Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[teriyakiburns]

Cool, so post them. My deepest apologies for the heinous faux pas of using data to support my argument, which you have not refuted.

Perhaps people would be more willing to engage with you if you weren't such a condescending shit.

 

[Paper Machete]

Of course not. This still does not refute the idea that these societies viewed women as subhuman, which you even acknowledged, and practiced child rape.

Sexism doesn't necessarily mean someone sees the other as subhuman nor supports child rape (and it's odd this is the only -ism where people routinely think it does). Contraception not existing as a modern invention that levels the playing field, as an example, doesn't mean that child rape was any more rampant than today (hint: 20s was the average range for most people to get married and start having kids, only nobility and royal classes got "betrothed" by rarely married younger due to political reasons). Human are humans and our inherent nature hasn't changed, but technology has. But we shouldn't get too off topic. Go masturbate to the Handmaid's Tale or something.

 

[grenouille crétine]

Perhaps people would be more willing to engage with you if you weren't such a condescending shit.

So you definitely have support for your argument then, right? That you definitely, absolutely would post if I were nicer? Noted. Pwease?

Sexism doesn't necessarily mean someone sees the other as subhuman nor supports child rape

Rhetoric is dead, billions must learn to form a cogent argument

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Sexism doesn't necessarily mean someone sees the other as subhuman nor supports child rape (and it's odd this is the only -ism where people routinely think it does).

Literally what? Why do people engage in sexism or any other ism if not because they think that the demographic they're being ist against is inferior? Are you saying people don't see racists as thinking black people are inferior to white people? because I think they do.

 

[crazedaze]

Perhaps people would be more willing to engage with you if you weren't such a condescending shit.

LOL LMAO why the fuck do you think anyone wants to engage with you you slimy disingenuous cunt??

 

[Paper Machete]

Literally what? Why do people engage in sexism or any other ism if not because they think that the demographic they're being ist against is inferior? Are you saying people don't see racists as thinking black people are inferior to white people? because I think they do.

Being discriminatory based off demographics doesn't necessarily mean someone hates and wishes ill, just that they believe there are instances where recognizing and making decisions off those differences make sense. In modern society, we have come to a point where we can "cover" for such differences between a lot of different groups (not always successfully) so we aren't used to having to make those choices. Pre-modern people didn't. This is using the modern idea of an -ism, which didn't really exist as a concept, certainly not practically, before the 1900s.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

You're fucking mental mate.

Pointing out facts.

 

[Inside your walls]

The cases I'm referencing - in the 90s, mostly - were definitely unjust.

Where it started out was with men who had found themselves shit on by family courts and denied access to their children.

Except in the 80s and 90s there have been massive documenting of the opposite. In the 1990 Gender Bias Study done by Massachusetts Supreme Court it shows that over 70% of the time men who sought out child custody as either primary or joint physical custody would be awarded that said child custody.


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Even studies and books from that time period point this out.


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Also abusive men are more likely to seek custody more than non-abusive men. Even in those extreme circumstances, often at times are more favored by the court and jury for looking "rational and calm" in the contrast to the battered woman that's often seen as "too emotional and unstable".





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[Izdaja Slika]

Men like to hurt women and fuck children/each other, and they will structure religion and society to maximize these pursuits.

I can't see how Islamic and Christian religions were structured in order to enable male homosexuality, since these religions specifically forbid them and male homosexuality is a capital offense in several Islamic countries.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Being discriminatory based off demographics doesn't necessarily mean someone hates and wishes ill, just that they believe there are instances where recognizing and making decisions off those differences make sense. In modern society, we have come to a point where we can "cover" for such differences between a lot of different groups (not always successfully) so we aren't used to having to make those choices. Pre-modern people didn't. This is using the modern idea of an -ism, which didn't really exist as a concept, certainly not practically, before the 1900s.

There are some contexts where I might be able to agree with this, but talking about societies were women were kept in doors basically permanently and often did not have their own names but a name derived from their associated male is not one of them, which is the actual context of the conversation that was happening / the post that you were responding to.

 

[Jacques1194]

What percentage of the population partakes of such "spaces" with any regularity?

I'm pretty online myself (though not into "fandoms" at all- in fact, call me the anti-fandom.) But I would say it's extremely likely from what I have observed that the average user of such "spaces" highly overestimates how many other people ever log on to such a site.

I wouldn't say a lot of people since it depends on the site and the fandom. For example, in the fandom space I'm in, most of the queer and trans kids are on Twitter, whereas on the Reddit side of the fandom, most people could care less about shipping and queer stuff. Still though, I would have thought that a lot of straight teenage girls would be in these spaces and (while supportive of gay and trans people) would at least be into straight shipping. Although, I have herd of stories that straight people have been harassed from these spaces for their ships being too "cis hetero normal".

“Seeing this many straight kids with a persecution fetish and stable wifi” is how I would personally phrase that, but sure, I’m with you. It was astroturfed to hell and back and now from what I have seen online and off, the loud ones are staying the same (and continuing to drive people away, the more negative attention they get the better), new young and/or highly unstable victims are still getting hooked, but a lot of people on the sidelines are doing the cowardly thing and just disengaging. If you didn’t care that much to begin with no skin off my nose, but the likes of AOC are annoying as hell for it. I don’t anticipate Trump doing anything useful since he is cozy with the likes of Bruce Jenner, but I would enjoy being wrong.

I think it goes back into what I said above. I do wonder if a lot of kids get pressured by others online to mostly (if not only) support LGBT ships and hence why it was so astroturfed. Hell, even the straight girls I've noticed only seem to care about gay ships. I know m/m ships in particular are popular with girls but you would think they'd support at least a few straight ships. Its so bizarre how (if we take them at their word) chronically online LGBT kids are compared to straight and non trans kids, which is only proving to me that these kids are being pressured by social media sites like Tiktok that pushes queer content on there.

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

A disconcerting amount of stereotypically macho men, such as athletes, bodybuilders, or military veterans, have trooned out because of body dysmorphia taken to its extreme.

I do think you have a point, but I don’t think all of them started that way. Some of them are just fatties or average dudes who still are bigger of a build than your average woman. Like, even if we don’t consider them perverts but mentally ill, it’s almost sad for them to go through life trying to fit into a figure of femininity when they clearly have a masculine frame. Why do that to yourself?

Now that I see them through the autogyniphilia lense I will probably start to think differently though. They likely find pleasure of of making everyone try to wrap their brains around their perversions. Like we are all going along with their delusional sexual fantasies. Fucking gross.

It's interesting to me that you feel compelled to be polite to someone who says he hates you and that women shouldn’t speak à la Afghanistan. Female socialization runs strong.

I’m not sure why me reading and responding to your statement civilly and not crying is being polite to you. Maybe you want me to freak out like the 2010s SJWs. It’s not worth the stress. You’re just a random dude online I’ll never meet. I don’t care about your feelings about me and women in general. I just find it funny you are saying the same things women have been for decades. And even funnier you have to preface it with “I hate women”.

trans-ID woman ie female in a male bathroom or walking in on a male locker room is very obviously not the same risk to the people in there as vice versa

Ironically we agree there also.

I’ll skim the rest of your post later, because you are actually bringing up interesting subjects I’d never heard of. Maybe it’s autism or something. Again, don’t think this is me being nice. I’m just here trying to learn after being a victim of a tranny.

As you pointed out, I am just beginning to question this all. If this tranny didn’t creep on me in the changing room, I’d still be out there spewing the pro trans narrative like all my fellow women and gays.

 

[isalaide]

I’m not sure why me reading and responding to your statement civilly and not crying is being polite to you. Maybe you want me to freak out like the 2010s SJWs. It’s not worth the stress. You’re just a random dude online I’ll never meet. I don’t care about your feelings about me and women in general. I just find it funny you are saying the same things women have been for decades. And even funnier you have to preface it with “I hate women”.

frog was referring to your answer to cordion

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

My brain is jello from work, so sorry if I seem retarded. Sadly I cannot stop coming to this thread. I feel like a blindfold has been removed from my eyes. I must keep reading - it is like autism-fueled crack.

frog was referring to your answer to cordion

My bad @grenouille crétine. I thought you were cordion replying to me, so apologies for the misplaced hostilities. Let me read your post more closely now that I am not busy.

Sure, those women get called TERF cunt and are driven out by troon sycophants, female and male alike. Males tend to be the ones with the rape and decapitation threats. Males, even in progressive spaces, should not be treated like they have any fucking idea what they are talking about or the best interest of anything but their own dick in mind.

Lesbian feminists like Julie Bindel have long been sounding the alarm, because lesbians do not like males or being compelled to play along with their delusions, and the first troons were straight males demanding to have access to lesbian spaces and dating. Especially as gay men also trooned out from their own form of AGP/sexual obsession with straight men/being effeminate and hated for it, they thought troons crying about the mean mean lesbians was fine and dandy. There was also the NAMBLA thing. Lest you Google too many unpleasant things unawares: North American Man Boy Love Association, ie gay pedophiles. Lesbians and the few sane gay/bi men in existence were not very happy about gay rights being hitched to a wagon with pedos and psychopathic crossdressers, but the pedos won—more money, more power. So it goes.

I would say if they are that stupid to dismiss women trying to warn them and calling them TERFs instead, then let them be victims of trannies one day too. But I can't say that, because that was me, literally a week ago. I was that dumb bitch. Now privately I can admit that I will not trust any transwomen I come across. I will always take extra precautions when they are in what I presume to be a female-only space. I keep repeating this, but what is sad to me is that, I cannot warn my friends about this.

Here’s another fun term: cotton ceiling. It’s related to the glass ceiling. I’ll leave figuring out the “cotton” part to you and Google—that’s a good one to discover yourself imo. Troons destroy everything female they can get their hands on, whether it’s their societal pornsickness encouraging poonery, direct invasion of locker rooms, and of course lesbian bars are a no-go if troons can’t barge their way in.

I googled this term. I still am going to do more research on it, but at a glance it's fucked.

I know plenty of lesbians that would not date anyone with a dick. That used to be the actual meaning of a lesbian (you were a biological woman that dated biological women). If you would date someone that was transgender, you would be pansexual. Even with our plethora of sexualities, we used to have common sense to them. Let's be real, most genuine dykes still would not date a transwoman. They just can't be vocal about it now, lest they be the target of someone's pro-trans sperging.

Have you heard of the court case Tickle v Giggle? It’s a funny name, but the case isn’t. Australia decided last year that women can’t have an app for seeking female-only housemates etc, because ugly men like “Roxanne” Tickle get their feelings hurt.

Fucking madness. At least most of them are so shitty at passing, we can usually recognize them and steer clear. I remember last time I went on an lgbt app, and even lesbian dating apps, I saw plenty of them there. They are always recognizable (probably because they want to be recognized).

This is a male supremacy movement, and men who claim they hate trannies but it’s women’s fault they’re here are not allies. Said men also piss their pants when you remind them that many women and girls poon out to avoid sexualization, and that even the cringey fujoshis (girls into gay anime porn) are running away from the male gaze into a fantasy land where they are respected as an equal. There are lots of insane non-sympathetic pooners too, but they’re still not a danger to anyone but themselves in most cases.

You are so right. Thank you for pointing this out, and again, apologies for the misplaced hostilities. You gave me a lot to think about.

I am too tired to read the rest of this thread, but I will be back.

 

[Dang dirty Pidgeons!]

Often they sterilise and castrate themselves, either to deny the flesh control, or to take part in secret, hedonistic rites in which they "learn" the secret of the feminine existence.

you really have to sauce us on that. I never heard of that but I did read somethings about Gnosticism in my teens and I wouldn't call bullshit either... kinda checks out, but I'd be too crazy if there actually was some stuff on that secret female existence.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

Sexism doesn't necessarily mean someone sees the other as subhuman nor supports child rape (and it's odd this is the only -ism where people routinely think it does). Contraception not existing as a modern invention that levels the playing field, as an example, doesn't mean that child rape was any more rampant than today (hint: 20s was the average range for most people to get married and start having kids, only nobility and royal classes got "betrothed" by rarely married younger due to political reasons). Human are humans and our inherent nature hasn't changed, but technology has. But we shouldn't get too off topic. Go masturbate to the Handmaid's Tale or something.

It seems as if most sexist (at least the males) DO see women as subhumans and they DO want to "breed" preteen girls as often as possible, because they see them as "fresh, easier to manipulate, and more likely to obey Master".
There's no such thing as a benevolent sexist male who likes women. They hate women as a rule. Men think it's okay for men to be "sexist" such as men in Afghanistan, their bar is so low, that it's in hell. They believe women deserve nothing but torture, pain and humiliation... they figure...

"If a woman has a roof over her head and is fed, that means the man loves her! If the man doesn't beat a woman regularly, and/or kill a woman, that means he loves her! If a man allows a woman to remain in his presence past the age of 30, when all women 'hit the wall' and become worthless as cum dumpsters, then he loves her! If a man doesn't cheat with prostitutes at any given time with a woman, that means he loves her! Women are so subhuman, inferior and stupid that they all deserve rape, perpetual humiliation, degradation, and death! If any male allows a woman to live in his presence, and he does not beat and kill her, that means he LOVES her!"

This is also why it seems many trannies are into BDSM, and they particularly embrace the masochism part when it comes to themselves having relationships with men. They want to be "dominated, bred, put in their place", cutting off their own cocks is like the ultimate form of "subjugation" to them, as they see females as "worthless scum". They literally get off on the idea of becoming "worthless scum" for other men to use as cum dumpsters.

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

There's something very uncanny about trans women who don't brush their hair. All women do it, basically all men do it, even metalheads take care of their long hair. It seems to be just a basic hygiene instinct. To get up in a skirt and purse but not brush your hair looks bizarre. I think maybe the only girl I've seen who didn't was a methhead on the street asking for sex. I can't really believe for one minute that any man who can't brush themselves actually believes they want to be a "real woman." It reeks of something nefarious. (no pun intended)

I just wish I didn't have to see it in real life.

 

[teriyakiburns]

you really have to sauce us on that. I never heard of that but I did read somethings about Gnosticism in my teens and I wouldn't call bullshit either... kinda checks out, but I'd be too crazy if there actually was some stuff on that secret female existence.

The problem with sourcing this is that gnosticism is such a broad and deep topic and no one text will actually say everything. Searching will bring back a huge pile of modern, often feminist reinterpretations of the gnostic beliefs around Sophia (wisdom, the soul), that reframes those beliefs as positive and benign, rather than the weird ideological supremacism they began as.

I've also conflated gnostics in particular with Roman mystery cults in general, which is a bit cheeky but not without precedent. Gnosticism was an attempt at forming an internally consistent syncresis between the extant religious culture of the Mediterranean and the new arrival and much of its ideological structure drew on those mystery religions. The idea that salvation was found by the learning of esoteric knowledge is a large part of both.

We know that many gnostic sects practiced castration (one of the more extreme was the Valesians, who even tried to castrate guests). The evidence that many of their groups practiced sexual rites is fairly well attested, though they would rarely admit it themselves. Some, such as the Carpocratians, were quite open about it. They believed that salvation would be achieved after experiencing every from of sensation, no matter how degraded.

A fundamental gnostic belief is that the soul of the world is female and that the ideal state of being is a joining of the male and female essence. The demiurge, the self-appointed creator of the physical world, emerged from Sophia, to whom gnostics will look for a form of salvation from the physical prison they are trapped within. They believe that their true form is an intellectual and spiritual one, that their bodies are a prison designed to torment them, and that their salvation comes by embracing that feminine existence.

It's not a long leap to see the connection between these ancient beliefs and their modern reincarnations, once you look into it. The problem is that there's so much to look at, spread over so much time and space, that it becomes difficult to point to any given part and say "here's the proof".

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

It wasn't some mass movement based on statistics, or claims that men are universally mistreated, but rather a group of men who were rightly angry at being denied their parental rights. The entire point was that the term originated in a genuine attempt to right wrongs

A decade ago I was following the MRA movement. and I wanted to believe that you are right - that it was about awarding poor dads time with their estranged children. However it had devolved into men not taking accountability for their own actions and whining about it. For example, the man who introduced me to MRA had knocked up a woman, didn't want custody, and was whining he had to pay child support. Yet he claimed the MRA movement as his own. They advertised free vasectomies on billboards back then, so the MRA I was a part of was such retardation. There were a few points that maybe had decent reasoning that were just a response to how far feminism had gone, but I honestly can't remember them anymore.

I did some googling, and their current list of "issues" is a bit pathetic.

Men die more? Medical research data focuses on men, so women are often over-prescribed medications due to having smaller bodies, and womens medical conditions are sometimes just not studied at all. I wonder how many women die due to this data bias. I can't see men dying "more" when this fact exists. Men are the more violent sex, so it makes sense they are more likely to off themselves earlier by accidents or intentionally or die earlier due to stress. I guess that is a fair point, but what are they doing to socially condition men to be less violent and more mentally stable? Please, I am all in support of that.

Homeless men? Fair, no one should be homeless in countries with a high GDP, even the ex cons and disabled vets. The comparison to women does worry me though, because women are more likely to stay in violent domestic situations or prostitute themselves to avoid being homeless.

Unwanted children? So they want to force women they impregnate to be their surrogate? No, fuck off, that is just rapey. Pro-life people are nuts. A zygote is not a child and "God" aborts more zygotes naturally than all the women who get abortions combined.

Maybe Reddit has more of a cohesive list, but I don't want to venture there today. Wonder if that subreddit even still exists...

Why don't they try to support proper socialization of boys and encourage healthier and richer boyhoods for men? If they are so worried about men dying early of suicide, socialize their children and young men in healthy ways so they don't grow up to shoot themselves or a school. There have been books written on this topic, so maybe someone in that movement is still trying.

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Anyways, to bring to back to the topic of the thread, what I am curious about is: how many of the modern-day troons were previous MRA activists, now gleefully twirling their hair sheltered under feminism's wings?

Also I came across a book called Invisible Women, and in the comments on Goodreads some idiot gave it 2-stars and claimed it was transphobic for not mentioning any data on trans people and focusing on women (which was the entire point of the book - that women are invisible due to the data bias favoring men). Infuriating.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Anyways, to bring to back to the topic of the thread, what I am curious about is: how many of the modern-day troons were previous MRA activists, now gleefully twirling their hair sheltered under feminism's wings?

I have never seen any hard data and I doubt it even exists, but given the near perfect match between incel/mra rhetoric and trans rhetoric, and the apparently high number of them in extremist political circles across the political spectrum, I think it's safe to say that any given tim would have been an incel or mra type a decade earlier. Anecdotally, every single troon I have encountered has said some variety of "I used to be an incel" or "I used to hate women until I understood my true self".