r/polyamory

Troons found the perfect group of people to infect (and hopefully, in time, entirely replace). There aren't that many "communities" who deserve it, but these fuckers surely do. They're perfect for each other.

It's great. If you're a beginner polyamorist, not only do you have to jump through the usual bullshit hoops in order to somehow try to communicate the turmoil in your soul to a fellow polytard, but now you also have the tranny filter to further complicate things.

Why bother saying anything at all? The jannies own you, bitch. Just shut up and pour a drink or two. One for you and one for xer.
 
Open your third eye, friends. Come along if you dare. /u/QueerFireSorcerer is about to take you on a journey to the center of the mind.

Reader's note: this polytard is beyond long-winded. If you don't want to read the entire text of his posts, just pick out a few sentences at random. Every single word is insane.

Today, on /r/polyamory, he posts about breaking up with one of his chicks using an unbelievably elaborate ceremony. He and the woman break a bird's nest in half and bury it, blow out a symbolic candle, and do a bunch of other gay shit to achieve a "depthful" [sic] farewell.
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Last week my partner of 2.5 years, Joy, and I mutually broke up. It was so sorrowful, and so beautiful. It was done with huge amounts of love, care, tenderness, compassion and honesty.

Things had been pretty rough for the better part of a year. We tried different formats and ways of engaging, relationship counseling, untold hundreds of hours of conversation. At the end of the day, we had some core incompatibilities that were not surmountable. Love is not enough to create a sustainable and healthy partnership.

A few days before we split, which we both knew was coming, we got a really beautiful airbnb and spent two days and two nights together enjoying one another’s company and bodies. We were able to set aside our differences enough to connect deeply and soulfully.

It’s strange, making love to someone for what you know is the last time. Bittersweet.

We conducted a ceremony under a 500 year old cedar tree that we like to spend time with. Drank a bottle of sanctified wine on a blanket, cried and shared with one another the hopes we have for one another, and so much tenderness.

We both are hurting intensely, and also have nothing but the utmost desire for one another’s fulfillment and happiness. Having to maturely acknowledge that we are not capable of showing up for one another how we each need; in spite of the love we share was one of the most difficult but rewarding things I’ve ever done.

We dug a hole with our hands, broke a bird’s nest symbolizing our hopes of nesting together and laid it to rest. Symbolically broke in half a beautiful clay heart that joins together down the middle that we made together, and released one another and ourselves from all commitments and obligations we had made. Then together blew out a little egg shaped candle that symbolized our hopes for a child. Then buried them together.

We really did depthful honor to the power and sacredness of our connection. As much grief as I have, this was a healing experience in some ways.

I had never imagined a break up could be so sacred and honorable. I have deep gratitude to her and myself in this regard.

Just wanted to share. This is what it can look like. Remember to stick unwaveringly to your own truth. If you have to cut pieces of yourself off to make it work, it’s not working.

So sad. Just five months ago he was smearing LSD on her pussy and she was fingering his asshole!
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TLDR: You know that beautiful thing slugs do where they sort of merge into a two slug ouroboros and then extrude/entwine their opalescent souls? It was kind of like that. Incredible.

If her womb and cunt have the equivalent to a third eye, it felt like it was open and blazing like a portal into the brilliantly glowing heart of the infinite.

11/11 would recommend to a very close friend.

3 drops of liquid applied to the beautiful ring of vaginal muscle exposed when she spreads herself. Slight burning from the alcohol, but subsided rapidly. Lightly used my tongue on only her clit to encourage absorption into her mucus membranes, very light fingering, she then licked my finger clean. Onset of body high spreading out from her vulva within 45 mins or so, 2 additional drops sublingually after about 1 hour.

I took 3 sublingually with her initial vulva dose, and 2 additional when she redosed. We also each took a point of Molly as part of initial dosing.

I do not know precise microgram dosages of each drop.

There are so many variables and such tremendous amounts of experiential subjectivity involved, I’m not going to even attempt to tackle it. We’ve discussed the experience extensively, so what I’m presenting is an amalgamation of our impressions. I will lay out what happened for us, make of it what you will. <3 it’s a trip not a recipe. ———————————————————————-

LONG VERSION. Graphic. Absolute smut. If that’s not what you want to read, tread no further.

Myself, and my Mate are big ‘Ol sluts.

I shall refer to my Mate as Priestess, as she is a priestess of Aphrodite and Dionysus, amongst others.

We have, individually and together, done a broad variety of beautiful, drippyswelly, kinky things, with a large myriad of lovely folx of many genders, individually and in group settings. Collectively, we have been with somewhere around 130+ different lovers.

We study and practice elements of Tantra and Daoist sexuality. Have sacred and ceremonial sex for the purposes of sorcery and prayer, are skilled energy-workers, switches and well practiced in varying elements of BDSM, can literally orgasm on command for one another more or less endlessly. Etc.

I state the above, not to be a pretentious ass, but to contextually reinforce the following statement:

THIS WAS A COMPLETELY NEW TYPE OF SEXUAL EXPERIENCE FOR US BOTH.

It literally redefined and expanded our mutual understanding of what sex can be.

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This all takes place at night.

We took our initial doses, then set our intentions, and laid out/created an altar together for our journey during the come up. Did connective breathwork and intentional co-regulation to get our bodies more in tune.

Hiked out to one of our favorite big mama cedar trees, and built a small fire. Spent a couple hours snuggling, talking, not talking, sinking our fingertips into the vast interwoven root system of the cedar, smelling moss, listening to frogs, and generally chillin. Practiced echolocation moving through the dark and dense forest paths.

Eventually headed back to my yurt, trip was in full swing by this point. Visuals kicked in pretty solidly.

We snuggled skin to skin for an infinite while, sensual caresses, kisses, nuzzles, smelling, getting very deeply sunk into the tiniest sensations of our bodies, and all of our senses engaged. Light thwip-thwip-thwip flogging to get her skin more sensitive. She did some deep abdominal and pelvic cradle massage work on me, in addition to lower body meridian points.

Priestess made love to me with her skilled, powerful, long fingers. Sliding into me opening me up. Bringing me to, and keeping me in, a place of cascading, overlapping multi orgasmic splendor. Wild bursts of fractal beauty filling my vision and entire being. Eventually getting fisted, turned into a delicious puddle.

I returned the favor, plunging into her depths with my hands, delicate and intricate patterns of passion, love, pleasure, devotion drawn over her creamy, swollen cunt with my mouth and fingers. Absolutely worshipping at the dripping altar between her thighs. My entire hand engulfed in the power of her warmth, Gentle movements and contractions, so much intensity. Cascading, overflowing state of orgasm.

That was the warm up for what came next, which absolutely blew both of us away. I’m going to go ahead and call it soulmating.

As we lay together afterwards, legs entwined, the fronts of our bodies pressed together as closely as we could physically get, something wild occurred. It felt as though our bellies and hips, from about solar plexus down to upper thigh, had turned into a single unified liquid bubble. Neither of us could tell where our own body began, and the other’s ended. Then, within that bubble, we started having intense, energetic, synesthetic sex.

Imagine the bubble, then within that, an energetic extension of each of our souls, like a large tonguetentacle exists. We were each able to control our own, via abdominal muscle movement and energetic intention. Entwining, wrapping around one another, thrusting deeply into various parts of one another’s bodies and the merged space we had created. We experimented and played for approximately 110 million years. Even small movements of our soul extrusions resulted in INTENSELY pleasurable sensation, full body, cascading orgasms, much of the time in sync. It was like our nervous systems were directly and perfectly engaged with one another. We were able to powerfully sexually interact, without requiring any other major input than willpower and a bit of abdominal movement.

It’s very abstract to describe. Absolutely mind blowing experience, some of the most pleasurable, connective, potent sex either of us have ever had. Lasted for perhaps a couple of hours of linear time. Unclear. Different than anything either of us had ever experienced, to that point.

Eventually drifted into a rainbow nap around dawn, utterly exhausted and delighted.

Thanks for reading! I had a lot of comments requesting a trip report when I originally posted asking if anyone else had administered LSD vaginally.

The very best and most revealing post from this enlightened polyamorist is where he admits that it makes him physically sick with jealousy when his two female partners are out there fucking other men. This bro needs to give up the polyamory and just become a cult leader, this would allow him to build an even larger harem of women without having to pretend that he's OK with sharing them.
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Hello you fine Polyamorists! I (34nb) have two partners, Joy (39F) (together 1.5 years) and Fire (33nb) (together a little over a year).

TLDR: Looking for advice on how to process through the body and physiological sensations of jealousy. I’ve done an intense amount of emotional and intellectual labor both individually and with my partner. I do not know what else to do, the body sensations remain.

Partner started dating a couple she has been in relationship with previously. I have pulled out every trick in my poly toolbox, asked for help and advice from others. I intellectually know, that my partnership isn’t in any danger, and that Joy is acting in an extremely upright and supportive ways. That being said, It seems no matter how much I process, or what I do, I still have physical feelings in my upper belly of deep, painful and uncomfortable jealousy. Like, I intellectually know everything is fine, I’m not losing anything, I am profoundly loved, and yet I feel like I’ve been punched in the stomach consistently. It’s like…. Trying to integrate into my body what I know but that doesn’t seem to be moving.

Longer read below. ——————————————-

Joy has recently re-engaged dating with a married couple (Paul and Diane) that she has been on again, off again with, mostly on, for 7 years. They all took a break during the pandemic years due to, essentially, due to Diane breaking up with Joy, then vetoing Joy and Paul’s sexual relationship. The couple has recently reached out to Joy, having realized and discussed the mistakes and mistreatments they did, and according to Joy, she is being treated in the way she desires. They’ve all had a lot of conversations and things seem to be mending. There is deep love and mutual care between them all. The relationship is inherently very hierarchical in favor of Paul and Diane, and will only ever go partially up the relationship escalator. While I have suspicions and feel protective of Joy, she is a grown ass woman and will make the choices she feels are best for her.

I’ve been wildly struggling with visceral feelings of jealously, in a more intense way than I ever have before.

Fire has a sweetheart, Gem. I struggled quite a bit at first with their relationship, largely due to access wounds (Fire is long distance, and not having regular time with them while their lover does, was difficult.) but after a couple Months made peace within myself, and now generally feel supportive and often some level of compersion that Fire is able to get their needs met elsewhere. I met Gem, and they are a Gem. Absolutely love them. What a fantastic human being. I’m glad my mate has someone that excellent as a companion. We’ve become friends, which I don’t expect from a meta, but do enjoy when it shakes out that way.

Meanwhile, it’s been a couple months since Joy, Paul and Diane re-engaged. From the outset it has felt like I’ve been punched in the stomach, and that feeling has had very little abatement.

I’ve been doing SO MUCH emotional labor. Every day. I am determined to show up in an upright way, that honors my partner’s sovereignty. And not to behave in ways that are manipulative or destructive/let my feelings come out sideways. She isn’t doing anything wrong, but oh my fuck this is difficult and painful to me, and I am having so much trouble understanding the why.

Joy’s relationship with Paul and Diane is within the boundaries of our relationship agreements. She has been highly communicative, and very caring throughout the entire process of starting to date them again. She has been consistently patient, supportive, caring, compassionate, and gentle with me while I am working through my feelings; which is so deeply appreciated by me. My other mate Fire has also been deeply supportive and compassionate, to both of us throughout this.

Not that I do, but If I had the ability or option to end their relationship right now, I would not.

This seems to be a fulfilling dynamic for Joy, with people she loves and cares about. I don’t wish to control her or dictate with whom she shares herself. I just don’t want to feel this way. I want to get to neutral, with maybe even occasional compersion. On an intellectual level, I’m glad that she is finding fulfillment and connection with folx she feels safe and happy with.

I struggle with the physical sensations of this more than anything.

I also have been experiencing very visceral flashes of, especially, Paul and Joy having sex. Like, for most of this time, almost any time Joy and I engage sexually, I get flooded with images of them together. I touch her, into my mind unbidden come images of him touching her in that way. It’s horrible. To combat this, we’ve begun starting sexual encounters off with very intentional connection, breathing, drawing circle/wards around the bed energetically, stating and cultivating intention of being there with only one another specifically, trying to stay focused and present. It works fairly often, but is still an issue for me regularly.

I’ve had other partners in the past, Fire included and most recently, who I did not struggle nearly so much with their connections with others.

I met Paul and Diane last night, which is usually very helpful for me. I feel meh about them. Nice enough folx, but I don’t really understand the appeal, which is not super helpful in my process. I was polite, we had some good conversations. But I’m not super stoked on them. I’d have some conversions at a party or dinner but have no desire to say, spend a weekend camping or something.

I don’t need to particularly be over the moon about my metas, I don’t have an expectation around that. Joy finds fulfillment with them and that’s what fundamentally matters. It’s not my relationship.

I’m feeling stuck. I don’t know what else to do. I’ve done so much emotional and intellectual labor trying to integrate this and move past these feelings, and the physical sensations are still there and so damn strong.

At this point, I’ve resigned myself to the distinct possibility that it will just take time, and more consistent effort, and practice, to get to a place of mainly neutrality. That being said I have a poignant desire to speed the process.

I’m trying my best to not let my pain splash out onto Joy, but she cares about me deeply, and what I feel affects her. Even if I’m doing my best to be supportive, she knows I’m hurting, and that causes her pain, as her choices are what I’m struggling with. Which I then feel bad about. So like, there’s a cycle going on in which each of know we haven’t done anything wrong, but feel like we each are due to the pain the other is experiencing.

Any advice, rituals, techniques, ideas, hard truths, perspectives etc. that anyone has would be deeply appreciated. Trying to do the thing over here in an honorable and loving way.

Thanks for reading.
 
Today, on /r/polyamory, he posts about breaking up with one of his chicks using an unbelievably elaborate ceremony. He and the woman break a bird's nest in half and bury it, blow out a symbolic candle, and do a bunch of other gay shit to achieve a "depthful" [sic] farewell.
That's not how you do magic, that's how you get bird aids. 🧙‍♂️
 
Bad Sitcom Name
"Disabled queer polyamorous parents". As far as I know only the woman claims disability, I'm unsure about why. One husband works at Riot Games. The other one just passed his bar exam and is currently working a legal position at Disney.
I'm only sharing this information about the individuals because they're both successful in their careers, while they rail the same fat weird chick and play mario together on a cuck couch

Enjoy reading
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As Colonel Kurtz said, the horror... the horror....
 
Wife went to dinner with 2 female friends, 31-33 year old range.
- Both talked about trying to open their relationships with their long term partners.
- One is attempting to convince their partner with a FFM threesome so she can backdoor a MMF threesome into the relationship and open things up for good, the other is gently pushing her partner.
- Both have recently bought property with their partners, one yet to build and the other up to their eyeballs in debt.
- Both are considering having children, one is currently trying.
- Both have probably been reading non-stop nonsense about open relationships and polyamory as some cheat code to happiness.

Both started asking questions of my wife as to why she is not interested, both didnt understand that my wife loves me and has no interest in pursuing that 'lifestyle'. She was actually insulted that she was asked to defend herself.

Both are retarded.
 
Wife went to dinner with 2 female friends, 31-33 year old range.
- Both talked about trying to open their relationships with their long term partners.
- One is attempting to convince their partner with a FFM threesome so she can backdoor a MMF threesome into the relationship and open things up for good, the other is gently pushing her partner.
- Both have recently bought property with their partners, one yet to build and the other up to their eyeballs in debt.
- Both are considering having children, one is currently trying.
- Both have probably been reading non-stop nonsense about open relationships and polyamory as some cheat code to happiness.

Both started asking questions of my wife as to why she is not interested, both didnt understand that my wife loves me and has no interest in pursuing that 'lifestyle'. She was actually insulted that she was asked to defend herself.

Both are retarded.
She needs new friends. These are the same women she talks to when you guys having are problems. Remember that.
 
Wife went to dinner with 2 female friends, 31-33 year old range.
- Both talked about trying to open their relationships with their long term partners.
- One is attempting to convince their partner with a FFM threesome so she can backdoor a MMF threesome into the relationship and open things up for good, the other is gently pushing her partner.
- Both have recently bought property with their partners, one yet to build and the other up to their eyeballs in debt.
- Both are considering having children, one is currently trying.
- Both have probably been reading non-stop nonsense about open relationships and polyamory as some cheat code to happiness.

Both started asking questions of my wife as to why she is not interested, both didnt understand that my wife loves me and has no interest in pursuing that 'lifestyle'. She was actually insulted that she was asked to defend herself.

Both are retarded.
Please ask your wife to keep us updated on the downfall of her crazy friends.
 
Wife went to dinner with 2 female friends, 31-33 year old range.
- Both talked about trying to open their relationships with their long term partners.
- One is attempting to convince their partner with a FFM threesome so she can backdoor a MMF threesome into the relationship and open things up for good, the other is gently pushing her partner.
- Both have recently bought property with their partners, one yet to build and the other up to their eyeballs in debt.
- Both are considering having children, one is currently trying.
- Both have probably been reading non-stop nonsense about open relationships and polyamory as some cheat code to happiness.

Both started asking questions of my wife as to why she is not interested, both didnt understand that my wife loves me and has no interest in pursuing that 'lifestyle'. She was actually insulted that she was asked to defend herself.

Both are retarded.
Please tell me your wife has multiple friends, and not just these two
 
u/Salt-Detective8082's quite upset that her partner is cheating on her after she left her previous partner for him.
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I am trying to learn and explore why I am so unhappy about my NP starting to see someone new.

Background: We have both been poly for years(10+). We met about two years ago, and were secondaries. Life changed and we are now primaries, NPs.

I am currently looking at ways to adjust my perceptions about my NP seeing someone new. I have never experienced the strength of emotions I am feeling today (with my NP or anyone else previously).

It started with a sense of being shut out and a lack of communication. My dreams lately have been filled with my NP cheating. I thought it was only fear and I am working to address the base emotions there. I have learned that, while there hasn’t been cheating, my NP is not communicating and holding things back; which feels like lying. This has led to an erosion of trust and now my feelings are misplaced onto the person my NP is seeing. I don’t even want to engage in poly with my NP at this point and fear I will act in ways to further erode the stability of our relationship. Or to negatively impact his potential relationship because there is clearly a positive connection.

We have been communicating openly and honestly about our needs and boundaries today (this all came to a head in the last 24 hours). I recognized that not communicating openly, honestly, and timely is something I cannot engage in with a NP. I have expressed this to my NP and shared that if my NP prefers to hold back, we need to consider solo poly; it doesn’t fit with my needs and makes me feel like I cannot trust. In reality, the issue are not huge, they revolve around planning and sharing intensions, as well as me feeling like their (NP’s) needs are being pushed aside in an attempt to placate all parties.

Besides communicating with my NP, recognizing my emotions, where they are being projected, and working on exploring them are there other ways to address this before it eats away at me, and by extension the NP relationship I have?
Holy shit she has a family and is 43.
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I(F) have been with my NP(M) for 4.5 years and we got married not long ago. We have a blended family with teens at home (yes they know we are Poly). I have a partner who I have been seeing for less than a year; it still feels very much like we are in a NRE phase. My NP has a partner he has been seeing for a few months and a new relationship that is just starting. We are struggling with communication and fighting; it is to the point that fighting fairly is not done consistently and things are feeling vindictive and petty. We are in couples counseling. We both are feeling very defeated in our relationship.

Lately, I have been wanting to run - to find a different place and take my kids. However, that feels like a lot of upheaval (the goal is to keep in the same school so there is not disruption). Not to mention the finances for a move are difficult to come by alone.

I am wondering, are there any recommendations that can be made on the best way to handle continued conflicts? Questions we should ask ourselves as a poly couple that differs from traditional relationships? Advice? I don’t know what I am really seeking other than support, maybe someone to chat with, or general advice/experiences.

Thank you for reading my ramble.
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Hello all. I am looking for some advice on handling jealousy. Me (41F) and my partner (45M) have had an ENM relationship in some variation since we started our relationship about 4 years ago. We have our ups and downs as every pairing does, but overall we communicate well. I am finding myself overly jealousy of some of his plans with partners. I know this comes from fear of loosing him and him not being truthful. Those are present from prior relationships and not something I have experienced with him. However, I am finding myself increasingly jealous over his dates. I am working with a therapist, I use coping skills, and I do not place my feelings on him. I am looking for coping skills or ways that others have found helpful to combat this inner feeling that I desperately do not want to manifest negatively.
Note: I have my own experiences and partners outside of us. I also typically plan ahead to stay busy when he is out.

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Another troon's polycule.
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As a woman with lady friends in real life I can tell you that while many women are open with their friends about their sex life, this is a little different. I've been in situations before where they're telling you about their proclivities because they or their boyfriend want you to join their lifestyle too. Wife should drop these friends... especially if there's two at a time. Sounded planned.
 
Eh I dunno, guys. I'm a woman and I have a couple of polyamorists as friends. Neither of them were into this shit when I befriended them, and I am unabashedly honest with them that I think polyamory is dumb and never works. They tell me they think it's amazing and worth it and shit. They've asked me why I won't consider it and I've asked them why they're emotional masochists. In the end we agree to disagree and I patiently wait for them to wake up to reality. It's possible to have friendships across differences and if this lady has a good character and sense of herself she's not gonna suddenly think she needs another boyfriend because her friend is trying to do so.
 
The wife clearly has other friends, these two are some of the last of the unmarried and/or childless who are dangerously on the cusp of one or both of those. Neither of us thought they were this stupid which caught her offguard on the night.

One of the women has said she finds me attractive in the past. A throwaway comment that may not be so throwaway anymore. But eh, I'm not willing to self-destruct my life for some pussy and neither is my wife. Honestly, she may just have brought me some personal lolcows.

They are supremely confident that this will make them happy, that the men in their lives need to just agree to what they want and it will lead to happily ever after if the guy will just let them fuck other guys.
 
Wife went to dinner with 2 female friends, 31-33 year old range.
- Both talked about trying to open their relationships with their long term partners.
- One is attempting to convince their partner with a FFM threesome so she can backdoor a MMF threesome into the relationship and open things up for good, the other is gently pushing her partner.
- Both have recently bought property with their partners, one yet to build and the other up to their eyeballs in debt.
- Both are considering having children, one is currently trying.
- Both have probably been reading non-stop nonsense about open relationships and polyamory as some cheat code to happiness.

Both started asking questions of my wife as to why she is not interested, both didnt understand that my wife loves me and has no interest in pursuing that 'lifestyle'. She was actually insulted that she was asked to defend herself.

Both are retarded.

keep track of these developments, and keep us updated on how it goes
will their boyfriends play along with it like good little cucks, or will they break up over it?
will the open relationships work out as planned, or will some nasty surprise fuck shit up for them? (like, husband starts bringing home tranny hookers or something like that)
very fun kind of personal drama to be around (as long as nobody close to you is directly involved)
 
Both started asking questions of my wife as to why she is not interested
If your wife insists on engaging in friendship with these bucket crabs for whatever reason, be careful.

Edit: but then again, if she infiltrates the underground polyamory base/main dungeon, we would appreciate all the intel
 
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Holy shit she has a family and is 43.
Half of the time, just by taking a quick look at a polytard's post history, you get either juicy, deep family lore or countless rabbit holes of strange perversions.

It's often funnier than the main polyamory sperging. I remember one weirdo who liked looking at dick pictures of men who were in the process of trying to "restore" their foreskin. Reddit had a community for that.
 
Holy shit she has a family and is 43.
So two years ago she was married to (at least) her second husband, they had a "blended family" with all their teens living under the same roof. And she was burning up with jealousy when her husband was out dating and fucking other women. She starts seeing another guy, leaves her husband for him, and finds herself burning up with jealousy when her new boyfriend is out dating and fucking other women. What could POSSIBLY be the solution to this ongoing problem? Listening to more polyamory podcasts, probably.

Side note: I love how she kept her most recent post gender-neutral but it's immediately obvious that she is a woman.

Side note 2: She deleted her account.
 
Don't cocktease.
Going to try my best to keep my own boring personal BS out of this.

The short version is that I've dabbled in polyamory in the past. I also used to be part of a friend group where the majority of people were polyamorous and involved in open relationships. Some even had sexual history with each other.

One thing I've seen a *lot,* both in my own experiences and just from observing poly communities online etc, is the poly lifestyle has a huge problem with "rules but thee but not for me." There are a *lot* of poly people (not trying to be sexist here, but I've found it's mostly men) who want to be able to date and/or sleep with whoever they want, but expect their (primary) partner to never so much as look at another person.

There's also a lot of poly people who believe polyamory is inherently better than monogamy, or who will shame people for being monogamous. I've seen poly people say it's abusive or controlling to expect faithfulness from your partner or "restrict" them from other people. I've also seen a lot of discourse about how polyamory requires a lot of communication, so open relationships are automatically going to be healthier and more meaningful.

In a similar vein, I've seen (and also experienced, when I realized the poly lifestyle wasn't for me) a lot of poly people who will try to suggest that everyone is secretly a little bit poly, or that people who have decided it wasn't their thing "weren't doing it right."
 
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