Containment Random Thoughts & Questions

[Kyuss]

Chris is still in jail according to Vine though, he's not been transferred to a place that can perform the evaluation.

Courts allow evaluation from prison. The larger issue with this being a sealed case (to protect the interest of Chris no less) we have zero citations to the extent of what is going on. It's anyone's guess and to imply anything leads us back to 0.
A mental health evaluation only takes a few minutes (45ish?). A psychological evaluation is the more in-depth evaluation and can still be planned to take place in prison. Multiple sessions multiple times a week somewhere in the bouts of an hours time frame per session.
Once again no citations if this is happening in this case, citations can be provided for this happening though in other cases.
A man in texas after already being deemed competent to stand trial was found to have an IQ of Sub-Saharan (retarded facilities) while in prison after a longer psychological evaluation.
There are a few others, but the greater definitives seem to be lost on me as it's very generic about the process.

Chris would very likely tell Heilberg to lie to the court

See my earlier post on this. While a Lawyer has to listen to their client most of the time. The one time they don't is if the client is lying and there is already evidence in the system that contradicts this.
It's lawyers call at that point in a behind doors tribunal to bring this up.
Otherwise the Lawyer is made to be a fool as you said and it's a mockery of the court. A man is as good as his word after all. It's one thing for you to try and shade your client from a prosecutions attack and quite another to lie for your client. Lawyer's have no legal obligation to lie for their client if we already know the client has provided their own self-damning evidence.

Western because he was deemed incompetent?

Oh you mean the after school special where they told Chris about court etiquette and magically he was suddenly back in court almost like Chris already knew how he was suppose to act.

 

[AnOminous]

Wasn't Chris sent to Western because he was deemed incompetent? He was eventually released, but I wonder if that was actually because he was deemed competent or they just needed a bed and Chris was easiest to get rid of.

We have no idea why he was sent there, whether it was for an evaluation to determine that or whether because he flipped his shit and went mental while in the joint.

It would make sense that if someone is a bumbling idiot who'd mess up the entire trial by refusing to cooperate, the court would allow the lawyer to just stop listening to them.

And the Constitution doesn't permit that unless they're legally incompetent, which Chris is not. Your lawyer can't just enter a guilty plea on your behalf (or anything else) without your authorization, whether it would be your best option or not.

And note, the insanity required for a not guilty by reason of insanity is based on your sanity at the time of the crime. Your competence to stand trial is based on right now.

 

[Jon Osterman]

And the Constitution doesn't permit that unless they're legally incompetent, which Chris is not

It's not about whether or not Chris is competent or not, it's whether or not he'd commit perjury when he goes up to testify. If all Chris will do when he goes to the stand is babble about being the reincarnation of Jesus and how the incest call was a lie he made to test his faithful, then there's no way the court would allow that. And if Chris gets Heilberg to support his insane lies, then Heilberg will also look like an idiot and possibly be on the line for perjury himself. It's a lose-lose situation that Heilberg, being the crafty lawyer he is, somehow won (kept his reputation, didn't get disbarred, and even got Chris a deal that's way too good for his unappreciative ass).

As an example not involving someone of questionable competence, imagine if a murderer who was caught and identified on camera told his lawyer to lie and say that was his long lost twin brother. Should the lawyer lie for his client or tell the truth? If he wants to keep his license, he has to go against his client and tell the truth, and that's applicable here because faithfully representing Chris would require a lot of obvious lies.

 

[AnOminous]

If all Chris will do when he goes to the stand is babble about being the reincarnation of Jesus and how the incest call was a lie he made to test his faithful, then there's no way the court would allow that.

Actually it would, although he might be prosecuted for perjury afterwards.

Probably not, though, especially for what would simply sound like delusional craziness. Perjury prosecutions rarely occur in cases where a criminal defendant loses.

And if Chris gets Heilberg to support his insane lies, then Heilberg will also look like an idiot and possibly be on the line for perjury himself.

Only if Heilberg were under oath would he be subject to perjury. Lawyers generally aren't. Witnesses are. He would be prohibited from actively perpetrating a fraud on the court.

When a lawyer suspects a client is going to commit perjury, they can't assist that. In such cases, if the fraud on the court isn't so obvious that they're obligated to withdraw from representation and/or inform the court, they'll allow the witness to deliver a monologue without direct examination.

So if you're ever on a jury and see a lawyer have his client give a long narrative without asking him any questions, he's basically calling his own client a liar.

 

[Kyuss]

they'll allow the witness to deliver a monologue without direct examination.

"in your own words."
vs
"my client was at x, doing y, and having z on his person."
Seen it a thousand times, the one is opening the door up for the prosecution to contradict a statement and the other is opening the door for prosecution to debate the evidence.
Considering the blatantly obvious digital forensics testimony. Heilberg still has to fight the sex crime forensics testimony. It's hard to imagine Chris walking us through each argument. Well it's not hard to imagine "w-well the TROLLS."

 

[AnOminous]

"in your own words."
vs
"my client was at x, doing y, and having z on his person."
Seen it a thousand times, the one is opening the door up for the prosecution to contradict a statement and the other is opening the door for prosecution to debate the evidence.
Considering the blatantly obvious digital forensics testimony. Heilberg still has to fight the sex crime forensics testimony. It's hard to imagine Chris walking us through each argument. Well it's not hard to imagine "w-well the TROLLS."

My opinion, based entirely on the fact that it's Chris and he's a babbling moron, is that he probably admitted everything immediately because he didn't think he'd done anything wrong.

 

[Jon Osterman]

My opinion, based entirely on the fact that it's Chris and he's a babbling moron, is that he probably admitted everything immediately because he didn't think he'd done anything wrong.

He does like to tell the truth for no reason at all, but at the same time he did try to hide the incest from others. Maybe he admitted it, realized how horrible of a mistake it was, and tried to backpedal using his standard tactic of "gaslighting" (Like what he did with Simonla's origin). A stunt like that would probably get him a competency evaluation.

 

[Kyuss]

he didn't think he'd done anything wrong.

Courtroom Sketch Artist depiction of Christian Weston Chandler, Circa August 2022.
To quote Heinlein "Dillinger couldn’t be cured and he was better off dead for everyone’s safety; or he could be cured but understanding what he’d done would have driven him to suicide."
There will be no redemption arc.

 

[TayandYou]

There will be no redemption arc.

I don't think anybody expects or even wants a redemption arc. People either want him locked up for the full 10 years or released quickly so we can watch and laugh as he gets Idea-guyed 24/7 for the rest of his life now that he's lost any goodwill he might have had with anyone. I would prefer the latter as the Jail Saga is boring as fuck and 9 more years of this would be disappointing.

 

[Kuchipatchi]

I would prefer the latter as the Jail Saga is boring as fuck and 9 more years of this would be disappointing.

All we'll get are demented letters and jail art that Praetor will sell for money.

Can you get coloured pencils or pens in prison cuz that's the only way to spice things up if Chris gets the 10 year sentence.

 

[TayandYou]

All we'll get are demented letters and jail art that Praetor will sell for money.

Can you get coloured pencils or pens in prison cuz that's the only way to spice things up if Chris gets the 10 year sentence.

Will the prison still mail the letters when Chris realizes he can use his blood to color his drawings or will they all be disposed as biohazards? I wouldn't be surprised if he tries it, Blood of Christ and Holy Communion and all that stuff.

 

[Glowie]

Has anyone heard anything about David and Carol Chandler?
After Chris' literal mother fucking his siblings basically disappeared

 

[Ophelia]

Has anyone heard anything about David and Carol Chandler?
After Chris' literal mother fucking his siblings basically disappeared

David and Carol have wanted nothing to do with their father’s second family for a long time. Chris’s bullshit doesn’t affect them in any way.

 

[TayandYou]

Has anyone heard anything about David and Carol Chandler?
After Chris' literal mother fucking his siblings basically disappeared

They have basically disappeared for years. They aren't related to Barb, it's not their problem.

 

[Ophelia]

They have basically disappeared for years. They aren't related to Barb, it's not their problem.

Cole is related to her, but that doesn’t make it his problem either. Sometimes it’s nice and wholesome when an estranged family reunites, but it’s not a moral failing if it doesn’t happen.

 

[TaterBot]

Can you get coloured pencils or pens in prison ...?

In my state, yes. so probably likely elsewhere, i'd think.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

We have no idea why he was sent there, whether it was for an evaluation to determine that or whether because he flipped his shit and went mental while in the joint.

There's a an order filed on Chris's court records that states:

"FOR TREATMENT OF INCOMPETE"

It looks like that's a catch all for the wide world of Virginia incompetency laws, some of which were introduced in October of 2022. It looks like they have a very large section of legal texts based on feebleminded/insane people and various measures the state has to be settled on. It looks like they start in with the competence tests and evaluations like that above, and while the date on the CWCki is wrong (the courts merged the dates), it appears that Chris went out for tests to see if he was incompetent, and then after his transport order back from Western, Heilberg filed the "autism deferral". I imagine "autism" was the only thing that the evaluations at Western and JMU forensic psychology department could find "wrong" with Chris.

If there were serious issues wrong with Chris, Heilberg would have filed something stronger than just autism. That seems to have bearing on the case since VA laws have distinct characteristics for being "restorably incompetent", and "unrestorably incompetent" and how to proceed.

Reading through the law now, it looks like the defendant gets a six month evaluation period, to see if their competency is restored, then mechanisms happen depending if they are competent, have been restored competent1, or are unrestorably incompetent.

The court needs to be satisfied and there's other VA departments that get involved and write reports, so if Heilberg had those and they had bearing on Chris's competency, he would have filed them rather than just the autism deferral.

ETA: I should have read further into https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title19.2/chapter18/section19.2-303.6/

However an interesting part details the deferral being used after a conviction. Chris still hasn't been convicted yet. Also, Heilberg needs to prove that autism had a direct contribution to the crime he did.

1. There seems to be a mechanism where if Chris was deemed incompetent when he did the deed and then was "restored" to competency during the evaluation period, then he's still on the hook. Basically if Chris "did good" at those evaluations, then that just digs his hole deeper.

because he didn't think he'd done anything wrong.

I bet he was even smug and proud for a good week or two after he was nabbed and bragged.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

I don't think anybody expects or even wants a redemption arc. People either want him locked up for the full 10 years or released quickly so we can watch and laugh as he gets Idea-guyed 24/7 for the rest of his life now that he's lost any goodwill he might have had with anyone. I would prefer the latter as the Jail Saga is boring as fuck and 9 more years of this would be disappointing.

I think the ideal result would be Chris put in a home where he's constantly monitored and has a tard wrangler with him when he goes out anywhere although that likely would restrict content but I'm sure we'd still get some funny content as Chris absolutely despises being told what to do by anyone who has power over him such as teachers or jerkops.

Kind of wishful thinking though since I assume he'd have to agree to it.

 

[AnOminous]

I imagine "autism" was the only thing that the evaluations at Western and JMU forensic psychology department could find "wrong" with Chris.

There's plenty more wrong but Chris hit the lottery and Virginia had just passed a law (sponsored by his former lawyer Rob Bell) specifically naming autism as a reason for deferral. Of course, that may have turned out to be a monkey's paw wish as he is still in jail.

 

[Kyuss]

I bet he was even smug and proud for a good week or two after he was nabbed and bragged.

Don't forget blushing like a school girl and looking out barred windows in a wistful way.
Missing that sweetheart of his.

(sponsored by his former lawyer Rob Bell)

Wish we could get a statement by Bell, while I understand his own son is autistic. It seems like a big jump from wanting to better your own son's life to expecting your son to be a criminal so let's pass a law helping autistics.
Wonder if he had some statistics thrown in his face on how many prisoners are legit mentally ill or if his experience with Chris helped to define his position on it.