Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[Shaka Brah]

I'm just wondering where all the fantasy creatures are, like Estonians.

Mountain-Finns are aren't real and they can't hurt you.

 

[Caligura]

I'm just wondering where all the fantasy creatures are, like Estonians.

They exist for precisely 2 months as a faction then promptly cease to exist later when another faction that'll only exist for 4 months promptly beats them. I think that's enough for fantasy.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

They exist for precisely 2 months as a faction then promptly cease to exist later when another faction that'll only exist for 4 months promptly beats them. I think that's enough for fantasy.

That's what usually happens.

Go read this in the most nasally reddit voice you can think of.

This all goes back to the very first post of this thread. Why can't redditors learn to relax and chill? Is there something with that website that causes them to act this way or is it part of their genes and environment?

 

[DJ Grelle]

I find their need to insert some form of jewish resistance in the baltics the most balking of their historical inaccuracies. The entire region was scoured of jews, with extermination ratios approaching 75% in Latvia, 95% in Lithuania and being total in Estonia. (with help from local collaborators ofc.)

And then somehow the jews survive for 15+years under total nazi domination and are still with a large enough number to unite disparate partisan groups and actually combat the nazis.

 

[NashSuvorov]

I find their need to insert some form of jewish resistance in the baltics the most balking of their historical inaccuracies. The entire region was scoured of jews, with extermination ratios approaching 75% in Latvia, 95% in Lithuania and being total in Estonia. (with help from local collaborators ofc.)

And then somehow the jews survive for 15+years under total nazi domination and are still with a large enough number to unite disparate partisan groups and actually combat the nazis.

If you were to talk to them about this then it would just 100% be ohhh they're with good guy white man burden landrut or partisan kovner or EEEVIILLL vituška but when you tell them that would make Landrut, Vituška and Kovner the most powerful factions despite the devs themselves calculating that the best-case scenario would be 7.9% Germanized they handwave it with collaborators. Collaborators who we have literally only heard of in Vituška and none of whom (except Vituška and his splitters) are a part of the massive 13-way civil war. Not even the Estonian-SS, nor the Latvian-SS nor even the really bad people like Ain-Ervin Mere who they would probably love to use if they took one second to research anything related to the Baltics that isn't immediately visible on the Wikipedia page for each country's involvement in WW2.

The Ostland Civil War is probably the worst part of TNO plausibility-wise, but it's made worse by the fact that the OCW detracts from the anti-nazi message that TNO is supposed to have since 4/6 factions are nazis, one is literally the exact opposite in all the worst ways (like the literal definition of nazi propaganda about partisans but it's getting reworked to be somewhat better ig) and the last one is the white man's burden trope except applied to the Baltics and Belarus. But oh no they have to remove factions like Aldan or Britanny's content for no other reason than their french dev sperging about Britanny not making sense for some reason.

 

[Caligura]

I find their need to insert some form of jewish resistance in the baltics the most balking of their historical inaccuracies. The entire region was scoured of jews, with extermination ratios approaching 75% in Latvia, 95% in Lithuania and being total in Estonia. (with help from local collaborators ofc.)

And then somehow the jews survive for 15+years under total nazi domination and are still with a large enough number to unite disparate partisan groups and actually combat the nazis.

It kinda creates a chicken and a egg situation, no? Because if the Axis win WW2 and Germany, specifically holds their rule over most of Europe for at least over 20 years (which is the case in TNO), how would there be enough Jews left for a Jewish resistance in the Baltics and other parts of Europe? Doesn't this imply that the Germans haven't committed the holocaust then despite winning Europe and being given pretty much all the time they could ever want to implement it? How would there be enough Jews able to form military resistance when supposedly the Germans should've wiped them out already by the 60s?

Sure the excuse is that Italy, after feeling mad about Atlantropa (which seems kinda contrived and artificial in nature as a conflict, Germany does Atlantropa for literally no reason), decides to harbor Jews from Europe as a way to spite Germany, which is... Somehow still enough to create an Israel in the Middle East? I don't know much about Italy, but even if Mussolini wasn't as antisemitic as Hitler, I'm pretty sure a lot of the other Italian higher ups were and the common citizen definitely wouldn't give a shit about Jews past their borders. Plus I don't think the Italians could literally go out and pluck every single Jew past the Balkans (which they hold a domain over tbh) enough to also create an Israel in-game.

It simply doesn't add up.

 

[Shaka Brah]

It kinda creates a chicken and a egg situation, no? Because if the Axis win WW2 and Germany, specifically holds their rule over most of Europe for at least over 20 years (which is the case in TNO), how would there be enough Jews left for a Jewish resistance in the Baltics and other parts of Europe? Doesn't this imply that the Germans haven't committed the holocaust then despite winning Europe and being given pretty much all the time they could ever want to implement it? How would there be enough Jews able to form military resistance when supposedly the Germans should've wiped them out already by the 60s?

Extremely based TNO devs admit the Holocaust wasn't Hitler's plan.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

For those who were complaining about the crazy leftists in Krasnacht from much further back in this thread. There is now a rival mod being developed call Razdor (Russian for Discord) Hour of Judgement. The mod is a rightwing Russia vs Left wing America Kaiserreich cold war sequel mod. Unlike Krasnacht, Razdor devs tries to be unbiased and not use it's mod to be a political soapbox.

 

[foreman 89]

For those who were complaining about the crazy leftists in Krasnacht from much further back in this thread. There is now a rival mod being developed call Razdor (Russian for Discord) Hour of Judgement. The mod is a rightwing Russia vs Left wing America Kaiserreich cold war sequel mod. Unlike Krasnacht, Razdor devs tries to be unbiased and not use it's mod to be a political soapbox.
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And like most big hoi4 mods, it probably will be stuck in development hell.

 

[YellowTanker]

For those who were complaining about the crazy leftists in Krasnacht from much further back in this thread. There is now a rival mod being developed call Razdor (Russian for Discord) Hour of Judgement. The mod is a rightwing Russia vs Left wing America Kaiserreich cold war sequel mod. Unlike Krasnacht, Razdor devs tries to be unbiased and not use it's mod to be a political soapbox.
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Does Razdor have a Discord? Also how bad is the soapboxing?

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Does Razdor have a Discord? Also how bad is the soapboxing?

Krasnacht is made by is made by the left hoi4 modders. I'll let these kiwifarm users explain what it's like

the current lead dev of Krasnacht is a """girl""" and presumably """she""" has purged half dev team

In terms of being a tranny filled anarcho-commie hellhole, Krasnacht walked so TNO could run.

Based fellow Longist

Also leftie mod developers always add some mundane sort of evil bullshit to their leftist countries to show that “see we’re not a lefty wank” or they’ll pick a leftist country as a sacrificial lamb to be the token evil leftist country (see: Totalist India in Krasnacht)

Is Krasnacht really going to be shit? I noticed one of the guys I posted browsed in it as a Marxist (Imagine my shock) and said more autism about how evil Russia is in this mod.

That guy is part of the Krasnacht team now. In case you don't know it's a cold war mod based on KR where NatPop Russia and holsum 100 Syndies partitioned Europe. Take a guess where the devs stand.

Also there has been demands for yet another civil war in KR, this time in Canada because morons still refuse to get that the British exiles aren't operating some dictatorship in Canada and are more than stuffy old people smoking cigars (I've unironically seen people sum up Canadian war aims as literally just stuffy monarchs wanting revenge). Thankfully people with knowledge of Canadian politics in the era are speaking out. Also one post is conveniently about Krasnacht and well can't say I'm surprised.

as for a link to Razdor's discord? here

 

[Corpun]

Why does this thread still exist?

Also TNO devs need to figure out something other than generic lag enduring civil war for their tags, especially when it's something like Outland where it doesn't matter because the mod is put on rails for Germany to just swarm over everything the day their gay Civil War ends.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Why does this thread still exist?

Because occasionally funny autistic stuff comes out of tno and the hoi4moding community.

 

[Corpun]

That's pretty cringeworthy. Why is there so much humiliation porn of famous reactionaries in all these mods?

Because it is their power fantasy. God bless Kaiserredux for being a thing. If you play your cards right in Nathaniel you can witness a similar power fantasy where DeGaulle (who they arbitrarily made a NatPop instead of using Mauras) and Petain survive a bombing attempt only to be shot by one of Mordac's allies.

The TNOization of Kaiserreich is huge and I wholly expect them to do the same to Germany and the rest of the nonSyndie states when they get the chance.

 

[YellowTanker]

Krasnacht is made by is made by the left hoi4 modders. I'll let these kiwifarm users explain what it's like








as for a link to Razdor's discord? here

Many thanks, mod looks quite interesting.

Krasnacht seems to be one of the worst examples of modders not being able to hide their political power level, with many mods due to the general diversity in opinion of those involved in brining it to fruition, it means any bias is rather minor or not present due to the ability to detach oneself from their own beliefs to make engaging content (rare though this may be). Now and then there are mods that just circlejerk certain beliefs which then get put into the work, due quite possibly to a subconscious bias to favour their own ideology.

I personally believe that a lot of the left-wing modders set out to create visual treatise on how the world should be, hence the reason many mods get stuck in development hell because people set out grand goals which are beyond their own capacity, this is also the reason they are so disliked the most obvious example of this spergery is the actual original topic of this thread TNO where the gameplay takes second place to the bulging mass of poor writing.

Because it is their power fantasy. God bless Kaiserredux for being a thing. If you play your cards right in Nathaniel you can witness a similar power fantasy where DeGaulle (who they arbitrarily made a NatPop instead of using Mauras) and Petain survive a bombing attempt only to be shot by one of Mordac's allies.

The TNOization of Kaiserreich is huge and I wholly expect them to do the same to Germany and the rest of the nonSyndie states when they get the chance.

Unwholesome cursed Strawman No. 9999 gets shot by wholesome blessed Strawman No. 9999.

Anyone who uses blessed, cursed and wholesome unironically in the fashion shown a few lines above should be cordoned off from society and have their access to the internet removed. Anyone who applies words like blessed to historical figures and movements just assist in muddying online discourse with tripe which you have to sift through to get to the actual meat of a conversation, and Hoi4 has helped embolden these invalids with echo chambers you find in many modding discords.

In short I might be a History/Polita sperg but atleast I keep it to myself.

 

[Corpun]

Unwholesome cursed Strawman No. 9999 gets shot by wholesome blessed Strawman No. 9999.

Except Kaiserreich stans, especially Syndie ones who take the mod too seriously, will remind you Mordac is evil too because NatFrance is a racist apartheid state or something.

Hoi4 mods would be a lot more enjoyable if retards didn't get caught up in their own politics, whatever they may be. Luckily this festering stays out of Kaiserredux where people who reed about antisemitic focuses dont want to touch it even though it is far superior and more enjoyable than base kaiserreich.

I will maybe screenshot it later but it is very apparent how select kaiserreich fans are about politics, like calling Long a racist because he was very ambiguous on his views of blacks and was a Southern populist and the game mischaracterizes him as a social reformer (Redux does his politics far better) yet unironically think Pelley was actually a hard-core Nazi who wanted to genocide blacks or some shit, oh and he blocks Polio vaccines even though those weren't available until the 50s.

 

[EpicGamerMoment]

unironically think Pelley was actually a hard-core Nazi who wanted to genocide blacks or some shit, oh and he blocks Polio vaccines even though those weren't available until the 50s.

Pelley was from Massachusetts, the silver legion’s anthem the battle hymn of the republic and he personally looked up to Ulysses S. Grant.

Yet they fucking think he’s a neo-confederate. Kaiserredux’s US civil war and paths are a million times better researched and engaging despite being “dirtier”

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

I will maybe screenshot it later but it is very apparent how select kaiserreich fans are about politics, like calling Long a racist because he was very ambiguous on his views of blacks and was a Southern populist

Honestly just being a Southern politician from the first half of the 20th century with just very ambiguous views of Blacks is much more of a blessing. Especially compare to the autisticaly racist ones from that era.

and the game mischaracterizes him as a social reformer

Kaiserreich seems to be moving in the opposite direction on how they view Long now.

(Yes they do have QnA bots on their discord)

yet unironically think Pelley was actually a hard-core Nazi who wanted to genocide blacks or some shit, oh and he blocks Polio vaccines even though those weren't available until the 50s.

Pelley was from Massachusetts, the silver legion’s anthem the battle hymn of the republic and he personally looked up to Ulysses S. Grant.

Yet they fucking think he’s a neo-confederate. Kaiserredux’s US civil war and paths are a million times better researched and engaging despite being “dirtier”

I think when Kaisereich first did the American civil war rework they wanted Pelley to be a rightwing boogieman of what the american left most feared coming from the right rather then be his actual self.
Compared to how Foster is turned into a leftwing boogieman of what the american right most feared coming from the left.

But the real life William Dudley Pelley was so much more interesting then whatever dumb strawman Kaiserreich portrayed him as. The real life William Dudley Pelley was..... a very strange man even by Fascist standards.
Had KiwiFarms existed back when he was alive there would have been a very long and complex Lolcow thread on him.
From his experience in the Seven minutes of Eternity, to some of the weird shenanigans that the silver legion did in real life, to FDR hating his guts and going ballistic on him after pearl harbor, finally to that weird UFO mysticism books he created in the 1950s called SoulCraft. That's barley scratching the surface, there's a lot more to him. There's a weirdly big historical rabbit hole surrounding Pelley.

 

[Corpun]

Kaiserreich seems to be moving in the opposite direction on how they view Long now.

This isn't surprising. They unpersoned Joe Kennedy Sr. because he was slightly sympathetic to Nazism or advocated against joining the war or something, which makes him evil I guess. Same reason they turned Lindbergh into the leader of a corporatist racist clique in the AUS, he was anti intervention as well.

What is with HOI4 mods and this drastic almost intentional mischaracterization of people. TNO makes John Wayne a nazi for fucks sake.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

This isn't surprising. They unpersoned Joe Kennedy Sr. because he was slightly sympathetic to Nazism or advocated against joining the war or something, which makes him evil I guess. Same reason they turned Lindbergh into the leader of a corporatist racist clique in the AUS, he was anti intervention as well.

What is with HOI4 mods and this drastic almost intentional mischaracterization of people. TNO makes John Wayne a nazi for fucks sake.

Because HoI4 is the perfect medium for a friendless, literal incarnation of the Dunning-Kruger effect: a political theorist who thinks he's the smartest and worldly person in a thirty person room, when they aren't even the 29th. And they think they know people and their politics despite the fact their knowledge amounts to at best a Wikipedia article or skimming a hideously biased book, and didn't live through or understand the times and beliefs that formed their subjects better than actual professionals. But no self-respecting intelligent person would give a fifth of a fuck about some shitty overpriced, DLC-bloated map painting sim, so no one will correct them, and even worse, they are surrounded by people exactly like them to reinforce their retardation.

Edit: Forgot to mention this, but having John Wayne, the most conservative, tough-nosed and pro-American actor in Hollywood ever, be a literal Nazi shows that TNO modders are not only dumb, they're fucking children. Anyone who has actually read or watched any interview involving Wayne and politics can figure out that he would have gladly put bullets in any Nazi or Commie both that would threaten the American way of life he so deeply loved. Makes my fucking blood boil.