Questions for the female autists here - Sneed

Male autistic here, been in the medical system as long as I can remember, I'm quite interested in the responses from the other side of the coin. I guess, from my perspective, I would ask how difficult was it making friends early on? People always ended up leaving until I got into high school. Did any of you have similar experiences?
It was insanely hard, all through school. Grew up in the 00s, so my hyperfixations and special interests (anime, certain games, etc) were still considered pretty "weird" by normie standards. I tried hard to like stuff most of my classmates did, but never could grasp the interest. Ended up graduating with like, 2 friends and a few other acquaintances--all of whom were also on the spectrum.
 
It was insanely hard, all through school. Grew up in the 00s, so my hyperfixations and special interests (anime, certain games, etc) were still considered pretty "weird" by normie standards. I tried hard to like stuff most of my classmates did, but never could grasp the interest. Ended up graduating with like, 2 friends and a few other acquaintances--all of whom were also on the spectrum.
Out of my high school friends, I actively keep in contact with one. Many moved, but I haven't gotten so much as a phone call from the rest of them. The friends I have now I met later, work mostly.

I understand trying to "get" the current thing, I've learned to loosen up over the years, but in school I was incredibly stiff. It seems loneliness is a shared trait.
 
This part is 100% true. Masking is logically incoherent bullshit and mostly just an excuse for women who are nominally autistic to explain their normality while still claiming their super special status.
i agree that the idea that you can 100% cover up your neurodivergence is bullshit, that's just being normal and having a normal learning curve for interpersonal relationships. to me masking means succeeding to fit in such that the degree to which your brain works different isn't apparent to people you only meet fleetingly.

Most women diagnosed in adulthood - with the exception of individuals who have never been functional - are nonsense diagnoses for political reasons, to falsely make the ratio of men and women diagnosed more even.
i don't agree with this. for women in the cohort before it was known that autism could occur in females, and who are able to function to some degree without support, diagnosis won't have happened until much later.

are you claiming that the testing criteria and thresholds are fudged so that more women are diagnosed? i can believe that but could also believe that women who want the diagnosis just lie on their answers, which is why at least for my diagnosis my parents were asked the exact same questions.

i don't see what the political motivation for fudging the figures would be, iirc autism is 80% genetic, and we completely accept differences in incidence of diseases with genetic components for men and women. i think women are more likely overrepresented cos like you say they prefer the autism diagnosis to BPD or something else with more stigma attached to it.

It was insanely hard, all through school.
same here. i was bullied for being weird and apparently a swot, which i wasn't. i only really started making friends in my postgrad, where i was doing something specialist and obscure enough that pretty much everyone on it was autistic too. i have one friend from my teenage years cos we bonded over something else very specialist and obscure that we remain super nerdy about.
 
And be glad you don't have the non functioning kind where you're forever a child and need care/supervision until you die.
This is unfortunately the best kind of non functioning.

I'd take this in a heart beat over a non-verbal and extremely violent adult size autist. They don't need care or supervision, they basically NEED to be restrained and or drugged up.
 
Reading some of the things in this thread makes me think I really have autism 🤔
Still not gonna get tested, I have a gigantic mistrust towards doctors and big pharma.

- I learned to read at a very early age, around 2 years old. My father liked to read comics and I would crawl on his lap and not only look at the pictures but ask what those squiggly symbols mean, so he'd say "This is an A", "This is a K", etc. At some point I knew all the letter sounds and blurted out the word written on a road sign while I was in the car with my parents. They were surprised I managed to read an entire word like that.

- While I had no problems developing speech, I always found conversation rules weird. My mother would remind me to say "hello" and "thank you" and "goodbye" all the time because I would often forget. I have a hard time performing small talk and casual conversation to this day, especially with strangers. It has gotten a lot better in my 30s but I still feel weird when I have to approach strangers for something. I will spend 10 minutes looking for an item in a store before I ask one of the employees where to find it, just to avoid having to go through the awkward stranger talk.

- As a kid I had weird habits that lasted into my late teens, but thankfully I managed to shake them off by my 20s. When I walked on tiled sidewalks I always had to step on the tiles and avoid stepping on the cracks. When the surface changed, I had to first touch the new surface with my right foot, not the left. So when tiled sidewalk changed to paved road, I always made super small or super wide steps depending on how much surface was left before the change. I had to walk on the surfaces the right way or I would feel extremely uncomfortable. Same with stairs: I take the first stair with my right foot, the last stair with me left. It has to be an even number of steps, otherwise it feels wrong. If the stairs had an uneven number of steps, I would skip the last one. I'm happy I no longer feel compelled to do these things because they were a real pain in the ass.

- I never liked wearing socks, which also seems to be an autism thing? I have no problem with shoes, but socks are weird because of how closely they cling to the skin. They don't have the weight of shoes but still take away your ability to sense the surface beneath your feet. It's weird. I completely stopped wearing them about a decade ago, even in my boots. I don't mind the way shoes feel, but socks just feel restrictive, like they're caging up my sense of touch.

- Connected to that, I really like exploring surfaces by sense of touch. I love walking over different types of floors barefoot and feel the texture under my feet. When I visit friends and they have cool carpets I just walk over the carpet a couple of times to feel its texture, which usually results in some questioning looks until I say "I love how your carpet feels!" I also like running my fingers across surfaces to get a feel for their texture. Walls, railings, and so on. A friend of mine used to have a phone case with a really cool texture and I kept running my fingers over it. He found it really weird, at one point he even asked me if that was an attempt to flirt with him lmao. But no, I just really liked the texture of his phone case. In hindsight, I realize that was a really weird thing to do. But I can't help it, I just love to touch things with cool textures.

- When I get into something, I get hyper-obsessed about it and want to explore its history and stuff everything into a category. That might be one reason why I'm so drawn to heavy metal, apart from liking the music: there are so many subgenres it becomes a joy to categorize all of them! When I find a new band I like, my mind immediately goes into categorization mode. So it's black metal, but what kind of black metal? Does it sound more like Norwegian, French, Slavic styles? What are its influences, what can I compare it to? My brain goes into this comparison / categorization / compartmentalization mode automatically, whether I'm listening to music, playing a video game, or reading a book. I just love putting things into neat little boxes, or even making up new boxes if I can't fit it anywhere.

- Talking to me about my hobbies can get very autistic very quickly. When I first met some of my gamer friends and we started talking about RPGs I think I overwhelmed them with my talk about influences and origins. "Oh you like Fallout 4? Did you know that there are actually four separate Fallout canons, and the original Fallout was inspired by Wasteland, which was a post-apocalyptic variation of the Bard's Tale formula, and its systems were inspired by an espionage-themed pen and paper game..." And at some point I was enthusing about how cool Gamma World was, and they mostly just nodded. I tend to go way too in-depth about topics I care about, and only notice days later that it might have been a little too much. Friends who know me tend to catch it and guide me back to a more casual-approachable line of conversation. I'm always very happy when I meet someone who's equally deep into a topic as I am.

Despite all that, I never thought about myself as having any sort of "condition". I was always the quirky goth/metal chick who's a little withdrawn but really passionate about her nerd shit. That's a socially accepted archetype, especially for my generation (teenage years in the 00s). But when I think about it, a lot of the things I do would come across way creepier if a guy did them, like touching a friend's phone case all the time. You'd think he was some kind of creep, right? But for a woman it's an adorable quirk.

That might be a reason women get diagnosed less often. If we do a weird thing, it's cute and quirky, if a guy does it it's weird and creepy.
 
Still not gonna get tested, I have a gigantic mistrust towards doctors and big pharma.
Probably wise. If you think doctors never take a woman seriously, you should see how much less seriously they take a woman with a diagnosis.

I’m in kind of the same situation, where I’m pretty sure I have something, and what it is (though I’m my case it’s probably not autism), but getting the diagnosis wouldn’t help. Why attach a label that can only cause trouble, when there’s no medication and the therapy that does exist is for people much lower functioning? If you’re able to keep a household, a relationship, a job, and not commit crimes left and right, you’re probably not suffering enough from your disorder that an official diagnosis would help.
 
i don't agree with this. for women in the cohort before it was known that autism could occur in females, and who are able to function to some degree without support, diagnosis won't have happened until much later.

are you claiming that the testing criteria and thresholds are fudged so that more women are diagnosed? i can believe that but could also believe that women who want the diagnosis just lie on their answers, which is why at least for my diagnosis my parents were asked the exact same questions.

i don't see what the political motivation for fudging the figures would be, iirc autism is 80% genetic, and we completely accept differences in incidence of diseases with genetic components for men and women. i think women are more likely overrepresented cos like you say they prefer the autism diagnosis to BPD or something else with more stigma attached to it.

"Function to some degree without support" - I don't believe that people who can function without support need to be pathologised.

Yes, that's what I'm claiming, the criteria are getting milder and milder.

The motivation is from the people who don't believe that autism is a disease, just a different "neuro tribe". If that's the case, the fact that it is not equal between males and females presents a problem, because surely a tribe should be equally represented. Especially as these types are also often woke.

Also pathologising a truckload of basically normal adults gives the incorrect impression that outcomes have magically improved for autistic people, when what has really happened is the population has been diluted. These falsely improved outcomes can be used to justify insufficient funding for services and care.
 
Why is it harder for females to get diagnosed with autism?

What problems do women with it face that guys (usually) don't?

Did you actually mind having the tism or is it just 'what it is'?

What's your take on "self diagnosed autists"?

Do you feel bad for any of the cows with autism or do you just feel schadenfreude?
1. Because even if it's the same disorder as the men, we still have feminine traits - there's the whole stereotype about lack of creativity and a brain best suited for STEM, and the "extreme male brain" theory, which isn't necessarily true. I suck at maths, cannot for the life of me figure out how coding even works, but enjoy writing & reading fiction, and remember playing pretend a lot as a kid, so in my case that doesn't apply.

2. Peer pressure is at least 10x worse when you're female. You get bombarded with messages from media, society & your peers about what you need to do to be popular, and it doesn't stop after high school - this can go on well into adulthood. Be a dorky guy, it's whatever, dorky guys are everywhere, but being female and a dork, expect to find it much harder to make friends, especially female ones.

3. It's good to have an explanation for why you're the way you are, but at the same time, having a label placed on you like that comes with all these stereotypes and misconceptions. The "neurodiversity" movement doesn't help matters - they treat genuinely life ruining shit as something that needs to be normalised and accepted rather than a problem that needs solving. Too much social anxiety and hyper fixation on a fandom that causes you to spend every waking moment on the internet? Don't worry, you're stunning and brave and perfect just the way you are, you don't need a job, the government just needs to give you more money! Shit like that really grinds my gears and it's why I'm very careful who I discuss my condition with.

4. Nope, you might think you know yourself better than anybody else, but the point of getting an official diagnosis is to get an opinion from someone who might not know you personally but knows what to look for so they can be as objective as possible. And more often than not the self-dxers are just playing oppression Olympics. It's all well and good to have an inkling there's something going on in that brain of yours, but it's not just something you can figure out for yourself.

5. Not a lot of sympathy - I look at some of the people featured on here with their bizarre obsessions and it just disturbs me as to how someone can be like, well,  that. A lot of them are much lower functioning than they claim to be, so I can at least understand why they're the way they are, but I still don't think it's fair to, say, let a kiddy-diddler or other nasty sex offender walk free because they "didn't know any better". I guess it all really relates back to my own worries about standing out too much. Like I don't want to pretend to be someone I'm obviously not, but at the same time, I enjoy being left to do my thing while everyone else does theirs. The less attention, the better - this is why I could never cope with being famous.

EDIT: Also a lot of autistic cows are at that weird point on the spectrum where they're capable of reading, writing and using a computer but are unable to stop and think whether or not it's a good idea to post something on the internet and never consider the consequences. See: copious amounts of oversharing, insane takes on different controversial topics, ultra specific fetish art that appeals only to its creator and maybe a few fellow degenerates.
 
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What's the point of telling an unsuspected 25 yo they are autistic? Does that just mean mate your social skills are awful that's really weird
I don't think there's much point in getting diagnosed as an adult. What does it earn you other than internet asspats? By the time you're in your 30s you have lived in your brain well enough that you are going have coping mechanisms and stuff you've built over the last three decades. If anything, a diagnosis as an adult should only be "Ah, ok, that explains it. I think I can stop beating up on myself a little now." You don't need to make it your identity, you don't even need to tell people.

I know the munchies hate the idea of "mild autism" because they want to be coddled, but it's a good term for a real thing.

What is the female equivalent of Sonic hyper fixation?
As was said already, fanfiction, but I'll expand it more to fandoms in general. Fanfiction, fanart, zines, shipping wars, kinning, godspousing, etc.

Male autistic here, been in the medical system as long as I can remember, I'm quite interested in the responses from the other side of the coin. I guess, from my perspective, I would ask how difficult was it making friends early on? People always ended up leaving until I got into high school. Did any of you have similar experiences?
Very. I didn't have any real friends until middle school (and I'm still friends with middle school friends) and have made very few friends since then, and I've ruined some friendships even as an adult by doing dumbshit things that I didn't realize were dumbshit at the time.

@glioblastoma multiforme (because site is a bit broken at the moment)
i agree that the idea that you can 100% cover up your neurodivergence is bullshit, that's just being normal and having a normal learning curve for interpersonal relationships. to me masking means succeeding to fit in such that the degree to which your brain works different isn't apparent to people you only meet fleetingly.
It's what I was saying earlier about "I do great up until the very moment I don't."
I have learned well enough how to get by in life, and to hide my immediate reactions to things. Adult-me knows it's not appropriate to plug my ears when I hear loud noises like little-me did, so I keep earplugs in my purse. Is that masking, or am I just coping in a way where people are less obvious to know something is wrong with me?
 
@NoReturn damn, your list of female autistic interest is really me to a T. I think the Godspousing could have more to do with high neuroticism/bpd doe, if you look at the female saints who think Jesus is their literal bridegroom.

What do you think about the “neurodivergent “ thing? I think they added ADHD in it. I don’t think I’m autistic still… but I do need them concerta to function as a normal human being.

ETA: not interested in shipping fandom kinning etc after I reached 17, though graduated to Godspousing by being religious since then 🤔
 
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What do you think about the “neurodivergent “ thing? I think they added ADHD in it. I don’t think I’m autistic still… but I do need them concerta to function as a normal human being.
I think it's them just trying to make normal diversity within a species into something that can be pathologized and marketed to.
Everyone has some traits of "mental illness", everyone, it's just built into the species. It's when those traits/behaviors become blown up too big that it becomes an illness.

Take misophonia, for example. It's not a mental illness in itself, but it can cause people with it to be reactive in a way normal people would not be.
Everyone knows what it feels like to be annoyed by a noise, or the pain of hearing nails on a chalkboard. That's normal. Misophonia, however, is when a sound sets off your flight-or-flight. That's not normal.
Having a functional sympathetic nervous system is normal.
Disliking dangerous or unpleasant sounds is normal.
Having the latter trigger the former is not normal, and current research indicates it could be an myelin sheath difference in your nerves as well as an issue with the amygdala's ability to process incoming information; both of which would also explain why it's comorbid with other sensory issues. What causes that difference? We don't know. Could be genetic, could be environmental.

Similar for mental illness. By saying "autism is a spectrum" then anyone with autistic traits is on that spectrum, and that means anyone who has any traits in common with autism could go "Oh I must be autistic".

It's been said before, but I think the best dividing line we have as a species is whether or not a person's differences interfere with their ability to live normally and interact in a healthy and productive way with others.
 
Similar for mental illness. By saying "autism is a spectrum" then anyone with autistic traits is on that spectrum, and that means anyone who has any traits in common with autism could go "Oh I must be autistic".
Definitely this, sure all behaviours are on a spectrum, but if it’s not ducking more than one area of your life up it’s just normal in a clinical sense. It’s like the “aha Im so bipolar Im so psychotic aha heehee I’m so cwazyyy”

Me and most of my good friends are socially weird and have some stereotypically “autistic” traits and interests. But at the same time extremely good at reading social cues and understanding interpersonal relationships. It’s almost like a horseshoe thing, when you are too sensitive and aware of social cues it cripples you from acting normally and naturally. We can relate to many autistic stuffs but definitely don’t have the main thing for autism
 
Similar for mental illness. By saying "autism is a spectrum" then anyone with autistic traits is on that spectrum, and that means anyone who has any traits in common with autism could go "Oh I must be autistic".
that is what i suspect like 95% of female 'autists' (and a good chunk of males too) to be
>introvert?
>sometimes awkward around people?
>occasionally feeling anxious about social situations?
>must be autistic!

and its not just a thing in autism either, this trend to pathologize minor variations of completely normal behavior has been going on in other areas too (dont like paying attention in class? you must have ADHD, come get your adderall immediately!)
 
when you are too sensitive and aware of social cues
Not-Fun fact: This can happen to autistic people too, and to people like me, the issue is interpreting it. Someone with better social understanding can do the loop of "Don't do X because Y and therefore Z." but in my experience I can get stuck, like, from my point of view it seems semi-random why some things are acceptable and others are not, or I'll even know I've made someone uncomfortable and not know how to deal with it, or why that happened, or what to do about it.
To this day I struggle with black and white thinking, and in the moment if I make a mistake my kneejerk reaction is "Why the fuck wasn't that ok when it was ok in this other situation?" and I have to actually take a step back and consciously go through whatever just happened to see what the difference between the situations was.

Someone I really look up to once described it as, "You're just socially colorblind. It's like when someone who can't see the difference between colors can't tell if something is red or green. You know the color is there, but you aren't perceiving it correctly."
 
Why is it harder for females to get diagnosed with autism?
This is something I can't really answer because I was diagnosed so young, but that might be because I'm more masculine as a whole so it was easier to pick up on.

What problems do women with it face that guys (usually) don't?
This very much depends on the individual sperg. Autism doesn't really work like other disorders - they call it a "spectrum" which is a cutesy way of saying you are at the mercy of genetics and if you happen to end up as a tard who screams as a way of talking, needs to wear diapers and gets sexually aroused by Loud House characters then tough luck. That's your lot in life.

I suppose one thing I could talk about is my issues with fitting in with normal girls. See girls can be way more vicious than guys and if you do not fit in with the pack then they'll remind you about it as often as they can (for reference see the average female user on places like tumblr, tiktok or twitter).

Did you actually mind having the tism or is it just 'what it is'?
I do mind to an extent but not for the reasons one might think. I rarely tell people about the 'tism because people in the UK (especially those in education and health) often make the assumption I'm as dumb as a sack of potatoes and treat me accordingly. On the other hand being able to "control" my tism thanks to meds and finally use what talents I have without issues is marvelous and I wouldn't have it any other way.

What's your take on "self diagnosed autists"?
Fuck them. Very few of them actually know what they're talking about and just copy whatever common symptoms they read about such as stimming. It's actually embarrassing to be lumped in with these special snowflakes who use it as an excuse for their spoiled, shitty attitudes.

Do you feel bad for any of the cows with autism or do you just feel schadenfreude?
No I don't. See my parents had the smarts to use a siteblocker back in the day and this included a lot of the sites that would've planted the seed of degeneracy in my fragile little baby mind because they knew how dangerous the internet could be. Nine times out of ten the autists you see in these threads are the result of parents either not understanding how easy it is to influence an autistic child, not caring at all and/or having the mindset that because their child is a sperg they have no control over their actions and shouldn't be reprimanded or face some form of consequence.

TL;DR: I don't know, Autism is a genetic lottery and girls are bitches, being a sperg both sucks and is awesome, self diagnosing Autism is for fags and lolcows with the 'tism are funny.
 
"Function to some degree without support" - I don't believe that people who can function without support need to be pathologised.
you're right. its less to pathologise it, and i will say i made a poor choice of words in my previous post with "disease"- i was thinking of other highly heritable things such as haemophilia. but i don't think that autism in people who are functional is a disease. its just a different way of considering things and viewing the world.

what is really important is that it is recognised and protected. due to legislation in my country i am able to request accommodations that make it possible for me to perform in a job at a very high level. i need that support and understanding, i've tried multiple times prior to my diagnosis to be a 'normal' economically active person and it didn't work, it was disastrous.

now that i have a diagnosis and thus a legal right to make requests that enable me to do my job i'm fucking flying. i'm lucky that i have an employer that recognises my abilities and is willing to work with me to enable me to work, my previous job they weren't willing to help me at all and though i still produced decent work its nothing like the level i'm at now. i don't really care if my employer pathologises it, however they conceptualise it they've figured out how to get the best from me and that's awesome. i've also made them more willing to consider autistic candidates so that's really cool too.

i don't personally pathologise autism, now i understand it i love being autistic, i couldn't be doing the work i do now without it, so i'm really sorry that my stupid choice of wording made people think that i do.


@NoReturn I can't quote you in an edit but " some things are acceptable and others are not, or I'll even know I've made someone uncomfortable and not know how to deal with it, or why that happened, or what to do about it." is basically my life to a T. its fucking exhausting and demoralising. also people generally won't properly explain what you did wrong if they are scared of offending you, so you can't even figure it out. its so stressful. imy irl friends all knew i was autistic before i did, and thankfully will work with me, but new people are a fucking minefield.
 
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I feel like autistic girls who get diagnosed young tend to be under pretty ridged pressure to conform to social norms by the adults in their lives. I've said it before, but my take on why so many autistic girls are trooning out is it has a lot to do with wanting a way to enjoy their interests that go against boomer Karen norms without getting shat on.

It was like the second I hit 10 shit like pokemon, dinosaurs, toys, etc "wasn't appropriate for a girl your age". Thank fuck I ignored the crap and still enjoy those things today.
 
So, what do you do once you're diagnosed? I can understand getting a diagnosis for something like ADHD where medication can help, but it's my understanding that there is no such medication for autism, and all the treatment is stuff like behavioral therapy that requires mindfulness and discipline. Personally I would take an autism diagnosis as a last resort because it seems like it could be easy to chalk something up to the autism vs finding an actual fix. Maybe that explains why parents are resistant to the diagnosis.

Also the high amount of trooning out is something I'm interested in / horrified by. I imagine it's because dealing with the rules of femininity sucks if you don't give a shit about fashion and makeup, not to mention suffering through monthly periods. Now that groomers run the media, all these girls suddenly think they're trans. It's a bunch of bullshit and I hope the autism community pushes back on it.
 
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