Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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The internal philosophy of fascism is consistent. What appeared ridiculous to me is, imagine this, a soviet citizen is fed up with his government. Why? is it because they put him in a gulag? is it because of the censorship? is it because he's starving? No. It's because the government is hypocritical. The bureaucrats who claim to be for equality are are wealthy and won't share their wealth with everyone else.

The reality is all governments are hypocrites. Maybe I shouldn't have said "the worst criticism of fascism," I should have said "the worst criticism of a fascist government"
Not all forms and levels of hypocrisy are perfectly equal, and using the Nirvana fallacy to try and collapse every form of government together is a cheap rhetorical move that only works if someone is completely asleep at the wheel. But this point is completely OT, so let's leave it here with both of us having said our bit.
 
Every philosophical system since the beginning of recorded history has attempted strenuously to avoid hypocrisy by creating justified cases and exceptions to its rules. Even the actual Facists- the IJS, Nazi Party, Falangista, and of course the Fascist Party- tried to explain away the contradictions or at least hide them far away from the public eye. If you explicitly say "You are expected to follow these rules, but they don't apply to us because we don't want to follow them", people will rightly detect the shackle being slid around their throat and despise you, and you will likely end up smoking a cigarette against a wall if you are lucky.
Even actual nazi theorists like Carl Schmitt believed exceptions are inevitable and will be made. What one person believes is hypocrisy another might see as entirely justifiable. I don't think the nazi party tried to hide the fact that they were for example letting undesirables like jews and violent criminals continue living in German society as long as they were seen as beneficial to society. Justification of course being that the reason why you're doing away with the undesirable is because they're a negative influence on society, but say a general with a jewish mother who has shown loyalty and proficiency can keep his citizenship and position because his continued service outweighs any potential risk he might carry as a "mischling".
 
OWB is the superior HOI4 mod anyway, with the ponyshit being a close second. I couldn't play TNO because of that godawful neon-puke UI. Seriously, how can people play that shit without their eyes spontaneously combusting after 15 minutes?
 
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OWB is the superior HOI4 mod anyway, with the ponyshit being a close second. I couldn't play TNO because of that godawful neon-puke UI. Seriously, how can people play that shit without their eyes spontaneously combusting after 15 minutes?
Honestly I thought the same. They're redesigning the U.I in their next update. But in practice it's not that bad because you get used to it extremely quickly when you're not just peaking at screenshots of it for a few seconds and getting flashbanged.
 
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Even actual nazi theorists like Carl Schmitt believed exceptions are inevitable and will be made. What one person believes is hypocrisy another might see as entirely justifiable. I don't think the nazi party tried to hide the fact that they were for example letting undesirables like jews and violent criminals continue living in German society as long as they were seen as beneficial to society. Justification of course being that the reason why you're doing away with the undesirable is because they're a negative influence on society, but say a general with a jewish mother who has shown loyalty and proficiency can keep his citizenship and position because his continued service outweighs any potential risk he might carry as a "mischling".
Those are not hypocrisy- like I said, those are justified exceptions. Hypocrisy is naked rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me-ism. It's not "we are sparing this Jew for now because he is useful to the state"; it's "I decide who is a Jew!"
 
OWB is the superior HOI4 mod anyway, with the ponyshit being a close second. I couldn't play TNO because of that godawful neon-puke UI. Seriously, how can people play that shit without their eyes spontaneously combusting after 15 minutes?
I think its because they put gameplay before everything else and the rest just clicked.
Shame they did not make a fallout mod for HoI3 which IMHO is the better of the series, not too autistic, not too arcade-y.
But oh well.
Also whoever got the mod where hungary becomes the nazi germany of its own alternative timeline pulled from the workshop is a son of a bitch, it was an actually well balanced and fun mod.
 
Also whoever got the mod where hungary becomes the nazi germany of its own alternative timeline pulled from the workshop is a son of a bitch, it was an actually well balanced and fun mod.
Can you elaborate on this? It sounds very interesting.
 
Can you elaborate on this? It sounds very interesting.
I can't remember everything because it was in 2017 but it was a mod about the 14 points being inplemented differently after ww1, so hungary rose as the dominant fascist country in europe.
I think germany was democratic and so was italy with a trostki led USSR.
It was fun and the focus tree served more to speed up some techs and give historical bonuses more than anything else.
The A. I. was also a challenge at times so it was fun.
Same for the mod where napoleon won at waterloo and so the continental system became the entente with a WW1 between france and austria against germany britain and italy.
I think both mods where tested with multiplayer in mind because they worked really well.
 
so, on Polish FB group about mod a former TNO dev leaked some stories:
>Panzer tried to hit on former India dev (some lefty Polish chick called Chai-chan, later she's got thrown out for not doing shit and now she stalks him on Godspeed mod discord (not related to Godherja, she's got thrown out off Godspeed devteam too))
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>Russia development is made on principle "Russia should get revenge on Nazis, realism be damned"
>Panzer is very toxic leader (either you are making this his way, or you're b&) and paranoid about leaks
>lack of communication between teams (due to Panzer's leadership; that's explains Burgundian GlobalPlans not working)
 
Sablin who can lead a heckin' wholesome Libertarian Socialist USSR with democracy (somehow? even though its a one party state where the VKP(b) dominates politics) and buttsex rights. There's even an event where he liberates a bunch of gays from Rodzavesky's concentration camps after he beats him. Oh and his 'bad ending' is ending up as Authoritarian Socialist instead of Libertarian Socialist, but be pretty much has 99% of the wholesome stuff still around.

I admit I don't know much about Russian/Soviet history but from what I know the Russian community of TNO and HOI4 doesn't like how they white-wash him in the mod, and in Russia (in general) they consider Sablin IRL a terrorist and criminal.
I bought and read a book on Sablin and his portrayal in TNO is retarded.

Sablin was a leninist who tried to mutiny against Brezhnev because he wasn't socialist enough, but was still very much a product of the Socialist System and not a heckin chungus libsoc. Whenever Sablin did try to show benevolence, it bit him in the ass, which is how his mutiny failed. Some guy pretended to be a sympathizer so Sablin let him run around the ship free, and he immediately radio'd Moscow to inform them of the mutiny.

I'm not saying the devs should make Sablin evil nazi commie "grr i hate freedom" either, but they should depict him as the complex character he was. Right now, Sablin seems like they just wanted a heckin wholesome leninist and picked some random schmuck for it.

As a sidenote, I know the devs have read the book I have, as Sablin's portrait is from it. They're just ignoring who he was because "Benevolent Leninism" sounds based to their Vaush-addled minds.
 
I bought and read a book on Sablin and his portrayal in TNO is retarded.

Sablin was a leninist who tried to mutiny against Brezhnev because he wasn't socialist enough, but was still very much a product of the Socialist System and not a heckin chungus libsoc. Whenever Sablin did try to show benevolence, it bit him in the ass, which is how his mutiny failed. Some guy pretended to be a sympathizer so Sablin let him run around the ship free, and he immediately radio'd Moscow to inform them of the mutiny.

I'm not saying the devs should make Sablin evil nazi commie "grr i hate freedom" either, but they should depict him as the complex character he was. Right now, Sablin seems like they just wanted a heckin wholesome leninist and picked some random schmuck for it.

As a sidenote, I know the devs have read the book I have, as Sablin's portrait is from it. They're just ignoring who he was because "Benevolent Leninism" sounds based to their Vaush-addled minds.
I have to ask, how did they portray italy in the mod?
 
I have to ask, how did they portray italy in the mod?
Italy's a mediocre experience. You can either keep Fascism under some blackshirt thug or peacefully transition to Democracy under Mussolini's SIL, but a lot of it's uninteresting.
The democratic path tries to emulate the years of lead, while the fascists have no flavor because there's like 5 disconnected paths you can take, including "wholesome but not really national syndicalism", which doesn't work when you're trying to make a narriative mod about characters.
To the mod team's credit, they're supposed to be reworking it to give more interesting paths and figures and generally be better.
 
Most of the modding cliques are far left, simply because Paradox suppresses all far right mods because they don't want to be associated with it.
Man, remember when HoI3 had Hitler running the tutorial? Paradox fell off.

I don’t really like the HoI series because it’s so autistically fetishistic about minutiae which has no actual effect on the game itself, but the mods always seem so much worse because they embrace all the stuff that is too baroque for even Paradox to meddle with (and cater to the kind of people who think playing HoI proves you’re too smart for normal games.)
 
Not the pwecious gays!!!
Holocaust is ok but gay erasure is a nono!

Also I am fairly sure half of gamer demographic is trooning outbor already trooned so that may be why they are so sensitive to that.
 
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Italy's a mediocre experience. You can either keep Fascism under some blackshirt thug or peacefully transition to Democracy under Mussolini's SIL, but a lot of it's uninteresting.
The democratic path tries to emulate the years of lead, while the fascists have no flavor because there's like 5 disconnected paths you can take, including "wholesome but not really national syndicalism", which doesn't work when you're trying to make a narriative mod about characters.
To the mod team's credit, they're supposed to be reworking it to give more interesting paths and figures and generally be better.
Wow sounds just like Italy in the base game.
 
Wow sounds just like Italy in the base game.
No body plays Italy, base game. Even though it's literally the Tutorial Nation.

As an aside, I wish the base game would give more support for Neutral countries and factions. What's the point in bringing back Absolute Monarchism if we the US has the ability to get war goals on Non-Democracies.

(That's literally how my Kaiserreich Germany led League of Kings ended up getting defeated, a US lead coalition while Stalin was monitoring the Situation.)
 
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