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Romance scams work on anyone lonely and desperate for that sort of attention. It's fucking hilarious though that it worked on someone in a committed relationship. I agree that the poster is likely a guy. There are women out there who get suckered into taking on a moocher but she would probably come across as much more exasperated and would most definitely bring up something about taking care of the kid, plus the housework, plus bringing home the money. Women will always bring up whatever list of household work they do, in detail, as part of their grievances (I do the dishes, and the laundry, and scrub the toilets, AND...)

Imagine having a successful relationship that gets you a marriage and a child with the plus you don't have to work and play around with household chores but don't really do much...and still getting Discord (fake) daddied.
 
Anyone for a total clusterfuck?

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6 kids are involved in this...
 
This is one of those narratives where someone describes normal emotional reactions as unexpected and inexplicable. "I keep feeling this sense of resentment, even anger, toward the guy who is inseminating my girlfriend. Why could this be???"

I, on the other hand, seem to get angrier and angrier every time I see him. Almost violently angry. I want to chase this guy out of our home and never let him in again.
It's like there's a self-respecting man somewhere in him, fighting to get out.

"Understand that, if you do that, you're not talking about adding someone new to the family. You're talking about replacing me with him. I can't stay in a family that would hurt and disrespect me that way."
It's so peculiar to hear these things talked through this way. It's like coming into your house and finding a man in a ski mask climbing out the window with your TV, and your response is to explain to him that taking your TV is not only illegal, it is also unkind and unreasonable, and he really ought to put it back. Being willing to discuss things like this undermines your position before the other party.

Where is this from? Is there more?
 
Cuck finds out that he can apparently feel jealousy as it's a natural human emotion to feel when somebody is fucking your SO.

Color me surprised that they're only mentioned in passing in this whole story. They're not real members of the family since nobody is having sex with them, we hope.
I also hope nobody is having sex with the children.
 
I also hope nobody is having sex with the children.
Yeah, I thought that's where it was going. I thought that's what "Lori was hinting around that she needed to talk about something 'serious' but didn't know how to broach it," was leading up to.
The subreddit is called r/polyamory.
Oh, duh. I always think of this as an all-purpose polyamory thread; I'd forgotten it was particular to that subreddit.
 
Every day straying further from God and etc.

A pattern I'm also noticing with a lot of the people involved in this stuff is that they never communicate negative feelings until way, way, way into things coming to a head. They make a lot of assumptions about things. And then are surprised when things turn out the way they turn out. Why didn't Mr. Cucktastic just say from the outset that he doesn't like Mr. Impregnator only would tolerate the other couple within their couple having him around for sex and nothing else. What a clusterfuck. How is any of the charts and math involved in that a better option than just settling down with someone and calling it a day?

Those poor children. And if anyone separates that's going to be a confusing hell. Who has legal custody of who? What names are on the birth certificates?
 
I read this in one of those update subs and it was so difficult to follow. And as soon as there was a mention of kids that sealed it for me.

Yes, the post was about having a new kid, but that's just to cover the fact there was 5-6 pre-existing kids.
With every possible combination of mother and father except 1 (the proposed new one).

Selfish cunts, the lot of them.
 
Every day straying further from God and etc.

A pattern I'm also noticing with a lot of the people involved in this stuff is that they never communicate negative feelings until way, way, way into things coming to a head. They make a lot of assumptions about things. And then are surprised when things turn out the way they turn out. Why didn't Mr. Cucktastic just say from the outset that he doesn't like Mr. Impregnator only would tolerate the other couple within their couple having him around for sex and nothing else. What a clusterfuck. How is any of the charts and math involved in that a better option than just settling down with someone and calling it a day?

Those poor children. And if anyone separates that's going to be a confusing hell. Who has legal custody of who? What names are on the birth certificates?
Most cases they fell for a geek social fallacy.

Five Geek Social Fallacies
Within the constellation of allied hobbies and subcultures collectively known as geekdom, one finds many social groups bent under a crushing burden of dysfunction, social drama, and general interpersonal wack-ness. It is my opinion that many of these never-ending crises are sparked off by an assortment of pernicious social fallacies — ideas about human interaction which spur their holders to do terrible and stupid things to themselves and to each other.

Social fallacies are particularly insidious because they tend to be exaggerated versions of notions that are themselves entirely reasonable and unobjectionable. It’s difficult to debunk the pathological fallacy without seeming to argue against its reasonable form; therefore, once it establishes itself, a social fallacy is extremely difficult to dislodge. It’s my hope that drawing attention to some of them may be a step in the right direction.

I want to note that I’m not trying to say that every geek subscribes to every one of the fallacies I outline here; every individual subscribes to a different set of ideas, and adheres to any given idea with a different amount of zeal.

In any event, here are five geek social fallacies I’ve identified. There are likely more.

Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil

GSF1 is one of the most common fallacies, and one of the most deeply held. Many geeks have had horrible, humiliating, and formative experiences with ostracism, and the notion of being on the other side of the transaction is repugnant to them.

In its non-pathological form, GSF1 is benign, and even commendable: it is long past time we all grew up and stopped with the junior high popularity games. However, in its pathological form, GSF1 prevents its carrier from participating in — or tolerating — the exclusion of anyone from anything, be it a party, a comic book store, or a web forum, and no matter how obnoxious, offensive, or aromatic the prospective excludee may be.

As a result, nearly every geek social group of significant size has at least one member that 80% of the members hate, and the remaining 20% merely tolerate. If GSF1 exists in sufficient concentration — and it usually does — it is impossible to expel a person who actively detracts from every social event. GSF1 protocol permits you not to invite someone you don’t like to a given event, but if someone spills the beans and our hypothetical Cat Piss Man invites himself, there is no recourse. You must put up with him, or you will be an Evil Ostracizer and might as well go out for the football team.

This phenomenon has a number of unpleasant consequences. For one thing, it actively hinders the wider acceptance of geek-related activities: I don’t know that RPGs and comics would be more popular if there were fewer trolls who smell of cheese hassling the new blood, but I’m sure it couldn’t hurt. For another, when nothing smacking of social selectiveness can be discussed in public, people inevitably begin to organize activities in secret. These conspiracies often lead to more problems down the line, and the end result is as juvenile as anything a seventh-grader ever dreamed of.

Geek Social Fallacy #2: Friends Accept Me As I Am

The origins of GSF2 are closely allied to the origins of GSF1. After being victimized by social exclusion, many geeks experience their “tribe” as a non-judgmental haven where they can take refuge from the cruel world outside.

This seems straightforward and reasonable. It’s important for people to have a space where they feel safe and accepted. Ideally, everyone’s social group would be a safe haven. When people who rely too heavily upon that refuge feel insecure in that haven, however, a commendable ideal mutates into its pathological form, GSF2.

Carriers of GSF2 believe that since a friend accepts them as they are, anyone who criticizes them is not their friend. Thus, they can’t take criticism from friends — criticism is experienced as a treacherous betrayal of the friendship, no matter how inappropriate the criticized behavior may be.

Conversely, most carriers will never criticize a friend under any circumstances; the duty to be supportive trumps any impulse to point out unacceptable behavior.

GSF2 has extensive consequences within a group. Its presence in substantial quantity within a social group vastly increases the group’s conflict-averseness. People spend hours debating how to deal with conflicts, because they know (or sometimes merely fear) that the other person involved is a GSF2 carrier, and any attempt to confront them directly will only make things worse. As a result, people let grudges brew much longer than is healthy, and they spend absurd amounts of time deconstructing their interpersonal dramas in search of a back way out of a dilemma.

Ironically, GSF2 carriers often take criticism from coworkers, supervisors, and mentors quite well; those individuals aren’t friends, and aren’t expected to accept the carrier unconditionally.

Geek Social Fallacy #3: Friendship Before All

Valuing friendships is a fine and worthy thing. When taken to an unhealthy extreme, however, GSF3 can manifest itself.

Like GSF2, GSF3 is a “friendship test” fallacy: in this case, the carrier believes that any failure by a friend to put the interests of the friendship above all else means that they aren’t really a friend at all. It should be obvious that there are a million ways that this can be a problem for the carrier’s friends, but the most common one is a situation where friends’ interests conflict — if, for example, one friend asks you to keep a secret from another friend. If both friends are GSF3 carriers, you’re screwed — the first one will feel betrayed if you reveal the secret, and the other will feel betrayed if you don’t. Your only hope is to keep the second friend from finding out, which is difficult if the secret in question was a party that a lot of people went to.

GSF3 can be costly for the carrier as well. They often sacrifice work, family, and romantic obligations at the altar of friendship. In the end, the carrier has a great circle of friends, but not a lot else to show for their life. This is one reason why so many geek circles include people whose sole redeeming quality is loyalty: it’s hard not to honor someone who goes to such lengths to be there for a friend, however destructive they may be in other respects.

Individual carriers sometimes have exceptions to GSF3, which allow friends to place a certain protected class of people or things above friendship in a pinch: “significant others” is a common protected class, as is “work”.

Geek Social Fallacy #4: Friendship Is Transitive

Every carrier of GSF4 has, at some point, said: “Wouldn’t it be great to get all my groups of friends into one place for one big happy party?!”

If you groaned at that last paragraph, you may be a recovering GSF4 carrier.

GSF4 is the belief that any two of your friends ought to be friends with each other, and if they’re not, something is Very Wrong.

The milder form of GSF4 merely prevents the carrier from perceiving evidence to contradict it; a carrier will refuse to comprehend that two of their friends (or two groups of friends) don’t much care for each other, and will continue to try to bring them together at social events. They may even maintain that a full-scale vendetta is just a misunderstanding between friends that could easily be resolved if the principals would just sit down to talk it out.

A more serious form of GSF4 becomes another “friendship test” fallacy: if you have a friend A, and a friend B, but A & B are not friends, then one of them must not really be your friend at all. It is surprisingly common for a carrier, when faced with two friends who don’t get along, to simply drop one of them.

On the other side of the equation, a carrier who doesn’t like a friend of a friend will often get very passive-aggressive and covertly hostile to the friend of a friend, while vigorously maintaining that we’re one big happy family and everyone is friends.

GSF4 can also lead carriers to make inappropriate requests of people they barely know — asking a friend’s roommate’s ex if they can crash on their couch, asking a college acquaintance from eight years ago for a letter of recommendation at their workplace, and so on. If something is appropriate to ask of a friend, it’s appropriate to ask of a friend of a friend.

Arguably, Friendster was designed by a GSF4 carrier.

Geek Social Fallacy #5: Friends Do Everything Together

GSF5, put simply, maintains that every friend in a circle should be included in every activity to the full extent possible. This is subtly different from GSF1; GSF1 requires that no one, friend or not, be excluded, while GSF5 requires that every friend be invited. This means that to a GSF5 carrier, not being invited to something is intrinsically a snub, and will be responded to as such.

This is perhaps the least destructive of the five, being at worst inconvenient. In a small circle, this is incestuous but basically harmless. In larger groups, it can make certain social events very difficult: parties which are way too large for their spaces and restaurant expeditions that include twenty people and no reservation are far from unusual.

When everyone in a group is a GSF5 carrier, this isn’t really a problem. If, however, there are members who aren’t carriers, they may want occasionally to have smaller outings, and these can be hard to arrange without causing hurt feelings and social drama. It’s hard to explain to a GSF5 carrier that just because you only wanted to have dinner with five other people tonight, it doesn’t mean that your friendship is in terrible danger.

For some reason, many GSF5 carriers are willing to make an exception for gender-segregated events. I don’t know why.

Interactions

Each fallacy has its own set of unfortunate consequences, but frequently they become worse in interaction. GSF4 often develops into its more extreme form when paired with GSF5; if everyone does everything together, it’s much harder to maintain two friends who don’t get along. One will usually fall by the wayside.

Similarly, GSF1 and GSF5 can combine regrettably: when a failure to invite someone is equivalent to excluding them, you can’t even get away with not inviting Captain Halitosis along on the road trip. GSF3 can combine disastrously with the other “friendship test” fallacies; carriers may insist that their friends join them in snubbing someone who fails the test, which occasionally leads to a chain reaction which causes the carrier to eventually reject all of their friends. This is not healthy; fortunately, severe versions of GSF3 are rare.

Consequences

Dealing with the effects of social fallacies is an essential part of managing one’s social life among geeks, and this is much easier when one is aware of them and can identify which of your friends carry which fallacies. In the absence of this kind of awareness, three situations tend to arise when people come into contact with fallacies they don’t hold themselves.

Most common is simple conflict and hurt feelings. It’s hard for people to talk through these conflicts because they usually stem from fairly primal value clashes; a GSF3 carrier may not even be able to articulate why it was such a big deal that their non-carrier friend blew off their movie night.

Alternately, people often take on fallacies that are dominant in their social circle. If you join a group of GSF5 carriers, doing everything together is going to become a habit; if you spend enough time around GSF1 carriers, putting up with trolls is going to seem normal.

Less commonly, people form a sort of counter-fallacy which I call “Your Feelings, Your Problem”. YFYP carriers deal with other people’s fallacies by ignoring them entirely, in the process acquiring a reputation for being charmingly tactless. Carriers tend to receive a sort of exemption from the usual standards: “that’s just Dana”, and so on. YFYP has its own problems, but if you would rather be an asshole than angstful, it may be the way to go. It’s also remarkably easy to pull off in a GSF1-rich environment.

What Can I Do?

As I’ve said, I think that the best way to deal with social fallacies is to be aware of them, in yourself and in others. In yourself, you can try to deal with them; in others, understanding their behavior usually makes it less aggravating.

Social fallacies don’t make someone a bad person; on the contrary, they usually spring from the purest motives. But I believe they are worth deconstructing; in the long run, social fallacies cost a lot of stress and drama, to no real benefit. You can be tolerant without being indiscriminate, and you can be loyal to friends without being compulsive about it.

Hey, Are You Talking About Me?

If I know you, yeah, probably I am. It doesn’t mean I don’t love you; most of us carry a few fallacies. Myself, I struggle with GSF 1 and 2, and I used to have a bad case of 4 until a series of disastrous parties dispelled it.

I haven’t used any examples that refer to specific situations, if it has you worried. Any resemblances to geeks living or dead are coincidental.

Most of these poly wierdoes are social rejects of some sort. Not because they are awful people but more awkward and clumsy. They are in these relationships not because they are natural sluts that want to sleep around* but because they think this is the best deal they can get. They are used just being ignored, pushed to the side and barely tolerated so when someone is actually nice to them and wants them around they aren't likely to rock the boat or even realize they probably should. Partly because they are afraid of loosing what they have, partly because they remember how awful they felt when they got rejected and don't want others to feel that way. This leaves them to very vulnerable to be taken advantage of or just not working out normal relationships problems that can be solved, sometimes even fairly easily.

* These people exist of course but they are more likely to be eternal singles, serial cheaters or swingers than go full poly. Playing house with multiple people isn't their style because they just want the sex and ego boost.
 
Whoever came up with the Geek Social Fallacies theory is a fucking genius and this should be required reading for KF users. Reading through that reminded me why so many fandoms like bronies, weebs and furries are havens for cows and degenerates. And then it reminded me of my old social failings in the past too. *sigh*

They say cringing at past self is good though because it's a sign you've matured as a person. I sincerely hope these poly people find their self respect and learn from the mistakes they made with their godawful "relationships." Well, unless they're manipulative whores. Those types can get AIDS and die a little bit.
 
A pattern I'm also noticing with a lot of the people involved in this stuff is that they never communicate negative feelings until way, way, way into things coming to a head. They make a lot of assumptions about things. And then are surprised when things turn out the way they turn out. Why didn't Mr. Cucktastic just say from the outset that he doesn't like Mr. Impregnator only would tolerate the other couple within their couple having him around for sex and nothing else. What a clusterfuck. How is any of the charts and math involved in that a better option than just settling down with someone and calling it a day?
All of this from people who allegedly prioritize communication. Isn’t that what all those poly books tell people to do? And yet it doesn’t really seem to happen enough in practice.
 
Yeah, and based purely on my own sadly real life experience(s), it's always women pushing their cuck husbands/spouses into this. In fact, the story is eerily similar to a real life case I know, which had me doing double-takes until enough details stopped lining up.
Even better when they then realize their quiet man is a catch who then fucks the 6 women he said no to out of respect for his wife, while she gets no dick and want to break it off.
 
Most of these poly wierdoes are social rejects of some sort.
Some sure, but far from the majority. Sadly I have first hand experience with multiple poly/open relation types and none of them where social rejects. The women where youre stereotypical basket cases of childhood abuse but the men, one in particular was an incredibly out going super sociable person(though again, very abusive childhood).
 
Some sure, but far from the majority. Sadly I have first hand experience with multiple poly/open relation types and none of them where social rejects. The women where youre stereotypical basket cases of childhood abuse but the men, one in particular was an incredibly out going super sociable person(though again, very abusive childhood).
Intresting. My experiences with poly come mostly from artsy people and there social issues play a huge part.

Arts are excellent breeding ground for crap like this because art attracts and excuses wierdoes. Art of any kind isn't necessary for life like food, shelter or medicine. Art in all of it's form is just entertainment and can make life more enjoyable. This is why most people do something artsy like putting up a poster, having pretty clothes or doodling but are rarely professional artists. To do something useless like that needs a support network where other people provide all useful things for you.

So artists are on average more emotional, more neurotic, less concerned with practicality, get bigger kick out of newness, have lower discust response and especially tend to be from very wealthy backgrounds with too much free time. This sort social environment allows you to try out so many stupid ideas and convince yourself that your right about them regardless how stupid they are. Afterall art merits aren't really measured by dollars but by attention and acceptance. From cool sophisticated people, not lame ass conservative blue collar lame normies who don't get how deep you are because they are lame and boring.
 
A pattern I'm also noticing with a lot of the people involved in this stuff is that they never communicate negative feelings until way, way, way into things coming to a head.
To do something useless like that needs a support network where other people provide all useful things for you.
Posting this woman again because of how well it fits both of these.

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At this point in her content, while she's not exactly hiding her husband, most of her online content is focused around the girlfriend. I think on some level she knows that's more marketable to her target demographic, so she's playing up the "I'm a big ol' lesbian!" thing without bringing up the uncomfortable reality of her living situation. i.e. There is a man in this relationship, and he's the one bankrolling all of this.
 
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