Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Sooty Soot]

The mad quest for realismus is one

if they love realism so much they might as well add a brezhnev path which is something i would kill for

 

[KingLiberty76]

the virgin TNO/Kaiserreich: removes paths to be more realistic in an alternate history mod
the chad Kaiserredux:
and this is is just the military paths for Germany in an upcoming update

 

[Caligura]

I think in an Axis victory timeline the NSDAP would eventually end up being 10% Jewish because they always find a way to worm themselves into everything.

This will be the NSDAP in 2049.

Also jokes aside, there's a lot of factors that determine how true that could happen.

If it's a scenario like Fatherland or TNO. I'm pretty sure there's going to be some glowniggery going on as long the United States or a rival world power exists. It's way easier for spooks to blend in as an SS Officer (just recruit from German Americans who live in the Midwest) rather than how IRL CIA agents had issues disguising themselves as True & Honest Soviets since Slavic Americans are a smaller minority in the US compared to German Americans.

The above entirely depends how good a hypothetical post-war Nazi Germany is when it comes to their own intelligence agencies and how well they can counter the Americans. If the Axis (Germany and Italy) won a clean war in Europe up to the AA line without any invasions into their own land by say 1943 then they'd be in a good position to build up into the post war era as a strong power bloc to resist the Americans/NATO-equivalent. But if it was a pyrrhic victory that ends in 1945 with Germany being invaded (though they did eventually kick them back) and Italy reduced to a puppet state under the Germans (therefore resources have to also be diverted into uncucking the Italians and rebuilding them) then they're basically going to end up like the Soviet Union+Warsaw Pact IRL where they'd decline a lot unless a miracle happens during the post war period or cold war.

Because for the most part, in a total Axis victory scenario in Europe/Asia/Africa, Israel won't exist but that just means America 'becomes' Israel with all the Jewish refugees and stragglers who inevitably make it to America and rebuild themselves there since TKD isn't exactly perfect. I could totally see NYC becoming an autonomous territory of the United States with all the new Jews coming in and probably functions as Israel anyways.

I don't know much about technology but I guess in theory the Germans can just create scanners that detect any source of Jewish blood, LOL. Kinda like that Spike Alternate History show pilot.

But if it's a world like the nu-Wolfenstein duology (The New Order and Old Blood were the only good ones) then I'm pretty sure TKD would've been achieved eventually in a world that's more realistic with no plot armor.

 

[winderson_silva]

Reminds me of how in The Ultimate Solution, the pov secret police guy kills one of the last jews in the planet and he just feels nothing, when he was born 99% of them were already dead, so he dont even hate jews, hes just doing a job like anything else.

 

[Ryona420]

the virgin TNO/Kaiserreich: removes paths to be more realistic in an alternate history mod
the chad Kaiserredux:View attachment 6333569
and this is is just the military paths for Germany in an upcoming update

KX has content for the sake of content which I am here for. Scratch that actually as that is insulting to KX. ITs more then just that. KX has a policy of them never getting rid of or re-working content. Rather they keep old content in and just have new content be another path or focus tree for them. It works in their favor as the player now has more stuff to do. Its sort of why I despise how every other mod looks down on KX. They try to kvetch they are unrealistic, how they got content for contents sake, and muh story.

Which I think is the issue here. So many hoi4 modders are writers and ideas guys. They see this as alt history fanfiction and not actually a game people play. So they see it as a literary device first and not a game. This is how you get stuff like TNO itself. Meanwhile KX I would wager does have people who still play this game. As much as they make fun of KX, KX has gone from a submod to a serious mod at this point and keeps pumping out god tier content. Whereas so many other get caught lacking.

 

[Computer God Autism]

Which I think is the issue here. So many hoi4 modders are writers and ideas guys. They see this as alt history fanfiction and not actually a game people play. So they see it as a literal device first and not a game.

It's a projection of their own insecurity. I think many HOI4 modders know, at some level, HOI4 is not an impressive strategy game or impressive as a WWII game. Darkest Hour still runs laps around it mechanically and also has a small but active modding community that does care about the gameplay. So they have to mask the obvious of them being wikipedia plagiarists and not code monkeys/grogs by trying to set that as the standard for what constitutes a good HOI4 mod. I suspect it's also why precious few of these mods have tried to integrate or recreate BlackICE.

 

[Corpun]

I honestly have to hand it to Reduxchads, they singlehandedly blow out the bullshit that HOI4 updates take forever to do. I don't know how their modding team structures work, but there is no reason a submod has far better and more entertaining content than the mod it was spawned off of. How many updates has Kaiserreich had this year? One, two? I remember I used to be so hype for progress reports for Kaiserreich because it was literally the only content you'd get to see. Seeing all the China teasers and progress reports was fucking hype, but even now China is still a half-baked mess with some paths still not added and it is probably the most updated region of their mod in terms of content and shit to do. And that was how many years ago, three? four?

I am not tired of winning with Redux and no matter how slow or bloated the mod gets it will be infinitely more replayable and fun than Kaiserreich.

 

[Ryona420]

I honestly have to hand it to Reduxchads, they singlehandedly blow out the bullshit that HOI4 updates take forever to do. I don't know how their modding team structures work, but there is no reason a submod has far better and more entertaining content than the mod it was spawned off of. How many updates has Kaiserreich had this year? One, two? I remember I used to be so hype for progress reports for Kaiserreich because it was literally the only content you'd get to see. Seeing all the China teasers and progress reports was fucking hype, but even now China is still a half-baked mess with some paths still not added and it is probably the most updated region of their mod in terms of content and shit to do. And that was how many years ago, three? four?

I am not tired of winning with Redux and no matter how slow or bloated the mod gets it will be infinitely more replayable and fun than Kaiserreich.

Never actually tried it though I could probably handle the game since my computer is good but if I had to wager I would say lack of mini-games makes it so good. Like sure they might have paths hidden in event chains but I can stand that. There used to be a time when complicated event chains was our only worries. How naive we were back then. But yeah they mostly focus on - you go down your focus, pick your path, that's it, now wait for your war. Without any other sort of bloat or stupid minigame. And the thing is KX still has interesting paths. They have stuff liked Injun being pissed at huwhite Americans. To them doing what normal KR is too scared to do with having totalists just be red fascists at times.

Hell it was posted a while back but they brought up this one guy. Forget his name but he probably is where we get redneck from. He was a populist socialist from Mississippi and his followers use red bandanas around their necks, hence the red neck in more ways then one and he is a radsoc in the game. Problem? He is incredibly racist. Both IRL and game. Like he was a socialist but he thought only whites and Jews should reap the benefits of social welfare programs and that niggers should fuck off. KR would not DARE to have him be in the game let alone have him remain as a radsoc. They would put him as a natpop or an authdem or something retarded. KX simply isn't blinded by ideology unlike KR who I've outright been told a lot of syndies and ancoms make up a bulk of their dev team. America being the most errigious as it was written by a mutt commie.

 

[Corpun]

Hell it was posted a while back but they brought up this one guy. Forget his name but he probably is where we get redneck from. He was a populist socialist from Mississippi and his followers use red bandanas around their necks, hence the red neck in more ways then one and he is a radsoc in the game. Problem? He is incredibly racist. Both IRL and game. Like he was a socialist but he thought only whites and Jews should reap the benefits of social welfare programs and that niggers should fuck off. KR would not DARE to have him be in the game let alone have him remain as a radsoc. They would put him as a natpop or an authdem or something retarded. KX simply isn't blinded by ideology unlike KR who I've outright been told a lot of syndies and ancoms make up a bulk of their dev team. America being the most errigious as it was written by a mutt commie.

Think you're talking about Leo Vardakar or someone in the Constitutional American States, but yeah, vanilla Kaiserreich would never have an 'evil socialist' route for a 'evil' nation, because they all believe socialists are based and love everyone.

 

[foreman 89]

Reminds me of how in The Ultimate Solution, the pov secret police guy kills one of the last jews in the planet and he just feels nothing, when he was born 99% of them were already dead, so he dont even hate jews, hes just doing a job like anything else.

That's dark af.

Think you're talking about Leo Vardakar or someone in the Constitutional American States, but yeah, vanilla Kaiserreich would never have an 'evil socialist' route for a 'evil' nation, because they all believe socialists are based and love everyone.

James Vardaman, Leo Varadkar is current Taoiseach of Ireland.

 

[winderson_silva]

But if it's a world like the nu-Wolfenstein duology (The New Order and Old Blood were the only good ones)

Its a real shame how the writing is so weird, like the same scene in TNC goes from Grace talking about the bomb to a joke about balls, and BJ just accepts. When J compared the americans with the nazis he got punched in the face, you would expect BJ to, idk, say that while they were doing nothing in the Empire State, the crakas were fighting and dying in Europe to kill Deathshead.

And dont get me started in Youngblood, BJ seemly knew there was a nazi in the resistence, and done nothing? Unless he got imediatly stuck in that cave, theres no way he would just keep his work hidden without going back to shoot her in the face

 

[Caligura]

Its a real shame how the writing is so weird, like the same scene in TNC goes from Grace talking about the bomb to a joke about balls, and BJ just accepts. When J compared the americans with the nazis he got punched in the face, you would expect BJ to, idk, say that while they were doing nothing in the Empire State, the crakas were fighting and dying in Europe to kill Deathshead.

And dont get me started in Youngblood, BJ seemly knew there was a nazi in the resistence, and done nothing? Unless he got imediatly stuck in that cave, theres no way he would just keep his work hidden without going back to shoot her in the face

The New Order and Old Blood were genuinely great games and are a good foray into Alternate History media, since the gameplay is fun enough for any normie to pick up (it's basically the precursor to Doom 2016 gameplaywise) but the story is genuinely great... As long you don't go beyond those two games.

My only flaw with Wolfenstein TNO/TOB is the world building, imo Germany ruling the entire world (including the shitholes) directly via colonialism doesn't make sense at all.

Why would Hans want to live in a sweaty jungle shithole in Africa or Asia when he's perfectly content with settling in the newly conquered European lands? I know its for shock value but realistically outside of Europe everyone else would just be a client state under the Germans governed by local collaborators at best while their resources (the only reason why Germans would ever care about Africa/Asia in the first place) are kept under a watchful eye. Even better if Italy and Japan still exist who act as an extra layer of protection (and separation) with these lesser regions. AKA an Italian/Jap colony in Africa/Asia which is then supervised by a German delegation lording over its resources.

Though I could totally see America being directly occupied as a sort of warped version of Atlanticism where America is seen as a potential continent to be remolded under the NatSoc model.

 

[Notorious N.I.G]

After being in Development for around 2 Years, it's looking like that Red Dusk mod is finally going to be released, it's been teased that it might be coming out on the 24th of August.

When the leaks of it came out, the mod seemed to have quite a bit of stuff in it (Granted it was buggy since it was apparently a very old version of it that was leaked) so it'll be interesting to see how well the mod does.

 

[Loborion]

After being in Development for around 2 Years, it's looking like that Red Dusk mod is finally going to be released, it's been teased that it might be coming out on the 24th of August.
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When the leaks of it came out, the mod seemed to have quite a bit of stuff in it (Granted it was buggy since it was apparently a very old version of it that was leaked) so it'll be interesting to see how well the mod does.

I spoke with the lead dev of this mod and he is a splendid lad, happy to see their project finally getting out of toosering.

I honestly have to hand it to Reduxchads, they singlehandedly blow out the bullshit that HOI4 updates take forever to do. I don't know how their modding team structures work, but there is no reason a submod has far better and more entertaining content than the mod it was spawned off of. How many updates has Kaiserreich had this year? One, two? I remember I used to be so hype for progress reports for Kaiserreich because it was literally the only content you'd get to see. Seeing all the China teasers and progress reports was fucking hype, but even now China is still a half-baked mess with some paths still not added and it is probably the most updated region of their mod in terms of content and shit to do. And that was how many years ago, three? four?

I am not tired of winning with Redux and no matter how slow or bloated the mod gets it will be infinitely more replayable and fun than Kaiserreich.

The thing that turned me off from KX wasn't really anything objectively wrong, mod is nice and is more fun to play in general than KR, you have so many options to do it's mindboggling. Tho my main reasons I personally dislike KX are those:that it's a sandbox and that some things are just too op for the sake of being wacky/shizo.

First one is both good and kinda a bad thing, tho it's bad for me after playing it too much. You have a great amount of choices and goals that you want to pick, formables and stuff like that, but there isn't much fluff that matters in there story wise. I don't mean like story in sense of sextillion events about Huey Long taking a fat shit, just a story with established characters and (usually) with your leader having a bit more agenda and personality established to at least connect with him, rather than the portait on a screen because it looks cool. Again, not saying that my version is the better one, just preferable after too many hours spent on EAW and OWB that rotten my brain.

Second one is funny because it's the reason why people even know of KX, that is their CRAZY WACKY PATHS. They are fun, of course, but sometimes I feel like those nations are just being a clown of that ideology to the maxiumum extent possible, with too generous bonuses to the paths that of course need them because other nations are just too strong for them to deal with, and after they deal with them the rest is either a cakewalk or a nightmare when you fight nations that have similarly ridiculus buffs. Idk, it just rubs me the wrong way after spending more than 400+ hours in KX

 

[winderson_silva]

Why would Hans want to live in a sweaty jungle shithole in Africa or Asia when he's perfectly content with settling in the newly conquered European lands? I know its for shock value but realistically outside of Europe everyone else would just be a client state under the Germans governed by local collaborators at best while their resources (the only reason why Germans would ever care about Africa/Asia in the first place) are kept under a watchful eye. Even better if Italy and Japan still exist who act as an extra layer of protection (and separation) with these lesser regions. AKA an Italian/Jap colony in Africa/Asia which is then supervised by a German delegation lording over its resources.

I was writing something like that for a fic I wanted to make, properly fusing the timeline of RTCW, 2009 and the Machinegames releases. And pretty much, most of the direct control of germany is just the European areas they wanted, colonies like the central african regions, manchuria or the us eastern seaboard got less than 20% of german population, so the rest of the world is mostly puppets and tributary states. Germany would only take direct control of the rest of Europe when they decide to abandon the rest of the world and MacArthur'd Russia

Same with the Klan, the game wants to point they are all idiots that the germans barely tolerate, but also were given all of the american south? Or still use the masks despite not needing it, and the germans would never accept a group that hides their identities (they even banned fencing groups). The Klan in my story is just Allgemeine local forces, while the government of the puppet states in the US is under people the germans actually trust rulling over the people. Or the gross mistake (i hope its a mistake) of the 3rd Klan being fine with the nazis because, I quote "they are protecting the catholic church" Like what?

That's dark af.

In that book blacks and slavs are treated as lesser than slaves, being born in factories and having their vocal cords removed at birth.

 

[Notorious N.I.G]

Red Dusk Finally came out, Apart from a few bugs, which are being patched out in hotfixes, it's pretty good. first run i did was the Soviet Civil war, Sadly they don't have any content, just a generic tree and some unification superevents, Apparently these factions will likely get content in future updates, but they aren't a priority from what i've heard. my second run was Yazov which was pretty fun.

The Soundtrack is also a banger, wasn't expecting to hear Green Day or Nirvana in le funny hoi4 mod but its pretty nice, Another neat thing is that the UI doesn't fucking suck ass.

As expected, the moment the mod dropped though the discord got flooded with Communists etc.. it turns out that if you want an entertaining shitshow in the general chat, all you need to do is mention how flawed Communism is and it'll immediately be the equivalent of setting off a Nuke. Theres also a submod thats planning on coming out which is changing the Portraits of the mod. Hope to see more stuff in the future.

For anybody interested, here's the Workshop page:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3314680066

 

[I_Lurk_Here]

Red Dusk Finally came out, Apart from a few bugs, which are being patched out in hotfixes, it's pretty good. first run i did was the Soviet Civil war, Sadly they don't have any content, just a generic tree and some unification superevents, Apparently these factions will likely get content in future updates, but they aren't a priority from what i've heard. my second run was Yazov which was pretty fun.

The Soundtrack is also a banger, wasn't expecting to hear Green Day or Nirvana in le funny hoi4 mod but its pretty nice, Another neat thing is that the UI doesn't fucking suck ass.

As expected, the moment the mod dropped though the discord got flooded with Communists etc.. it turns out that if you want an entertaining shitshow in the general chat, all you need to do is mention how flawed Communism is and it'll immediately be the equivalent of setting off a Nuke. Theres also a submod thats planning on coming out which is changing the Portraits of the mod. Hope to see more stuff in the future.

For anybody interested, here's the Workshop page:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3314680066

I respect how the mod feels and tries to be a middle ground between something like TNO with its Cold War minigames and base game, so it's still fun for the average HOI4 player. I'm going to be honest and say the economics rub me the wrong way. I don't think it's tweaked much from the base game when I feel it should have been.

 

[VariableOverflow]

Already got DMCA'd. Luckily, if I've understood right and correct me if I'm wrong, a DMCA strike usually only happens once, right?

 

[Notorious N.I.G]

Already got DMCA'd. Luckily, if I've understood right and correct me if I'm wrong, a DMCA strike usually only happens once, right?

It can happen a few times, but thankfully Paradox are fully aware of the faggot doing this shit, they've already taken out one of his steam accounts because of it.
Matter of fact, Here's the Possible (And Likely) Address belonging to Wicked, it's been sat on for a While according to certain sources.

Spoiler: Wicked Address

825 Ashland Street South, Cambridge Minnesota 550008

 

[Pukich34]

Red Dusk Finally came out, Apart from a few bugs, which are being patched out in hotfixes, it's pretty good. first run i did was the Soviet Civil war, Sadly they don't have any content, just a generic tree and some unification superevents, Apparently these factions will likely get content in future updates, but they aren't a priority from what i've heard. my second run was Yazov which was pretty fun.

The Soundtrack is also a banger, wasn't expecting to hear Green Day or Nirvana in le funny hoi4 mod but its pretty nice, Another neat thing is that the UI doesn't fucking suck ass.

As expected, the moment the mod dropped though the discord got flooded with Communists etc.. it turns out that if you want an entertaining shitshow in the general chat, all you need to do is mention how flawed Communism is and it'll immediately be the equivalent of setting off a Nuke. Theres also a submod thats planning on coming out which is changing the Portraits of the mod. Hope to see more stuff in the future.

For anybody interested, here's the Workshop page:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3314680066

Maybe TNO desensitized me too much but I didn't find anything about Red Dusk particularly interesting, most of the time you just slog through empty focuses and wait for war to happen like in vanilla. As Putin and I tried to let separatists win to see what would happen, but turns out they can't win because they don't have win conditions and nothing happens even when they take Moscow. Second problem was during the civil war. You are forced to wait until your neighbor consolidates it's region before you can invade them, and because AI is retarded they can be at war indefinitely, meaning that you'll either have to cheat or wait for 10-20 years for bots to finish bickering