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[tantric_depressive]

It is, as I said, a sad and utterly frightening place sometimes. A lot of the low level people are total gangsters. Yes, people do pull off armed robberies on each other and beat people up and forcibly dose them with sanity-destroying amounts of LSD. It is an incredibly insular world that the outside world really knows next to nothing about. There was one documentray, I believe it was called Dreadheads or something like that that sort of shows a little bit of the total madness but really, you have to have been there. I could go on for hours about this stuff. Now that drugs are available easily for stupid people online things are a little different, that scene was dying when I left and that was before Silk Road et al. (although secret online forums for selling drugs were a thing...that was a scene with some lolcows and scammers and flying accusations of pedophelia and just a lot of wtf.) So I am sure stuff is different now. To a degree. But I'm sure the lot lizard degens are still doing their thing.

Being forcibly dosed with insane amounts of any hallucinogen has got to be one of the most horrific and terrifying things that could be done to someone imho. Just enduring one self-administered regular dosage that turns into a bad trip is brutal ordeal enough, usually with lasting consequences. I'd have to imagine a huge forced dose is like being sentenced to one's own permanent, personal hell on earth

 

[Spooky Bones]

Being forcibly dosed with insane amounts of any hallucinogen has got to be one of the most horrific and terrifying things that could be done to someone imho. Just enduring one self-administered regular dosage that turns into a bad trip is brutal ordeal enough, usually with lasting consequences. I'd have to imagine a huge forced dose is like being sentenced to one's own permanent, personal hell on earth

The stories that get told to scare kids include getting tied to trees and doused in honey or sugar water or whatever so insects climb all over you. I don't know how accurate that is although I don't doubt it's happened but I do know of some people who were forcibly dosed against their will because they pissed people off (owed money, or in one case a girl who traveled with some shady dude for a while and he figured he was owed sex and she wasn't having it; I knew her both before and after this incident and can confirm that she was seriously changed by it up to a year or so out or actually way more . We're talking like 50-100 "hits" of liquid acid.) There are stories about people loading acid up in spray bottles and stuff too, but I have to cast doubt on that one because Nick Sands did an experiment in which he painted DMSO on his arm (which makes skin permeable, it's what's in nicotine/fentanyl/clonidine patches and such) and put LSD there and had no effects; the idea of absorbing acid through the skin is largely a myth.

When dealing with crystal LSD, though, it's pretty hard to avoid getting a dose one way or another, the stuff is so potent (I've witnessed people pouring it onto a scale, and a nigh-on invisible little pume of the stuff leading to dosage by inhalation; remember, 1 gram = 10,000 typical decent sized retail doses or 4-5,000 pretty solid trips or 1,000 absolutely balls out insane experiences. This costs something like ballpark $10-12,000, more if you're a custie faggot, less if you're really well connected and buying in bulk, or at least it did when I was involved with this sort of thing. Online, I'm told, mostly shipping from Europe, it costs a lot more. Protip: never give these people your business they are abject faggots. Some dirty hippie you meet at a festival is likely an abject faggot, too, and probably either a drunk or a junkie, with some mental health issues on top, but at least you can reach out and touch someone; shake their hand or shake them down as necessary.) You would not believe the amount of scummy shit I have seen in that world, though. Some really, really dangerous people get down in that scene, even though there is a lot of talk about being about "the love and the light."

Things vary depending on where you go: kids from the Northeast get a bad rap but IME actually they are mostly on the level and about the business. Kids from the south can be awesome but also can have that "Florida man" thing going on. Kids from the West Coast are insufferable headier-than-thou faggots and think that proximity to the Haight gives them some kind of authority over shit; there are also a lot of them and they aren't afraid to put some intimidation on someone from a different area or crew. Of any geographic area flyover country kids are the chillest in my experience. "GDF" (Grateful Dead Family, a term which once had a totally chill and benign connotation and now is used by gangsters) sets are some fucked up people. Some of them have ties with, appropriately or ironically enough, GD (as in Gangsta Disciples) or other kinds of sets, among other things.

Again all of this is horribly outdated info. Jerry was alive when I started doing this shit and I stopped before there was such a thing as Tor [edit-OK apparently Tor has been around since 2002 but no nobody heard of it at the time], Bitcoin, or dark web (there were forums but you connected via regular https, sent email via hushmail [which was a really bad idea as they forked over boatloads of info about, among other things, some steroid dealers] or sometimes PGP, and either sent money via Western Union, envelopes of cash, or something of that nature.) From people I kept in touch with who are still in that world Silk Road & friends were as one might expect really disruptive to the economy and really just lead to more scummy behavior (like selling weird chinese chemicals as LSD) and pain and suffering for ordinary working dealers who had to go against online retailers who were now selling to the end user instead of being a kind of exclusive club for midlevel dealers and hardcore drug connosieurs (the kinds of people this thread is about.)

 

[W00K #17]

Diphenhydramine AKA benadryl does basically the same thing as datura in extremely high doses.

Some interesting times as a young teen me and my friends had on that shit. Kinda fun until the spiders start to cover ceiling. The phantom cigarettes were kinda funny though. I thought I dropped one on my friends floor and spent what felt like hours searching for it before another friend let me know that none of us had smoked a cig all day. Good times.


In regards to people being given hallucinations against their will, here's a good story. Once at a phish show there was a guy going up and down our section with a large dropper (like it was bigger than a normal sized dropper) and giving people free hits of Lucy. I took one myself, and tripped balls during the second set, it was some good shit.

He hadn't gotten far, the dropper was still almost entirely full, when an undercover tapped him on the back of the shoulder and asks "what do you got there son" or something to that effect. The wook spins around instantly, and o swear, the absolute madman squirted the ENTIRE droppers worth of acid into the cops open mouth. I mentioned how it was a bigger dropper than you're used to seeing, I'm pretty sure the cop was dosed with several hundred hits minimum of potent LSD.

Then the wook proceeded to sprint off and disappear into the crowd in the next section.

The cop gave chase, but only made it maybe 30 strides or so before he fell to ground and started, twitching, I guess.

Seeing that pig fall to the ground and convulse with just a look of sheer utter terror on his face was one of the funniest things I had ever seen.

Jambands and drugs r fun.

 

[RichardMongler]

This lunatic drew my attention to this particular community.

 

[Spooky Bones]

- Rick Doblin is a coke snorting Zionist with military-industrial connections
- Hamilton Morris is cool as fuck but a huge hipster
- Neal Goldsmith is a #MeToo waiting to happen and considers himself the successor of Tim Leary
- Sasha Shulgin (RIP) secretly disliked hippies and the drug culture
- Many more; I knew them all (a good while ago but still)
Which drug culture celebrities do you want dirt on faggots

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

This lunatic drew my attention to this particular community.

Just glancing at that guy's " ideas" force plays Chapelle in my head.

Sasha Shulgin (RIP) secretly disliked hippies

I'm pretty sure even hippies secretly dislike hippies.

 

[W00K #17]

- Rick Doblin is a coke snorting Zionist with military-industrial connections
- Hamilton Morris is cool as fuck but a huge hipster
- Neal Goldsmith is a #MeToo waiting to happen and considers himself the successor of Tim Leary
- Sasha Shulgin (RIP) secretly disliked hippies and the drug culture
- Many more; I knew them all (a good while ago but still)
Which drug culture celebrities do you want dirt on faggots

Know anything about anyone stateside producing LSD on mass scale post Pickard bust?

 

[Spooky Bones]

Know anything about anyone stateside producing LSD on mass scale post Pickard bust?

picked up in earnest around 2007-8 and was out of Northern California (often as "white-on-white")
if I knew more than that I couldn't tell you
but now a lot of commercial LSD is out of Europe

 

[W00K #17]

picked up in earnest around 2007-8 and was out of Northern California
if I knew more than that I couldn't tell you
but now a lot of commercial LSD is out of Europe

Part of why I dont do LSD anymore is I just have zero confidence that I'm not buying some shit research chemical that was made in China. Theres all sorts of cheaper easier to make drugs that have similar effects as L, and can fit on a piece of blotter as well. Why would anyone go to the effort of manufacturing real acid when you can make cheap substitutes much easier and just say that its "acid"?

 

[Spooky Bones]

Jambands and drugs r fun.

Here's a good story, I'll greentext because I'm lazy:

> dealer unaffiliated with any major crew
> luck into scoring a couple grams of L
> sitting outside of Phil show with a jug of DDH2O with LSD in it diluted so as to have a dixie cup = 250micrograms
> handing them out for free to celebrate and to advertise for selling more later after the show
> some wook gangster faggot walks up
> "who the fuck are you supposed to be?"
> "just some guy from the midwest bro"
> "yeah you're a faggot only cali has the good L"
> "ok"
> "fuck it gimme that shit I've been tripping for days it wont do shit ur shit is weak"
> wook chugs it
> utterly catatonic within 45 minutes
> all of his wook friends show up like they're going to beat the shit out of midwestbro
> his boy goes and gets a gun from out of the undercarriage of the car
> atmosphere tense as fuck
> really careful negotiation as midwestbro explains he's not even on tour just trying to earn a little cash
> wooks tell him they will spin him out for the rest of his life if they see him on the west coast evar
> everyone goes away peacefully

Part of why I dont do LSD anymore is I just have zero confidence that I'm not buying some shit research chemical that was made in China.

you're not kidding...
conventional wisdom used to be that traditional blotters would only hold like 1mg per 2.5cm^2, max, so you didn't really have to worry about it, that was before the BOMamines, of course, now not so much, there are plenty of stupidly potent drugs
(as another story, I was cool with the guys who died when they tried to make 2CBFly aka Ann Shulgin's favorite but the chinese made DOBFly instead, oops, dead.)
people will actually add small amounts of various shit to the blotters to make it react with Ehrlich's reagent and other shit that people test with for a presumptive-positive on LSD (and no blacklights do not work)
people are scumbags.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

Here's a good story, I'll greentext because I'm lazy:

> dealer unaffiliated with any major crew
> luck into scoring a couple grams of L
> sitting outside of Phil show with a jug of DDH2O with LSD in it diluted so as to have a dixie cup = 250micrograms
> handing them out for free to celebrate and to advertise for selling more later after the show
> some wook gangster faggot walks up
> "who the fuck are you supposed to be?"
> "just some guy from the midwest bro"
> "yeah you're a faggot only cali has the good L"
> "ok"
> "fuck it gimme that shit"
> wook chugs it
> utterly catatonic within 45 minutes
> all of his wook friends show up like they're going to beat the shit out of midwestbro
> his boy goes and gets a gun from out of the undercarriage of the car
> atmosphere tense as fuck
> really careful negotiation as midwestbro explains he's not even on tour just trying to earn a little cash
> wooks tell him they will spin him out for the rest of his life if they see him on the west coast evar
> everyone goes away peacefully


you're not kidding...
conventional wisdom used to be that traditional blotters would only hold like 1mg per 2.5cm^2, max, so you didn't really have to worry about it, that was before the BOMamines, of course, now not so much, there are plenty of stupidly potent drugs
(as another story, I was cool with the guys who died when they tried to make 2CBFly aka Ann Shulgin's favorite but the chinese made DOBFly instead, oops, dead.)
people will actually add small amounts of various shit to the blotters to make it react with Ehrlich's reagent and other shit that people test with for a presumptive-positive on LSD (and no blacklights do not work)
people are scumbags.

Ok, I stayed out of the hippie bullshit except for having some purchasing connections within the area because I was a raver so you know, shared chemical interests, but are you seriously trying to tell me that I'd was some kind of bizzaro world where califags thought they could take on Midwest kids?

That is literally the opposite of every other scene I've ever been around.

 

[W00K #17]

Here's a good story, I'll greentext because I'm lazy:

> dealer unaffiliated with any major crew
> luck into scoring a couple grams of L
> sitting outside of Phil show with a jug of DDH2O with LSD in it diluted so as to have a dixie cup = 250micrograms
> handing them out for free to celebrate and to advertise for selling more later after the show
> some wook gangster faggot walks up
> "who the fuck are you supposed to be?"
> "just some guy from the midwest bro"
> "yeah you're a faggot only cali has the good L"
> "ok"
> "fuck it gimme that shit"
> wook chugs it
> utterly catatonic within 45 minutes
> all of his wook friends show up like they're going to beat the shit out of midwestbro
> his boy goes and gets a gun from out of the undercarriage of the car
> atmosphere tense as fuck
> really careful negotiation as midwestbro explains he's not even on tour just trying to earn a little cash
> wooks tell him they will spin him out for the rest of his life if they see him on the west coast evar
> everyone goes away peacefully


you're not kidding...
conventional wisdom used to be that traditional blotters would only hold like 1mg per 2.5cm^2, max, so you didn't really have to worry about it, that was before the BOMamines, of course, now not so much, there are plenty of stupidly potent drugs
(as another story, I was cool with the guys who died when they tried to make 2CBFly aka Ann Shulgin's favorite but the chinese made DOBFly instead, oops, dead.)
people will actually add small amounts of various shit to the blotters to make it react with Ehrlich's reagent and other shit that people test with for a presumptive-positive on LSD (and no blacklights do not work)
people are scumbags.

West coast scene is terrible imo. About as far as I'll go in that direction to see a show is Dicks and red rocks in Colorado or maybe the gorge in WA (most scenic outdoor venue in America imo) but I havent even gone that far in years. The east coast fans are a bit better. I agree with what someone said about the flyover states being the best to see jambands at. The cops at Alpine are fucking faggots but the crowd is always so chill.

 

[Spooky Bones]

Ok, I stayed out of the hippie bullshit except for having some purchasing connections within the area because I was a raver so you know, shared chemical interests, but are you seriously trying to tell me that I'd was some kind of bizzaro world where califags thought they could take on Midwest kids?

That is literally the opposite of every other scene I've ever been around.

there are a lot more of them, they are better organized, and they think they are the only "true" members of the scene. Most of the high-ranking members of the traditional touring crews are based out of there, and a lot of the traditional routes for distribution of drugs (british columbia -> california -> tour for MDMA, mexico -> california -> tour for vetket, or california -> tour for LSD or netherlands -> california -> tour for various shit) happen from there so yeah. but this is a very antiquated attitude especially in the internet age. honestly things may be different these days especially if the general societal faggotry which is endemic to california has infected younger millenials/zoomers on tour but I wouldn't know.

I decided to stop patronizing shows after "Deadheads for Obama" on general principle. The Dead was never political. Only very occasionally even given to sentiments like save the planet or stop the violence. Certainly never partisan. That shit offended me so bad. I literally saw Phil like twice since then and Bobby never (he was worse with it and more of a faggot generally although I love the cowboy songs.) DSO cause they're my kids but still. left such a bad taste in my mouth. not to mention a lot of the values expressed in the music and the culture go to traditional Americana and freewheeling capitalism for lower middle class white folk respectively not leftist bullshit.

 

[W00K #17]

there are a lot more of them, they are better organized, and they think they are the only "true" members of the scene. Most of the high-ranking members of the traditional touring crews are based out of there, and a lot of the traditional routes for distribution of drugs (british columbia -> california -> tour for MDMA, mexico -> california -> tour for vetket, or california -> tour for LSD or netherlands -> california -> tour for various shit) happen from there so yeah. but this is a very antiquated attitude especially in the internet age. honestly things may be different these days especially if the general societal faggotry which is endemic to california has infected younger millenials/zoomers on tour but I wouldn't know.

I decided to stop patronizing shows after "Deadheads for Obama" on general principle. The Dead was never political. Only very occasionally even given to sentiments like save the planet or stop the violence. Certainly never partisan. That shit offended me so bad. I literally saw Phil like twice since then and Bobby never (he was worse with it and more of a faggot generally although I love the cowboy songs.) DSO cause they're my kids but still. left such a bad taste in my mouth. not to mention a lot of the values expressed in the music and the culture go to traditional Americana and freewheeling capitalism for lower middle class white folk respectively not leftist bullshit.

The last "dead" shows I went to were the soldier field shows in 2015 with trey standing in for jerry. Thay was a magical few days, but I havent felt the need for the dead since. Still see a few phish shows a year.

I feel like when Jerry died and Phish broke up, alot of the psychedelic drug scene died with it. Those shows and tours were the distribution method for ALOT of the total psychedelics being sold in North America at the time. Phish is back, but I dont think those distribution channels have ever fully come back with them.

 

[Spooky Bones]

The last "dead" shows I went to were the soldier field shows in 2015 with trey standing in for jerry. Thay was a magical few days, but I havent felt the need for the dead since. Still see a few phish shows a year.

I know a lot of kids that went to those, everyone had a great time. Unfortunately by then I was a bit too ensconsed in my real job.

I feel like when Jerry died and Phish broke up, alot of the psychedelic drug scene died with it. Those shows and tours were the distribution method for ALOT of the total psychedelics being sold in North America at the time. Phish is back, but I dont think those distribution channels have ever fully come back with them.

Yeah no kidding. It was a very special time and place. Not that there was nothing dirty when Jerry was alive but somehow that felt like it kept the wall from caving in. Once the old guard bands were gone (as such), even when there was just a little interim period, it felt like people were totally aimless. People were switching to following Pearl jam and stuff. Nothing wrong with Pearl Jam but quite a different world. Of course in the 90s stadium show days is when the whole gypsy travelling circus really kicked off in an extreme way; there was a shakedown before (naturally, although I'm not quite old enough to speak about it first hand) but not so that there was a whole subculture living off of it in what amounted to a parasitic way. Making your own way across the country seeing shows slinging veggie burritos and occasional tenstrips is a way different lifestyle than basically gangbanging.

Oh and I've met Tommy Tooter more than once, too. Unfortunately I have nothing to add to his thread. He's a creep and a weirdo. Big surprise there I know.

Doug Spink (Fausty) the animal fucker and snitch, too. I posted a bit about him with my old account in his thread. Other lolcows from Bluelight include a chick named Eveleivibe and a troon named GoddessLSDXTC, but there are plenty.

 

[Shroom King]

Be cool, stay in school.

High school student groped staff members while high on LSD: cops

archived 17 Nov 2019 15:41:03 UTC

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After being taken to a hospital for an evaluation, he allegedly tried to strangle the nurse with her stethoscope, police said. The teen told hospital staff his dog gave him LSD, FOX8 Cleveland reported.

 

[Spooky Bones]

High school student groped staff members while high on LSD: cops

archived 17 Nov 2019 15:41:03 UTC

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there's a kid kicking it old school wow. getting some real 90s vibes from that shit...before the online drug subculture was big a lot of what we knew about drugs was from urban myths and shit like that (I've been online since 1993 though and had USENET and had the whole triumvirate of alt.drugs/alt.drugs.hard/alt.drugs.psychedelics* and actually knowing the shit I learned from there and then from Paranoia and the Lycaeum (remember them?) and Erowid were instrumental in making me one of the cool kids on lot and in my super drug soaked college) and we'd hear really extreme stories like this that no doubt grew in the telling...that right there is a legitimate scare story.

*there were some legit pre-LOLCOWS in those groups. there was a guy named RFGDXM and a chick named Lucidity who was also on an early dxm forum called the Third Plateau. genuine mad lads. Bill White of DXM FAQ fame (I remember the post when he said "Maybe a FAQ is needed!" I'm fucking old!) was also a really weird dude. He wound up addicted to PCP and going to a lot of conferences bouncing around being a burden to drug spergs like me who were impressed with who he was and then had to take care of his dissociated ass. I have no idea what happened to him or if he is still living. People in this world have a really, really sad propensity to die. "Morning Glory Seed" (M––) who wrote a FUCKTON of trip reports for Erowid and Bluelight was the last famous one to go. Really sad. He was a great dude although drugs arguably did some really strange things to him...

**and the psychedelic conferences were something else. at a Horizons Conference in NYC in like 2008(? neal get fucked you degenerate satyromaniac) there was some chick got up and started shouting about a "patriarchal mushroom cult." (considering the last few years I guess she was just before her time)

 

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I decided to stop patronizing shows after "Deadheads for Obama" on general principle. The Dead was never political. Only very occasionally even given to sentiments like save the planet or stop the violence. Certainly never partisan. That shit offended me so bad.

Did you ever meet Ann Coulter?

 

[Spooky Bones]

Did you ever meet Ann Coulter?

LOL no although she was probably at some show that I was at in the 90s. Maybe. Not sure when she stopped going. The thing is, and people don't really understand this, it would be really kinda surprising if she hasn't done a lot of acid (what I mean to say is that it's a stereotype for a really good reason) which seems out of the character she presents publicly. But really there are hundreds of thousands of people in that world,she wasn't, I don't think, ever a notable figure in the subculture as opposed to a figure like fast eddy (RIP) and the A CAMP/wrecking crew ("alcohol camp" from rainbow gatherings, booze isn't supposed to be elsewhere... Neither is money but yeah right those things are drug trafficking hothouses) who everyone has a story about. (fast eddy was a dealer, occasional pimp, alleged informer, leader of a crew that employed a bunch of young kidz, and absolute icon who was #1 Google search result image for "hippie" for Years. You have see that picture–he's sticking out hs tongue–it still gets memed today)

(Rainbow gatherings are absolutely insane. You will feel like you have totally left consensus reality and wonder if the shit actually happened to you once it is done. Absolutely the place to go for the most totally demented lsd related fuckery. Violence and stuff does happen. If you are going to get in a fight or raped or robbed you are supposed to yell SHANTI SENA SANTI SHENA which (allegedly) means "peacemaker" in some Indian (feather...i think...oh fuck it) language. Then people are supposed to come up and help you resolve your beef or not get raped. Did I mention rape? People aren't dragging girls behind trees left and right or anything (at least not usually) but sexual exploitation of drugged out young or naive girls is RIFE.

That was kind of steam of consciousness but I'll keep this shit coming unless people tell me to stfu. this is actually kinda helpful for me because I have the very early draft of a novel about this stuff written that I'm trying to dust off so dredging up memories is a blessing. kids like @W00K #17 @greengrilledcheese can no doubt cosign all this shit and tell some more tales of their own if they should so choose

 

[W00K #17]

LOL no although she was probably at some show that I was at in the 90s. Maybe. Not sure when she stopped going. The thing is, and people don't really understand this, it would be really kinda surprising if she hasn't done a lot of acid (what I mean to say is that it's a stereotype for a really good reason) which seems out of the character she presents publicly. But really there are hundreds of thousands of people in that world,she wasn't, I don't think, ever a notable figure in the subculture as opposed to a figure like fast eddy and the A CAMP/wrecking crew ("alcohol camp" from rainbow gatherings, booze isn't supposed to be elsewhere... Neither is money but yeah right those things are drug trafficking hothouses) who everyone has a story about. (fast eddy was a dealer, occasional pimp, alleged informer, leader of a crew that employed a bunch of young kidz, and absolute icon who was #1 Google search result image for "hippie" for Years. You have see that picture–he's sticking out hs tongue–it still gets memed today)

(Rainbow gatherings are absolutely insane. You will feel like you have totally left consensus reality and wonder if the shit actually happened to you once it is done. Absolutely the place to go for the most totally demented lsd related fuckery. Violence and stuff does happen. If you are going to get in a fight or raped or robbed you are supposed to yell SHANTI SENA SANTI SHENA which (allegedly) means "peacemaker" in some Indian (feather...i think...oh fuck it) language. Then people are supposed to come up and help you resolve your beef or not get raped. Did I mention rape? People aren't dragging girls behind trees left and right or anything (at least not usually) but sexual exploitation of drugged out young or naive girls is RIFE.

That was kind of steam of consciousness but I'll keep this shit coming unless people tell me to stfu. this is actually kinda helpful for me because I have the very early draft of a novel about this stuff written that I'm trying to dust off so dredging up memories is a blessing. kids like @W00K #17 @greengrilledcheese can no doubt cosign all this shit and tell some more tales of their own if they should so choose

One thing I've always wanted to know more about is the 12 tribe's people. Pretty much all I've ever heard is that they're complete loonies and to stay the hell away from their bus if you see it at a show.