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One thing I've always wanted to know more about is the 12 tribe's people. Pretty much all I've ever heard is that they're complete loonies and to stay the hell away from their bus if you see it at a show.
My kid's ex girlfriend did some secretarial work for their leader (I forget his name) and he tried to recruit her but she wasn't having it (I went to college not far from their compound.) She said they are pretty nice for the most part (well, she was beautiful and they were trying to recruit her) but they are ABSOLUTELY FUCKING INSANE. Picture the Mountain Jews crossed with The Family International (the child-molesting, Cathy Don't Go--pop masterpiece btw--happy-clappy quasi-Christian cult Family, not the Grateful Dead Family or the Rainbow Family or the Australian acid-taking child-molesting Family, shit this gets confusing. They are like TFI in that they are a group who's doctrine kinda sounds like typical conservative/fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity with some weird flair but have really aberrant practices on top of it.) Communal living, weird sexual shit, semi-arranged encounters/marriages (the more influential you are the prettier wife you get) They have a suspiciously large amount of money and land. Weird relationship with drugs, too, it's supposed to be discouraged, but, meh, I dunno, I also heard that they dose people. Like the Scientologists they have boats. Fucking boats and of course the buses. I wish I knew more about them honestly but I would encounter them all the fucking time in college. I am sure more will come to me but the main stuff that I associate with them is the role of women and the barefoot children (there have been child abuse cases apparently.) Those people always scared the shit out of me. They've also had a couple weird legal cases I think. Do NOT get on the "Yahshua" bus! Cults are spooky as fuck. In this context doubly so because they take advantage of the vulnerable state doing a fuckton of drugs can inculcate in a certain type of person. The classic cult tactic of "love bombing" is really effective if you're riding high on that pseudo-samadhi wave of a lot of L or molz and the people seem heady as fuck.
 
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My kid's ex girlfriend did some secretarial work for their leader (I forget his name) and he tried to recruit her but she wasn't having it (I went to college not far from their compound.) She said they are pretty nice for the most part (well, she was beautiful and they were trying to recruit her) but they are ABSOLUTELY FUCKING INSANE. Picture the Mountain Jews crossed with The Family International (the child-molesting, Cathy Don't Go--pop masterpiece btw--happy-clappy quasi-Christian cult Family, not the Grateful Dead Family or the Rainbow Family or the Australian acid-taking child-molesting Family, shit this gets confusing. They are like TFI in that they are a group who's doctrine kinda sounds like typical conservative/fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity with some weird flair but have really aberrant practices on top of it.) Communal living, weird sexual shit, semi-arranged encounters/marriages (the more influential you are the prettier wife you get) They have a suspiciously large amount of money and land. Weird relationship with drugs, too, it's supposed to be discouraged, but, meh, I dunno, I also heard that they dose people. Like the Scientologists they have boats. Fucking boats and of course the buses. I wish I knew more about them honestly but I would encounter them all the fucking time in college. I am sure more will come to me but the main stuff that I associate with them is the role of women and the barefoot children (there have been child abuse cases apparently.) Those people always scared the shit out of me. They've also had a couple weird legal cases I think. Do NOT get on the "Yahshua" bus! Cults are spooky as fuck. In this context doubly so because they take advantage of the vulnerable state doing a fuckton of drugs can inculcate in a certain type of person. The classic cult tactic of "love bombing" is really effective if you're riding high on that pseudo-samadhi wave of a lot of L or molz and the people seem heady as fuck.
Love the insights. I've always enjoyed the music of the Dead, but never had the opportunity to attend a concert of any of the offshoots- interesting to learn more about the community around it.

Interesting to hear about the Twelve Tribes people. I guess they came out of the same 'Jesus Movement' that the 'Jesus People' in Chicago did, but while that thing-that-sounds-awfully-like-a-cult straightened out and settled down into a particularly culty megachurch, they kept on moving along (which has obvious implications as far as child protection etc goes). Their theology also sounds quite like some of the ideas of 'British Israelism' (but without the full craziness of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) being born in Yorkshire), which of course they deny. Sounds like there are a few other cults around the scene.. do any of the others follow the old Jesus Movement path, or is that passe?
 
One thing I've always wanted to know more about is the 12 tribe's people. Pretty much all I've ever heard is that they're complete loonies and to stay the hell away from their bus if you see it at a show.

I distinctly remember browsing the DEA's website in 2001 and under their "drugs of concern" tab they had a page about LSD, and they suspected that all the LSD made in North America (and possibly globally) was done by a group as small as 12 people.

I can't find the page now (it appears to have been memory-holed) but I wonder if there is any connection between the 12 "suspects" and the 12 tribes.
 
I distinctly remember browsing the DEA's website in 2001 and under their "drugs of concern" tab they had a page about LSD, and they suspected that all the LSD made in North America (and possibly globally) was done by a group as small as 12 people.

I can't find the page now (it appears to have been memory-holed) but I wonder if there is any connection between the 12 "suspects" and the 12 tribes.
That would be a hard no. 12 tribes is a weird cult that was active in the dead milieu (with a strange and somewhat hairy relationship to drugs that I actually don't even fully know), the name is just a biblical reference and the number of 12 suspects can only be a coincidence. The twelve would be the NorCal "family" which as I was mentioning above is a way overused term lol. In this setting "Grateful Dead Family" can mean either the tight-knight group that is at least somewhat connected to the band, or a loose drug-trafficking organization that operates on lot, sort of a psychedelic mafia. There is putatively some connection to the 60s era Brotherhood of Eternal Love but kinda maybe not really who the hell knows. Pickard of missile silo fame was not himself a deadhead although his product certainly was distributed in the majority via the avenues of Grateful Dead concerts (via Nick Sand at al.) I hung out with Krystal Cole, the stripper who was involved with him and that total psycho Gordon Todd Skinner (she is kind of a ditz, I wasn't that big a fan to be honest) but this was years after the bust (which was in 2000.) After the big bust, LSD manufacturing was disorganized for years, it took 'till circa 2007-2008 for stuff to really take off again in earnest although there was some distribution going on. Pickard started sometime in the 80s I think, while bear and co dominated in the 60s & stopped in the early 70s. Then during my heyday it was Pickard's L followed by various L of sometimes questionable provenance (in the early 00s was the first time since the 60s where we had to worry about psychedelic amphetamines, in this case DOB, in the historical case DOM (a/k/a "STP"), being substituted for LSD, but generally this stuff would look kind of suspect by being thicker than an ordinary blotter...if on blotter that is of course)

There are several important points regarding LSD synthesis-(1) you have to really know what you are doing, not even just have been taught how, but honestly you need to be educated in chemistry -- Owsley/Bear wasn't, but still. He was taught by Tim Scully, who was also not a trained chemist, and a woman who's name I forgot who was indeed a chemist -- but generally it is not like making MA where you can pretty much follow a "recipe" you need to know your business (2) at least these days, getting precursors is not that easy. there are several different routes to LSD but the most famous is probably via ergotamine tartrate (ET) and with diehylamine reduced from pesticide (yes really and no it is not toxic once it reaches the end user) and (3) if you get past these barriers there is no reason not to make a fuckton (by "fuckton" I mean on the order of millions of "hits") of it, therefore, oftentimes only a few operations will be covering most of the market for LSD, period, this was definitely the case in the 90s. This was they heyday of "Operation Dead End" the DEA op targeting Dead lot. I'm not sure if this is how they found the other end of the chain that lead to WLP but it is probably so.

So then after Pickards bust things were a little disorganized but then they started to pick up again. This is the time you're thinking about. The market was disorganized and sketchy and acid was no longer cheap and plentiful, the breakup of the Dead & a hiatus for Phish etc didn't help matters either. 12 sounds like a reasonable and actually maybe even high number for the count of people who were actually movers and shakers in terms of keeping thnigs flowing up top. It was a weird time as W00K was mentioning. Then things kind of got more collected and you had P&F, ratdog, TOO, the Dead, various other spinoff bands one of which usually was doing their thing at least each summer. By 07-08 things were well situated and just a few years after that the market, like everything else, was assraped by the Internet.

I'm going to make another post about the 12 tribes and pther weird shit later but honestly I'm not sure I know enough to do so authoritatively. BTW there is more than one cult with that name. And yes there are a bunch of other cults in the lot/festie milieu some of which are Jesus-people type groups some of which derive from Eastern religions, there were even the Spinners, who were a cult that basically religiously venerated the Dead (to whom each concert was sort of like sacred liturgy or even active divine revelation.) There was even an offshoot who considered Jerry to be Christ and Bobby the Devil!

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That would be a hard no. 12 tribes is a weird cult that was active in the dead milieu (with a strange and somewhat hairy relationship to drugs that I actually don't even fully know), the name is just a biblical reference and the number of 12 suspects can only be a coincidence. The twelve would be the NorCal "family" which as I was mentioning above is a way overused term lol. In this setting "Grateful Dead Family" can mean either the tight-knight group that is at least somewhat connected to the band, or a loose drug-trafficking organization that operates on lot, sort of a psychedelic mafia. There is putatively some connection to the 60s era Brotherhood of Eternal Life but kinda maybe not really who the hell knows. Pickard of missile silo fame was not himself a deadhead although his product certainly was distributed in the majority via the avenues of Grateful Dead concerts (via Nick Sand at al.) I hung out with Krystal Cole, the stripper who was involved with him and that total psycho Gordon Todd Skinner (she is kind of a ditz, I wasn't that big a fan to be honest) but this was years after the bust (which was in 2000.) After the big bust, LSD manufacturing was disorganized for years, it took 'till circa 2007-2008 for stuff to really take off again in earnest although there was some distribution going on. Pickard started sometime in the 80s I think, while bear and co dominated in the 60s & stopped in the early 70s. Then during my heyday it was Pickard's L followed by various L of sometimes questionable provenance (in the early 00s was the first time since the 60s where we had to worry about psychedelic amphetamines, in this case DOB, in the historical case DOM (a/k/a "STP"), being substituted for LSD, but generally this stuff would look kind of suspect by being thicker than an ordinary blotter...if on blotter that is of course)

Yep. This was the time when I was working in the ED while also hanging out at a dive bar where the heads hung out (don't ask.)

LSD was nearly impossible to find, and practically every patient in the ED were taking random RCs sold as LSD. And most of that shit caused extreme vasoconstriction that required medical intervention. Great fuckin' fun, huh.

LSD isn't really that hard to synthesize though. It's not fucking bathtub meth but it's not impossible. Getting your hands on precursors is the problem, but a chem grad student should be able to do it.
 
LSD isn't really that hard to synthesize though. It's not fucking bathtub meth but it's not impossible. Getting your hands on precursors is the problem, but a chem grad student should be able to do it.
Yeah, that's what I mean. in cotnrast I was able to synth MDMA quite readily after someone showed me how and I read about it without pro lab equipment or even college. This is during the hive/rhodium days when precursors were also easy as fuck to come by. For that anyway. LSD, not so much. You need advanced equipment and to know your way around a lab. I would not even try even though I had equipment & confidence enough around the turn of the 00s to crank out MA, MDMA, methcat, shit like that without issue. Also was big into extracting DMT from plants, which is stupidly easy (the "straight-to-base" technique was innovative, though, it wasn't that well known going into the late 200x's, so the price of DMT used to be ridiculously high compared to how easy it was to make. Once precursors got tightened down on MDMA was not that easy to produce either but was pretty damn cheap. LSD on the other hand requires considerable outlay of capital and knowledge to get involved in...)
 
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Yeah, that's what I mean. in cotnrast I was able to synth MDMA quite readily after someone showed me how and I read about it without pro lab equipment or even college. This is during the hive/rhodium days when precursors were also easy as fuck to come by. For that anyway. LSD, not so much. You need advanced equipment and to know your way around a lab. I would not even try even though I had equipment & confidence enough around the turn of the 00s to crank out MA, MDMA, methcat, shit like that without issue. Also was big into extracting DMT from plants, which is stupidly easy (the "straight-to-base" technique was innovative, though, it wasn't that well known going into the late 200x's, so the price of DMT used to be ridiculously high compared to how easy it was to make. Once precursors got tightened down on MDMA was not that easy to produce either but was pretty damn cheap. LSD on the other hand requires considerable outlay of capital and knowledge to get involved in...)

Uncle Fester's book Practical LSD Manufacture is "only" 160 pages long(:_(

Just skimming through the book should scare off anyone thinking of trying this at home. It begins with the need to grow ergot fungus on rye, which requires that you know how to do that sort of thing without contaminating the growing medium. But if you knew how to do that, you would just say "fuck it" and grow magic mushrooms instead.
 
Uncle Fester's book Practical LSD Manufacture is "only" 160 pages long(:_(
It's not particularly practical, no. Culturing ergot is probably harder than extracting ET from pills (which are unscheduled, while ET itself is a List I DEA precursor, I think) which is what I would do although if I were in a position to do it I could probably manage to source raw ET; I'm sure the same Orientals who you go to for tadalafil and ketamine could do it, and if you get to know them and make them money they will generally accomadate you beyond what they list publicly, sometimes even for things that are controlled.

This, which is absolutely not a newsworthy event in terms of being any kind of surprise, but provides me an opportunity to sperg out about the subject at hand, happened recently: 26 people arrested at Dead and Company show at Nassau Coliseum

> Nassau County police arrested 26 people at a concert at the Nassau Coliseum on Tuesday and into Wednesday, and also had to take some people to a hospital.
@eternal dog mongler knows that this was probably a colorful scene...

>According to police, drug enforcement efforts were conducted during the Dead And Company concert at the Coliseum. Three people were taken to the hospital for evaluation and treatment. Police say they arrested 16 people for illegal use/sale of nitrous oxide.
Good to know people are kicking it old school in a legendary venue.

> All 26 people were arraigned in First District Court in Hempstead.
Always an interesting scene in court when they have to mop up after a big show. But honestly, given the volume of drug use and sales going on, it always surprises me how few people get indicted and arrested. They literally could just "hippie-profile" people and drag them off lot to make drug arrests. This is why it is actually relatively safe to do or sell drugs at shows or festivals. Strength in numbers. If anyone on lot is a potential drug arrest then your chances of being one are minimal unless you are an idiot. In the Burning Man culture, they are called "idiot tickets" (i think, something to that effect.) But Burning Man is gay and Dead lot is based.

> Sixteen people were arrested for illegal use or sale of nitrous oxide.
LOL Philly. (For the uninitiated, N2O for reasons is easier to obtain in PA than anywhere else in the area; you basically just need to pay a fee to get a license. Because of the first limb of this fact, the Philly-based 'Nitrous Mafia' holds down the trade at least out here and because of the second they are viciously territorial. These people for the most part are not Deadheads and are definitely not well-liked by many people in the scene. Nitrous is ridiculously well-liked, though, but it is a pestilence due to obnoxious behavior both on the part of the people who sell it, who are stone gangsters and not averse to violence, and of the users, who get compulsive (it is called "hippie crack" for a reason, there is a strong urge to redose after a few minutes, people will spend ridiculous amounts of money.) The hssst of the tanks is notorious at festivals. One might wonder how you smuggle a tank into a festival, if they are checking cars even perfunctorily. Well, the volume of stuff that goes in is huge. One of the traditional thing to do is in places that allow food vending disguise it as a tank of propane. The professionals also have their little ways, and won't have a problem cutting fences, bribing or intimidating staff, etc. At venues where it would be feasible it has even been known to be done to bury them in the earth.) There is a retarded amount of money in this hustle as the gas for all intents and purposes might be considered free on top of the fees and tank deposits, and it is sold at exorbitant amounts (and people will pay it. it gets ridiculous. $5, 3 for $20, sometimes even worse.) People sperg-rush the tanks so there will always be someone with the money in hand behind you, whereas with acid there will be a dozen people wandering around murmuring "doses, doses" and you'll be able to wait for someone else if somebody is trying to charge $10 a hit. Also the market is more vertically integrated--the commercial LSD market is, too, but not as badly, civilians still buy sheets and cut them up and sell them retail, whereas the Philly mob will beat your ass if you try to get in on their game. They have to because their hustle is just too good. Criminal penalties are minimal. The only tricky bit is getting the tank in and controlling the scene of very conspicuous and often unruly users. So they operate in quite disciplined crews with one running the tank, one taking money, others as lookouts and enforcers.

Honestly, fuck these people, but that doesn't mean I haven't sucked myself retarded off nitrous balloons many times. One time (actually it was following the story I told earlier, in an attempt to de-stress after almost getting in a violent confrontation with another crew) me and my boys just waved some fistfuls of bills at a kid and were like "keep 'em coming." I had no recollection but we spent several hundreds of dollars between ourselves and apparently had a tank of our own going.

So really, true and honest? The only reason I say "fuck these people" is because they act like utter shitheels but the story that I'm referring to is about LSD dealers acting like shitheels, so that's what's called a case of in-group bias. The Philly mob is actually really skilled at what they do and the reason they get to charge high prices is that other people are not, that and they know how to protect their business against people who try to get into that game on an amateur basis. Still shitheels though, every acid dealer at least makes a pretense of liking the music, and almost always actually in fact does. One who doesn't is tantamount to blasphemy.

> In addition, police say they arrested and charged the following 10 people for felonies:
Here's our boys...I'm redacting their names because they don't need to be doxed on Kiwi Farms in addition to on Patch:

> CM, 40, of Cobleskill, was charged with fourth-degree criminal possession of a controlled substance for allegedly being in possession of multiple ecstasy pills.
> DB 45, of Englewood, New Jersey, was charged with third-degree criminal possession of a controlled substance for allegedly selling psilocybin mushrooms.

4th degree CDS = personal use amounts, 3rd degree CDS = low tier retail amounts. These dudes are approximately the age of a few of us posting here I suspect. They very likely have jobs and families and are functioning members of society (likely pot smokers though) who let their freak flag fly for a weekend. Even DB, 45, selling shrooms. It's very possible that he cultured them himself, and that he has a decent job, and is not a professional dealer, but was selling them kind of to supplement his income and kind of almost as an offering to the fact that the Dead are touring. Yes, people think this way. Unfortunately the consequences can be nasty. There are more of us than people think, often hiding amongst normalfags. It's funny how I used to run into, say, a colleague at work (@eternal dog mongler and I are apparently both medfags!) who would have a 13-point lightning bolt pin on his ID, and we would talk about the Dead. Out of professional courtesy we wouldn't mention the fact that we were both probably involved in the subculture at least in the past (a lot of old heads have mellowed; I have, although I have to smile at the idea of being considered anything close to an "old head.") Not necessarily the supply side but we definitely both would've know what was up. No Deadhead, not even Ann (although maybe because work), is going to judge another for choosing to indulge. even if we don't anymore for personal or professional or whatever reasons. HOWEVER, they managed to get themselves arrested in a context where a MAJORITY of the people there are probably at least possible to be charged with constructive possession of marijuana. So in all likelihood they did something stupid. It's possible they were among those that got transported to the ER. It would really suck to buy bad E pills, go to the hospital, and then get charged for possession.

> TH, 54 of Maspeth, was charged with second-degree criminal possession of a controlled substance for allegedly being in possession of LSD.
This guy very likely got fucked and I feel sorriest for him although it's possible, even probable, that he was being stupid as well. It's also possible that he got given something other than LSD and had to be hospitalized. He would still be charged with LSD. He could beat the charges later on probably, even though there are charges they could stick him with (counterfeit CDS, theoretically, the Analogue (not Analog) Act federally or if there is a state equivalent in PA, I'm not sure, there isn't everywhere, there probably is, but even the feds don't use it because it's probably "void for vagueness" legally speaking and has been taken to task by a judge at least once in a reasonably big case. The feds would basically only use it to go after someone who was blatantly producing stuff for massive sale and on top of that there were people hurt.)

And don't be mistaken, this is a serious charge. He is at least nominally facing some time although he wouldn't probably actually have to do any inside after all is said and done. If you're dealing you kind of take the risk but a Dead show is supposed to be a safespace if you just want to possess some stuff (OK, at least take, removing it from the premises is slightly riskier if you're gonna get pulled over or something. Some people feel like the drug dealing at shows brought (past tense because the scene is not the same) bad elements in who were only there to score drugs, and that is true, but given this guy's age he was probably an old school head who wanted to relive his youth in the glorious 80s. The charge is CDS two, which usually indicates fairly large distribution level amounts, only because it is LSD, and because the charge tiers in the law are calibrated to amounts of LSD that one might possess, rather than weights of blotter paper. This might seem insane but has actually been confirmed (in a case involving a deadhead) by no less an authority than the Supreme Court.

A sheet, by which I mean the paper, might weigh a couple grams, a vial of liquid I don't even want to think about. A gram of crystal LSD is 10,000 typical "hits" in contemporary style dosing (4,000 in 60s style dosing.) A gram is typically used to "lay" 10 tenpacks or 100 sheets or sometimes 10 "pages" or 90 sheets (that is nine pages of 3x3 sheets, which are either "unperforated", more common these days, which is just blotter or watercolor paper--"Blotter" paper is actually a term of art for a type of paper used in printing--or "perforated," divided into 10x10 squares. the usual size of a sheet is 2.5 inches square. Veterans can tear them off by hand by using a dollar bill as a ruler. Sheets that are unusually large or unusually thick have an unfortunate tendency to carry chemicals other than LSD. The paper has a history of being an art form in and of itself with beautiful patterns printed on. These days a lot of it is made without art, which for obvious reasons is more discrete. You can buy perforated and unperforated art paper with art online with a credit card although I wouldn't do that, at least not the latter part. I'm sure the guys who sell it would do cash-by-mail though I'd still be too paranoid to deal with them unless I knew them personally.) As for Liquid LSD, the usual method of distribution is in "Sweet Breath" mint droppers. They deliver a uniform 33 gtt ('drop rate') per milliliter, which means a tenpack is mg of LSD or a gram goes 3mg into a mL. Liquid is also sold in much stronger concentrations for use in laying sheets, depending on which method you use; the traditional method it will vary depending on how much you are doing and the quick and dirty method is usually 100mg/mL or one insulin syringe. The traditional method of laying sheets is to soak them in this solution, but it can be done in a quick and dirty manner using a syringe and saturating the thing after putting it on top of a piece of glass by squirting the liquid uniformly around the surface paper. This has to be done carefully or results in "hot spots" but the traditional method can only be done in larger amounts. The glass is necessary for the solution to properly soak in. When I first tried to do this I was such a newfag that I literally did not know to do this and wasted some acid and had a weak trip that weekend too. Fortunately I was only putting a few hits on paper for my head, not a whole sheet or to sell, otherwise I would've probably had an entirely different trajectory in the scene if I had developed a reputation, even inadvertently, for scamming people. (In fact, the first time I sold a strip (10 hits) to someone--I wasn't even old enough to buy my own cigarettes--his words to me were "if this is bunk I will throw you in yonder river.") This should be illustrative that you need to know what you are doing before doing it, but on the other hand the fastest way up is to fake it till you make it. If you want to rise fast basically your job is the same as that of an undercover cop: to pretend that you belong. If you want to rise the right way you have to basically attach yourself to people and be willing to humble yourself.

> JB, 22, of Uniondale, Christopher Slade, 40, a homeless man, and Jason Jarmacz, 37, also homeless, were all charged with second-degree criminal sale of a controlled substance for allegedly being in the possession of and selling LSD.

The last three were no doubt the most interesting people. If anyone here was hooked into the more interesting elements of the scene, the ones I've been talking about here and get into real detail in in the stuff I'm writing outside of here, it's them. "Homeless" here does not mean "homeless street person" as one might think, probably, but rather "permanent tour gypsy who couch surfs."

> TD, 47, and JC, 49, of Batavia, Illinois, were charged with second-degree criminal possession of a controlled substance for allegedly being in possession of multiple Diazepam pills.
Dunno. CDS2 should be quite a few Valium if the laws are sane but as observed with LSD, they aren't always. People do sell "pharmies" on lot. But often it is often kind of junkie type younger people. On the other hand, those people grow up. Also, could be that they just had a bunch and were unfortunate to come into contact with police. There isn't mention of selling, though by reading this I'm guessing NJ lacks a "possession with intent" charge that many states have, because otherwise it would've been used in the cases mentioned above. Degrees of CDS charges are usually by amount, PWI charges either by amount or by "indicia of dealing" (scales, etc.) where applicable but aren't applicable either. Alternatively, the way the statute is written could just be retarded, and any amount could trigger a heavy charge.

> JM, 41 of Pompton Plains, New Jersey, and MB, 39, of Livingston, New Jersey, were both charged with second-degree criminal possession of a controlled substance for allegedly being in possession of psilocybin mushrooms.

Again 2nd deg CDS would again indicate possession of a considerable amount. These dudes were drug dealers but were caught with their stash and not actively soliciting for sale. Very likely the shroom guys were local Deadheads and quite possibly culturers. I ran into a lot of people who did that. Alternatively they could be just buying and re-selling. This is a profitable endeavour. Boomer (not a generation, the hippie term for shrooms) culturing is growing money on rice cakes (heh), and even reselling them is a decent hustle. $200 is fairly expensive for an oz but you can sell it in eights to turn a profit of 50-100%, easy. Once more all these prices are not contemporary and have possibly been subject to inflation. I'm not going to speculate on what acid costs these days because it would probably just upset me. As an interesting aside, if you are charging polite prices for LSD your profit margins are actually possibly about the same or less unless you invest more money, and your criminal risks are much greater as we observe with our friend above. There is an urban myth though that the criminal penalties for mushrooms are equal to the criminal penalties for weed (actually, this was an urban myth when there used to be much more serious criminal penalties for weed, so I don't know if people still say this) but as you see here this is definitely not true.

A note added later: if it matters I don't even do drugs anymore. I got off Suboxone after quite an extended run, and I go to AA. If I'm being honest I've smoked weed since and enjoyed it but not as a lifestyle although I'm sure if I did it with any regularity I would go back to it like the dog to it's vomit. Drugs are fucking terrible and drug culture is mostly cancer, but it's fucking fascinating and talking about it makes me feel like Bradley Manning to the patchwork-pants army.
 
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One of my favorite Reddit posts of all time concerns how to trip on Benadryl, and what it will do to you:


The tl;dr is that you'll be in agony, terrified of everything around you, experiencing godawful hallucinations and your penis will shrink down to nothing for days afterwards. It's some hilarious shit.
 
Gettin spun on spiders





"It was in college. I was drinking with 3 of my good friends and my girlfriend at the time, and smoking some weed. My ex-girlfriend wanted to get away to have sex in the woods; needless to say it was very easy to convince me. As I lay in was mounting her in the dark woods outside of my friends mountain home, I put my hand in a spiders web that seemed extremely tough and springy. I didn’t think anything at the time because I was focused on the job at hand, until I felt something crawl onto my hand. I reached to swipe it off, crushing the Black Widow Spider, but I felt a stinging in my hand. I tried to continue having sex, but my hand was hurting so bad and I had to stop.

When I stood up I was very dizzy and disoriented. My ex-girlfriend and I started making our way back to the house which was about 150 yards away (we didn’t go very far into the woods) and about halfway there my legs gave out. My ex-girlfriend gave me some support and we got back to the house. It was kind of late and everyone was really drunk. I looked at my hand and it was swollen where the bite was and there were red marks around it. I was starting to feel really strange, and I knew that it wasn’t just the alcohol. I remember my ex-girlfriend wanting someone to take me to the hospital, an argument ensuing over why we shouldn’t drink and drive, and where the nearest hospital was. My best friend was on my ex-girlfriend's side and he said he didn’t give a fuck and he would drive me to the hospital, which was about an hour away. I had being lying on the couch for a while, not sure how long, and I tried to stand up, and fell straight down. I thought it was hilarious, but inside I knew something was very wrong. My ex-girlfriend and my friend carried me to his truck and put me in the back seat.

This is when the blackouts and hallucinations began. The spider poison gave me a trip like I had never had before, and I have tripped on everything but mescaline, including DXM. In the back of the truck I was looking out the window as my ex-girlfriend cried and my friend got on the CB radio, not giving a damn about anything. There were parts of the trip where it felt like I was in a bubble, parts where I watched the trees grow really really tall and then shrink back to normal, and saying a bunch of random shit I don’t remember. I know that about 30 minutes in, my friends couldn’t even understand what I was saying because my speech was slurred so bad. We made it to the ER room where the nurse was waiting with a wheelchair, and they checked me in. They asked me how bad it hurt on a scale of one to ten, and even with the beer and weed numbing the pain, I said it was an 11. The doctor who treated me at 3 AM was drunker and nearly as fucked up as I was. He slurred his speech really bad and all I could do was laugh in his face. (I asked my friends what he was saying and they don’t know to this day, we just do impressions of him, I think they laughed in his face because I was laughing) He ended up giving me some shot, keeping me for 30 minutes, and releasing me with 20 10mg oxycontins (score!). on the way back, my ex-girlfriend and I finished our business in the back of my friends car, against his wishes."
 

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"It was in college. I was drinking with 3 of my good friends and my girlfriend at the time, and smoking some weed. My ex-girlfriend wanted to get away to have sex in the woods; needless to say it was very easy to convince me. As I lay in was mounting her in the dark woods outside of my friends mountain home, I put my hand in a spiders web that seemed extremely tough and springy. I didn’t think anything at the time because I was focused on the job at hand, until I felt something crawl onto my hand. I reached to swipe it off, crushing the Black Widow Spider, but I felt a stinging in my hand. I tried to continue having sex, but my hand was hurting so bad and I had to stop.

When I stood up I was very dizzy and disoriented. My ex-girlfriend and I started making our way back to the house which was about 150 yards away (we didn’t go very far into the woods) and about halfway there my legs gave out. My ex-girlfriend gave me some support and we got back to the house. It was kind of late and everyone was really drunk. I looked at my hand and it was swollen where the bite was and there were red marks around it. I was starting to feel really strange, and I knew that it wasn’t just the alcohol. I remember my ex-girlfriend wanting someone to take me to the hospital, an argument ensuing over why we shouldn’t drink and drive, and where the nearest hospital was. My best friend was on my ex-girlfriend's side and he said he didn’t give a fuck and he would drive me to the hospital, which was about an hour away. I had being lying on the couch for a while, not sure how long, and I tried to stand up, and fell straight down. I thought it was hilarious, but inside I knew something was very wrong. My ex-girlfriend and my friend carried me to his truck and put me in the back seat.

This is when the blackouts and hallucinations began. The spider poison gave me a trip like I had never had before, and I have tripped on everything but mescaline, including DXM. In the back of the truck I was looking out the window as my ex-girlfriend cried and my friend got on the CB radio, not giving a damn about anything. There were parts of the trip where it felt like I was in a bubble, parts where I watched the trees grow really really tall and then shrink back to normal, and saying a bunch of random shit I don’t remember. I know that about 30 minutes in, my friends couldn’t even understand what I was saying because my speech was slurred so bad. We made it to the ER room where the nurse was waiting with a wheelchair, and they checked me in. They asked me how bad it hurt on a scale of one to ten, and even with the beer and weed numbing the pain, I said it was an 11. The doctor who treated me at 3 AM was drunker and nearly as fucked up as I was. He slurred his speech really bad and all I could do was laugh in his face. (I asked my friends what he was saying and they don’t know to this day, we just do impressions of him, I think they laughed in his face because I was laughing) He ended up giving me some shot, keeping me for 30 minutes, and releasing me with 20 10mg oxycontins (score!). on the way back, my ex-girlfriend and I finished our business in the back of my friends car, against his wishes."





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This gritty Spiderman reboot is sounding pretty good.
 
One of my favorite Reddit posts of all time concerns how to trip on Benadryl, and what it will do to you:


The tl;dr is that you'll be in agony, terrified of everything around you, experiencing godawful hallucinations and your penis will shrink down to nothing for days afterwards. It's some hilarious shit.

Deliriants are some fun shit. You can't really separate your hallucinations from reality. And that's why they call them deliriants. And also you wind up in the ED fighting spider people and it's just the nurse.
 
I have another long post coming, but for now, observe how utterly shit Bluelight has become. alasdairm, old-hand senior mod/admin went on a personal crusade a number of years ago to ban the words "faggot" and "nigger", under the grounds that this would help faggots and niggers seek better "harm reduction" (the semi-serious, semi-fraudulent excuse for the forum's existence) if they were not called disparaging terms. OK, it's almost something I could buy if bluelight were meant to be a street agency of sorts, but it isn't; remember alasdair was talking about the Lounge, the social forum of the site, at this time. Predictably this lead to a complete shitstorm where the Lounge was shut down, replaced with something called Social which was fucked from the beginning because it was run by people with very different ideas of how it had ought to have existed due to having various ideas about the original Lounge.

Now, as you always do when you give SJWs an inch, they'll take an ell: now look at the current milquetoast nonsense that gets shat up all over the place:

The label of "mong" on forums is degrading to the exceptional, "so they fix it" and then cheer each other on[/url].

People sperg out about troons for thirty pages. As one expects from a thread dating to two years behind Current Year, the discussion gets more shrill over time. Note (by join dates, which are super important in bluelight's culture as a board) that almost all the people in this conversation are respected old school posters and friends. But troonery is catching them out and making them start to freak on one another[/url].

More dumb troon shit with oldschool members making way for the girldick

There's much worse there, but I found especially the first to be symptomatic: really engaging moderation having serious discussions about whether the term "mong" is appropriate. Thank God that the forum's userbase is substantially less autistic than ResetERA/NeoGaf apprently is judging by their thread, otherwise we'd be up to hear in drug soaked shrill identity-politics exceptionalism.

MONG LIFE/TROON LIFE said:

Note that ">tfw 2018 join date" is absolutely balls out insane and the other is substantially more based than "le 2001 join date with Alan in Australia", who was at least cool as fuck for some time but then got totally deranged, and 2013 join date is just trying to get on with his business while backing slowly towards the door for fear of mongs and troons. Most of what Bluelight knew about trannies it learned from GoddessLSDXTC, a fugly troon hooker but who was at the very least had the decency to be totally unpretentious.
 
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Did anybody post the skin melting meth story yet that one is probably my favorite.

> Shit about meth

blah blah blah

> We used a lot of mineral oil for massage during sex, or before sex, or after sex...

DEAR GOD WHY
There is too much heady mama sexuality type shit on Erowid. Or maybe it's a fag or a methcoomer type. I don't even know. I nope'd out after that.
 
So would you rather hear later about robbing people, drama with LSD dealers, or why Ross Ulbricht was a fag?
 
I don't fuck with meth so uh, could some explain whether this is something that physically happens to meth users or like is this all just her losing her mind to meth.

Like woah lady.

It's probably just meth psychosis (which is mostly brought on by lack of sleep, not the meth itself) but I also have no idea what happens to the human body when you spend all of your time massaging your skin in a sauna for a month straight?
 
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