work requires American to do it (especially if it requires a clearance) and the Visa they hired are just as bad as H1Bs. I have been on a project that has its VP dragged out in front of Congress for being such a absolutely shit show that the winners of the extension actually brought in a bunch of white people.

If you have problems getting into the door just get certs. Ton and tons of certs in what you like to do. I'm particle to the Red Hat ones just because the exam is a practical exam (aka they put in you locked VM with no internet/only documentation and have you complete a bunch of tasks) but any will help you get in.

 

[Chimerical]

As someone who's about to enter the tech world, I wish I did a trade instead. I've discovered that I like doing things by hand and having the results of my work be physically tangible. Like others in the thread said, you need to know whether you like tangibility or not.

 

[Canard]

Do programming if you have actual interest in it or computers in general. And by that I mean at least wasting time browsing crap about them. AI won't replace anyone who decides what to do fully. And you might have to compete with more competent people off-shore, but still it will be reasonably paid as those competent people are not cheap either...

With programming you can be pretty lazy and still do well enough...

 

[Troon_Patrol]

My opinion if coding only requires minimal English it will be outsourced immediately, its just data that can be sent overseas in minutes. If a career requires an on site human being with a technical understanding and they are in a desperate situation you are in a good business.

 

[Ayon]

I always recommend getting your CDL instead, especially if you are single and have no real responsibilities

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

in terms of rewarding a trade is better, digital busywork is empty and meaningless and the corporate culture around it is cancer, its why so many fall to hedonism , become neurotic and troon out, the toll is paid in mental health. Tradespeople are annoyingly smug but is understandable to a point, there's a confidence that comes with doing that kind of work and impacting the real world.