Ramadan killings

Islamic terrorists love to murder people during Ramadan. Although Ramadan is a time of fasting, self-restraint, and reflection for most Muslims, Islamist terrorists believe that there is no better time to rape, hurt, and murder people. In fact, the head of ISIS has encouraged its militants to kill as many "kuffir" as possible. Because of the sheer volume of attacks during Ramadan by groups like ISIS, Boko Haram, and so on, I thought it would be a good idea to have a general thread on this time period.

I'll get started with some of the most prominent attacks so far:

• ISIS opens fire on civilians fleeing Fallujah, killing 30 (June 10, 2016)
  
• ISIS bombs Shiite shrine in Damascus, killing at least 20 people (June 11, 2016)
• In Baghdad, a Sunni suicide bomber targeted a commercial district in a Shiite area, killing 19 people (June 9, 2016)
  
• Two Palestinians disguised as Orthodox Jews attack a retail area in Tel Aviv, killing 4 and wounding more (June 8, 2016)
• In Afghanistan, Islamic State members fired into a police station, killing 6 including the district police chief (June 11, 2016)
• At least 99 were killed and 41 more were wounded in ISIS-controlled territory (June 7, 2016)

I got depressed and stopped looking for news. This is probably just a third, if not less, of what's happened just since Ramadan started. Unfortunately, we're probably going to be seeing a lot more attacks, both in the Middle East and in the West.

 

[Ntwadumela]

I know that's the case. Believe me, I've listened to it all. North Africa and the Middle East are a hotbed of the shitty kind of Islam. So the "minority opinion" argument really doesn't hold very well. The numbers for that position don't really work, wouldn't you agree?

And my point is that that's a terrible point to make.

It's the modern day equivalent of the Soviet cliche "and you are lynching negroes".

This is my favorite one:


Well, the most it shows directly is that your country's government doesn't approve of crime.

It's not a "minority opinion". Yes there are shitty Muslim countries in the Middle East. Anybody with a fucking brain would know that. However, Kuwait is not one of them. Kuwait is the same country that after a bombing of a Shia mosque by ISIS executed people who assisted the suicide bomber and the same country that jailed someone confirmed to have been supporting them as well. Take a look at the UAE, Oman and Bahrain as well. Are those countries having problems with terrorism and political instability?
Being mentioned in the news on a daily basis does not mean those are the only representatives of such people. Are all Americans fat and lazy? Are all Mexicans drug dealers who immigrate illegally? Exactly my point as well.
The U.K. has poverty as well, yet it's been listed as having lower crime rates than the U.S., that's a very shitty excuse honestly. The whole European Union is going through a financial crisis and yet many of those countries have less crime than in the U.S.
I'm not bashing the country in any way, and I've stated previously my thoughts on it, but the whole world is not in black and white.

 

[Null]

Kuwait

Imprisonment for homosexuality.

UAE

Imprisonment for homosexuality.

Oman

Imprisonment for homosexuality.

Bahrain

Homosexuality legal since 1976. Coincidentally, this is also a country that is only 75% Islamic and the ethnic population of Arabs barely tips over 50% in the latest census.

Also coincidental as fuck, each country you've mentioned thus far has been occupied by a western country. Muslim majority countries spared the horrors of the European colonial rush still dwell in an abysmal bronze age mentality and throw queers off minarets.

This falls very well in line with this graph:
http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society


Islam is not a religion. It is a system. It is a system that coordinates every aspect of your life and your government. Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc all fail at establishing these protocols, and it is their shortcomings that made them better for their civilizations. By having loosely defined rules and arguable interpretations, it's possible to say that Jesus loves everyone and we shouldn't kill them. That is not possible with Islam. Muslims are more able to uphold the Qu'ran as a literal and perfect work of God because Muhammad was sincerely a much better writer and a better leader than Jesus was.

He teaches an absolute lifestyle. He dictated that if his teachings contradict each other, you are to obey the last written command, which always means more violence and intolerance. He teaches his followers to lie and to subvert through Taqiyya. English translations of the Qu'ran are whitewashed to make them less violent. Nothing about this fucking religion is compatible with our lifestyles and civilization.

Out of all Muslim-majority countries, the only government considered a "true democracy" is Indonesia, and that is also the largest non-Arab muslim population. Even in NATO-Ally Turkey, it is not a true democracy. There is a direct correlation between oppressive authoritarianism and Islam. To deny it is willful ignorance.

 

[Marvin]

It's not a "minority opinion". Yes there are shitty Muslim countries in the Middle East. Anybody with a fucking brain would know that.

The typical SJW response to Islamic terrorism is that most Muslims are good and decent people, and that terrorists don't represent them. That's what I mean by "minority opinion". That hating gays is a "minority opinion" among Muslims. I think that's completely false.

What's a minority opinion is that blowing things up is the proper response to homosexuals. It doesn't mean that they don't believe homosexuals are bad people.

However, Kuwait is not one of them.

You've convinced me of that.

Take a look at the UAE, Oman and Bahrain as well. Are those countries having problems with terrorism and political instability?

I don't know anything about Oman and Bahrain. UAE is politically stable, and they seem to be investing their oil money a lot better than Saudi Arabia. But UAE is a terrible shithole as far as workers rights go. But admittedly, that's not a Muslim problem.

The U.K. has poverty as well, yet it's been listed as having lower crime rates than the U.S., that's a very shitty excuse honestly. The whole European Union is going through a financial crisis and yet many of those countries have less crime than in the U.S.

Well, it's not just poverty. It's also the drug war. Both things that seriously need to be worked on.

I'm not bashing the country in any way, and I've stated previously my thoughts on it, but the whole world is not in black and white.

No, I know you're not bashing the country. The problem is that you think the situations are comparable enough that criticism of one side over the other is not warranted. I disagree about this.

Not all crime is created the same. To me, ideological crime is much worse of an issue than ordinary crime. Some guy kills his wife? Big deal. Don't get me wrong, that's terribly fucked up. But we've got a well tested system for dealing with ordinary crime. And at worse, you can campaign to improve the system. I'm politically active at home. (Currently living abroad.)

You can't fix ideological crime that easily. You can't legislate extremism out of people. It's why terrorism is worse than a disgruntled worker, even if the kill count is comparable.

So when I hear #NotAllMuslims, I don't care. I already know not every Muslim is a problem. Hell, even if it's a minority of Muslims that hold anti-democratic views, that can still be a huge problem because there are billions of them. Like even if just 30% of Muslims think homosexuality is a serious sin, that's way too many people.

Again, this is just a new version of "and you are lynching negros". Doesn't address the issue at hand.

 

[Fallensaint]

Imprisonment for homosexuality.


Imprisonment for homosexuality.


Imprisonment for homosexuality.


Homosexuality legal since 1976. Coincidentally, this is also a country that is only 75% Islamic and the ethnic population of Arabs barely tips over 50% in the latest census.

Also coincidental as fuck, each country you've mentioned thus far has been occupied by a western country. Muslim majority countries spared the horrors of the European colonial rush still dwell in an abysmal bronze age mentality and throw queers off minarets.

This falls very well in line with this graph:
http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society


Islam is not a religion. It is a system. It is a system that coordinates every aspect of your life and your government. Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc all fail at establishing these protocols, and it is their shortcomings that made them better for their civilizations. By having loosely defined rules and arguable interpretations, it's possible to say that Jesus loves everyone and we shouldn't kill them. That is not possible with Islam. Muslims are more able to uphold the Qu'ran as a literal and perfect work of God because Muhammad was sincerely a much better writer and a better leader than Jesus was.

He teaches an absolute lifestyle. He dictated that if his teachings contradict each other, you are to obey the last written command, which always means more violence and intolerance. He teaches his followers to lie and to subvert through Taqiyya. English translations of the Qu'ran are whitewashed to make them less violent. Nothing about this fucking religion is compatible with our lifestyles.

Yeah but gay marriage is illegal in Australia of all places.

 

[Null]

Yeah but gay marriage is illegal in Australia of all places.

Gay marriage being illegal and murdering and imprisoning homosexuals for the act of sex is a true equivalence and I thank you sincerely for making this great point.

 

[Fallensaint]

Gay marriage being illegal and murdering and imprisoning homosexuals for the act of sex is a true equivalence and I thank you sincerely for making this great point.

Yeah ok but the very definition of illegal implies imprisonment.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah ok but the very definition of illegal implies imprisonment.

That's certainly not true. It just means "against the law".

 

[Null]

Yeah ok but the very definition of illegal implies imprisonment.

Is this a joke? There's dozens of different outcomes for breaking a law. You don't get punished for gay marriage, it's just not recognized by the government. You literally cannot break a law that exists to exclude recognizing something.

 

[Fallensaint]

That's certainly not true. It just means "against the law".

The point I was trying to make was just that the Western world isn't that advanced and was in fact doing these very things not so long ago.

 

[Null]

The point I was trying to make was just that the Western world isn't that advanced and was in fact doing these very things not so long ago.

So what you're saying is: our country lynches Negros?

 

[Ntwadumela]

Imprisonment for homosexuality.


Imprisonment for homosexuality.


Imprisonment for homosexuality.


Homosexuality legal since 1976. Coincidentally, this is also a country that is only 75% Islamic and the ethnic population of Arabs barely tips over 50% in the latest census.

Also coincidental as fuck, each country you've mentioned thus far has been occupied by a western country. Muslim majority countries spared the horrors of the European colonial rush still dwell in an abysmal bronze age mentality and throw queers off minarets.

This falls very well in line with this graph:
http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society


Islam is not a religion. It is a system. It is a system that coordinates every aspect of your life and your government. Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc all fail at establishing these protocols, and it is their shortcomings that made them better for their civilizations. By having loosely defined rules and arguable interpretations, it's possible to say that Jesus loves everyone and we shouldn't kill them. That is not possible with Islam. Muslims are more able to uphold the Qu'ran as a literal and perfect work of God because Muhammad was sincerely a much better writer and a better leader than Jesus was.

He teaches an absolute lifestyle. He dictated that if his teachings contradict each other, you are to obey the last written command, which always means more violence and intolerance. He teaches his followers to lie and to subvert through Taqiyya. English translations of the Qu'ran are whitewashed to make them less violent. Nothing about this fucking religion is compatible with our lifestyles and civilization.

Out of all Muslim-majority countries, the only government considered a "true democracy" is Indonesia, and that is also the largest non-Arab muslim population. Even in NATO-Ally Turkey, it is not a true democracy. There is a direct correlation between oppressive authoritarianism and Islam. To deny it is willful ignorance.

I'm aware that these countries imprison people for homosexuality. I don't support it however and think it's wrong. Islam has different interpretations and schools of thought that have contrasting opinions on several matters. I'm not going to deny such things that many of these countries are oppressive. That's obviously wrong. But Kuwait doesn't kill homosexuals either. You are right though.

The typical SJW response to Islamic terrorism is that most Muslims are good and decent people, and that terrorists don't represent them. That's what I mean by "minority opinion". That hating gays is a "minority opinion" among Muslims. I think that's completely false.

What's a minority opinion is that blowing things up is the proper response to homosexuals. It doesn't mean that they don't believe homosexuals are bad people.

You've convinced me of that.

I don't know anything about Oman and Bahrain. UAE is politically stable, and they seem to be investing their oil money a lot better than Saudi Arabia. But UAE is a terrible shithole as far as workers rights go. But admittedly, that's not a Muslim problem.

Well, it's not just poverty. It's also the drug war. Both things that seriously need to be worked on.

No, I know you're not bashing the country. The problem is that you think the situations are comparable enough that criticism of one side over the other is not warranted. I disagree about this.

Not all crime is created the same. To me, ideological crime is much worse of an issue than ordinary crime. Some guy kills his wife? Big deal. Don't get me wrong, that's terribly fucked up. But we've got a well tested system for dealing with ordinary crime. And at worse, you can campaign to improve the system. I'm politically active at home. (Currently living abroad.)

You can't fix ideological crime that easily. You can't legislate extremism out of people. It's why terrorism is worse than a disgruntled worker, even if the kill count is comparable.

So when I hear #NotAllMuslims, I don't care. I already know not every Muslim is a problem. Hell, even if it's a minority of Muslims that hold anti-democratic views, that can still be a huge problem because there are billions of them. Like even if just 30% of Muslims think homosexuality is a serious sin, that's way too many people.

Again, this is just a new version of "and you are lynching negros". Doesn't address the issue at hand.

I understand you now.
I just don't want you to get the wrong idea about me.

 

[Marvin]

I understand you now.
I just don't want you to get the wrong idea about me.

No, you're reasonable enough. You're between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Online Violence]

The expression between a rock and a hard place implies it is an unescapable situation. The rock is the reality of his Islamic faith, the hard place is the pressure from foreign cultures to reform Islam to be more similar to their own mores.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Islam has different interpretations and schools of thought that have contrasting opinions on several matters.

All jurisprudence schools of Islam agree homosexuals need to be put to death the only question is whether it's on the first offence or for repeat offenders.

The reason Kuwait merely imprisons gays is because it's not fully sharia compliant.

 

[Ntwadumela]

All jurisprudence schools of Islam agree homosexuals need to be put to death the only question is whether it's on the first offence or for repeat offenders.

The reason Kuwait merely imprisons gays is because it's not fully sharia compliant.

The Hanafi jurisprudence doesn't support the killing of homosexuals. There are schools that do though, I won't sugar-coat that. I don't follow any of those. I have also admitted it's wrong.
https://asharisassemble.com/2014/10/27/the-truth-about-homosexuality-in-islam/

 

[Internet War Criminal]

The Hanafi jurisprudence doesn't support the killing of homosexuals. There are schools that do though, I won't sugar-coat that. I don't follow any of those. I have also admitted it's wrong.
https://asharisassemble.com/2014/10/27/the-truth-about-homosexuality-in-islam/

Virtually all Sharia jurists of the Hanafi school agree that homosexuality first gets you lashes, then death penalty on the second offense. We discussed that in the Islam thread already.

 

[Ntwadumela]

Virtually all Sharia jurists of the Hanafi school agree that homosexuality first gets you lashes, then death penalty on the second offense. We discussed that in the Islam thread already.

That's an extreme oversimplification of the matter. I would like you to set your biases aside and explain it completely. I don't have issues with you as a person BTW, but you are just a little biased when it comes to subjects on Islam. However I don't believe that some of your information is wrong.
https://www.quora.com/Does-Islam-provide-a-death-penalty-for-gay-people
http://www.academia.edu/4408941/Homosexuality_a_Comparison_between_Islamic_and_Western_Perspective

 

[Huitzilopochtli]

I'd imagine the only people in existence who aren't "just a little biased" when it comes to Islam are orthodox Jainists.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

That's an extreme oversimplification of the matter. I would like you to set your biases aside and explain it completely. I don't have issues with you as a person BTW, but you are just a little biased when it comes to subjects on Islam. However I don't believe that some of your information is wrong.
https://www.quora.com/Does-Islam-provide-a-death-penalty-for-gay-people
http://www.academia.edu/4408941/Homosexuality_a_Comparison_between_Islamic_and_Western_Perspective

http://archive.islamonline.net/?p=659

As to the issue of how the homosexual person is judged in an Islamic State, the Companions of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessing be upon him differed among themselves on this issue, and this led to different views maintained by Muslim Jurists. For example, in the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, death penalty is to be applied.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality

In the Hanafi school of thought, the homosexual is first punished through harsh beating, and if he/she repeats the act, the death penalty is to be applied.

https://iqraanamlasoau.wordpress.com/tag/hanafi-school-of-thought/

the Hanafi school of thought feels that harsh beating should be given to first- time offenders and death penalty for second timers

the list goes on and on. There are no two ways around it.

 

[Ntwadumela]

http://archive.islamonline.net/?p=659


https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Homosexuality


https://iqraanamlasoau.wordpress.com/tag/hanafi-school-of-thought/



the list goes on and on. There are no two ways around it.

I haven't said anything about you being wrong. I have said you were simplifying the matter. Did I say I agree with killing homosexuals? No I don't. I'm not a homophobic person.