Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[The Morning Visitor]

seeing a beautiful woman become an abomination

Disappointment, monke brain thinks "I could have mated with her".

(seeing) a beautiful man become an eunuch.

Satisfaction, monke brain thinks "Good, less competition for mates".

 

[Haloperidol]

My pozzed workplace has very noticeably removed the tranny scenario from its anti-discrimination training You can get one question wrong so it’s too bad I won’t be able to check ‘yes it’s okay to bully the tranny and call him names’ this year, but maybe the world is healing.

 

[Mike Patton Official]

Everyone is such a faggot nowadays. Just had to vent about this.

 

[August16]

With the backlash to the trans movement, good. It's about time. Maybe the troons won't go sane, but we might manage to have equiblibrium where they're segregated enough to live their lives without fucking up society.

But with a troon segregation, it's even more like a zoo, watching them go from afar. One thing I've been thinking about recently by reading the various misc threads here is those selfies; it's weird how they don't realize how crazy they look. All these selfies "feeling cute, might delete later", no, you look like a nightmare. I can't conceive how they can't take a step back and think "yeah, I look crazy. People are gonna laugh at me and judge me.". Like they have some kind of mental condition that makes them not see themselves how a normal person would perceive them.

Normal adults don't have that obsession with frilly second puberty dresses. And not just because they had that phase as teenagers - dunno about you but I haven't seen that many kids with frilly dresses. Most just wear sweatpants nowadays.

It's painful to see them go "nooo it's not a mental illness" but then they have all these abnormal behaviours that socially maladjusted individuals have.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

It fills my heart with glee to see a 10/10 get SRS. Not because I'm happy for them but because I'm in a constant state of seething and seeing those I envy mutilate themselves beyond repair makes me happy.

Nothing warm my hearts more than seeing a beautiful woman become an abomination or a beautiful man become an eunuch.

That's psychotic.

I want beautiful women to remain beautiful women and beautiful men to remain beautiful men.

It breaks my heart to see attractive people destroy their bodies. They are literally destroying aesthetic value.

 

[Ruined by the Rain]

That's psychotic.

I want beautiful women to remain beautiful women and beautiful men to remain beautiful men.

It breaks my heart to see attractive people destroy their bodies. They are literally destroying aesthetic value.

I'm just envious tbh. It's the glee you get from seeing someone lost what you wished was yours.

That should be ME, not them.

 

[Sandshrew]

It fills my heart with glee to see a 10/10 get SRS. Not because I'm happy for them but because I'm in a constant state of seething and seeing those I envy mutilate themselves beyond repair makes me happy.

Nothing warm my hearts more than seeing a beautiful woman become an abomination or a beautiful man become an eunuch.

If you're making this comment in full seriousness, I think you need some form of help. I used to also struggle with a lot of jealousy for other people, but it's really counterproductive and you'll never be happy that way. I also take breaks from looking at this sort of stuff when it starts affecting my mood too much, maybe you might want to take a break from the internet.

 

[Baraadmirer]

If you're making this comment in full seriousness, I think you need some form of help. I used to also struggle with a lot of jealousy for other people, but it's really counterproductive and you'll never be happy that way. I also take breaks from looking at this sort of stuff when it starts affecting my mood too much, maybe you might want to take a break from the internet.

I second this. When I was younger, I'd be constantly comparing myself to others for being better at things I'm not and silently wish ill will towards them. That pattern of thinking diminished when I began to focus on self-improvement.

 

[Chieftain Coke Peanut]

The more I read this forum the less I can blame women for being misandristic. Didn't really know just how bad the people you're forced to celebrate and share your bathrooms and changing rooms with were. Pooners are so far away in comparison they don't even register as an equivalent.

 

[enaR]

In the 2000s quacks were giving Lupron to kids with autism to try and inhibit their testosterone and sterilize them.

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/sites/joedb/files/2018-05/sect2-1504.pdf

 

[Spooky all year]

The more I read this forum the less I can blame women for being misandristic. Didn't really know just how bad the people you're forced to celebrate and share your bathrooms and changing rooms with were. Pooners are so far away in comparison they don't even register as an equivalent.

It's a subset of men that make women think that way. Personally I don't believe it helps women at all if they just go full on man hater.

To put things in perspective - where I live people really aren't too aware over the transgender debate, despite being one of the countries where the Dutch Protocol is still fervently maintained, even though the doctors have admitted the feelings of those patients are more important than the physical consequences of the hormone therapies and the surgeries. (Nuts, I know). Now there is a very vocal but small group of women that picks up all (trans)gender related issues. And while I believe it's great they give it attention, I also find it to be detrimental to the actual battle; about 80% of that group of women just hates men, period. It makes any sort of discussion on how to handle it difficult, because any time they get to have a moment in some spotlight talking to policy makers or whatever, they say insane shit (like how they're turbo lesbians, or how all men suck, or what have you) and then nobody can ever take them seriously again. It's such a frickin' waste. Plus, not all men are assholes just like not all women are bitches, though there are large quantities of both of those.

That said - are there any kiwis in this thread that are actual psychologists? I've been reading up a little on the DSM 4 vs the DSM 5 and saw that around 2013 they changed the definition for trannies from Gender Identity Disorder to Gender Dysphoria, apparently because of trannies feeling stigmatized. Currently it's not seen as a disorder but as a condition in which you can 'simply be born into the wrong body', which is bunk as there usually are (several) underlying causes why people troon out. These comorbidities are rarely if ever looked at. It's honestly made me curious who was involved in that troon diagnosis definition change back in '13 and what ties or interests they have in the troon lobby / gender debate.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

All these selfies "feeling cute, might delete later", no, you look like a nightmare. I can't conceive how they can't take a step back and think "yeah, I look crazy. People are gonna laugh at me and judge me.". Like they have some kind of mental condition that makes them not see themselves how a normal person would perceive them.

It’s the same as anorexic girls who look at their perfectly normal body and see obesity. Except with toxic positivity.

I second this. When I was younger, I'd be constantly comparing myself to others for being better at things I'm not and silently wish ill will towards them. That pattern of thinking diminished when I began to focus on self-improvement.

I went through the exact same process. Focusing on what you aren’t will just leave you miserable and frustrated. Even having a positive attitude can make you happier. It sounds trite, but it’s true. Confidence makes you more willing to try things and less affected by failure.

 

[Jacques1194]

I think one of the biggest peaking materials is that statistic that most MtFs choose to keep their dicks. The second peakening after that is seeing how almost ALL of them agree their ideal would be to have both a penis and a vagina (sometimes simultaneously, some days one or the other interchangeably). There was a reddit thread where someone posted about getting experimental "penile-preserving vaginoplasty" and all the comments, from guys who had chosen to keep their penis to guys who had chosen to get vaginoplasty, all agreed that they would have rather chosen a penile-preserving vaginoplasty if only they had known that was a possibility. They don't want to be women, they want to be coom monsters with access to women's spaces and the societal trust and care afforded to women.

I've noticed that most MtFs get more upset being referred to as a man than they do being referred to as "not a woman", if that makes sense. Being "not a man" is ultimately more important to them than being a woman. A lot of them are totally comfortable being seen as genderfluid, they/she/it, femboy, genderconfusion, dickgirl whatevers, but call them a man and you send them spiraling. Sure, making people call them a woman gives them euphoria (boners), but most seem to be content to get through life being seen as not a man. Calling them a man is what explicitly enrages them. Being clocked (as a man) is what makes them despair. Being called "sir" makes them freak out. I think a lot of them rightfully feel deep shame about being a failmale and want to run away from the responsibilities of being a man.

This was one of the things that peaked me. I remember reading the statistic about how most MtFs choose to keep their dicks. Again, if these guys were really "women trapped inside a man's body" then surely most of them would want a "vagina" right? The problem is that they of course accuse you of confusing sex and gender and that being a woman isn't connected to biology. But again, breast development is part of female biology and yet most TIMs want boobs. So developing breasts means being a woman but having a vagina doesn't? These guys can't pick and choose what being a woman is. It also doesn't help that they then call you a bigot if you claim that they're male even after they said before that sex and gender are different. Again, these guys don't want to be women and like someone else said. They want to have all the things they like about a woman's body but don't want any of the negatives like periods, pregnancies, etc that comes with it.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

That said - are there any kiwis in this thread that are actual psychologists? I've been reading up a little on the DSM 4 vs the DSM 5 and saw that around 2013 they changed the definition for trannies from Gender Identity Disorder to Gender Dysphoria, apparently because of trannies feeling stigmatized. Currently it's not seen as a disorder but as a condition in which you can 'simply be born into the wrong body', which is bunk as there usually are (several) underlying causes why people troon out. These comorbidities are rarely if ever looked at. It's honestly made me curious who was involved in that troon diagnosis definition change back in '13 and what ties or interests they have in the troon lobby / gender debate.

Political lobbying. The DSM revisions are done by committee, and they are open (and vulnerable) to input/influence from various outside interests. And while there are certain diagnoses in the manual that have been consistently observed for centuries- even millennia, as there are descriptions of mania, depression, and schizophrenic type syndromes in the ancient Greek physicians' writings, like Galen- there are a number that are obviously more recent conceptual constructs. And with the latter, they are rarely validated by really strong, replicable research.

So yes, political lobbying was the reason for the change to the GID diagnosis. But don't get too excited, especially if you are a lesbian terf- the decision to remove homosexuality as a diagnosis in the late 70s was a result of exactly the same type of pressures and process.

 

[Spooky all year]

Political lobbying. The DSM revisions are done by committee, and they are open (and vulnerable) to input/influence from various outside interests. And while there are certain diagnoses in the manual that have been consistently observed for centuries- even millennia, as there are descriptions of mania, depression, and schizophrenic type syndromes in the ancient Greek physicians' writings, like Galen- there are a number that are obviously more recent conceptual constructs. And with the latter, they are rarely validated by really strong, replicable research.

So yes, political lobbying was the reason for the change to the GID diagnosis. But don't get too excited, especially if you are a lesbian terf- the decision to remove homosexuality as a diagnosis in the late 70s was a result of exactly the same type of pressures and process.

Thanks for your in depth reply!

That sounds like it makes sense. I'm honestly not surprised, though I am curious which groups ended up lobbying. Though I suspect the full extent of that won't be public knowledge. I'm also not some radfem turbo lesbian, but just a straight white woman concerned with the rights of women being broken down in favor of men with mental disorders getting extra rights. It's absolutely ridiculous men make better women than women, if you're the sort of type that believes that sort of thing. As for the gay diagnosis; I doubt we'll ever get to the point of homosexuality ever being researched again as some sort of disorder. But personally I will be trying to get GID reinstated as a disorder where I live; too many lives get seriously ruined by that trans shit - that of women, children and the indoctrinated groomed trans-victims as well. Though I assume that here, I'm preaching to the choir.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I've seen the same halfassed troon pattern, that's not quiiiiiite the same thing as the autism -> troon pipeline, enough times (probably a good 5-6) that it's become a clustered soft "diagnosis" in my head; I can't be the only one who's noticed it:

• Soft-ish nuMale cosmopolitan dude is rudderless, possibly underemployed
• Gooning and porn are hobbies, naturally
• SSRIs

Start the countdown clock. Give it a few months to a year. "You know, I'm pretty sure I'm asexual (while looking at porn, fap fap fap fap)". His socials change to "He/They". Tranny gets its hooks in him. He starts talking about ever grosser porn while still claiming asexuality, may add aromantic to the list. At this point he either troons out or settles into "they/them" while obsessing over genderblob boobs-and-dick porn.

I would rather die bedrotting from whatever onset serotonin deficiency comes my way than touch an SSRI. Those pills are poison. It's like people can't read the "kills your sex drive" warning at the top of the side-effects list, but that's only the tip of the iceberg. Those things are a starter pistol for being an emotionless, identityless, masturbating, fat gender-confused blob. Idiocracy pills.

 

[gata]

While this is more of a LGB musing, it also applies to the T. Ever since the livejournal days the activist gays are the most smug faggots to ever post online. They look down on straights not remembering that they out number them, they go on and on about how unique and not normal they are yet will turn around and say that they're normal like the straightoids are and they act more sanctimonious than the ultra conservative religious people. Like get over yourself faggots, why can't you just accept that heteronormativity is common and just tough it out. How can they shit on heterosexuality while their "culture" is all about sex and relationships? Trying to subvert the hetero culture and not tard wrangling your really bad apples just makes more homo bashers.
It's the smugness despite the inherent insecurities is what I hate about them. I guess it can all be just spiteful mutants trying to destroy society.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

While this is more of a LGB musing, it also applies to the T. Ever since the livejournal days the activist gays are the most smug faggots to ever post online. They look down on straights not remembering that they out number them, they go on and on about how unique and not normal they are yet will turn around and say that they're normal like the straightoids are and they act more sanctimonious than the ultra conservative religious people. Like get over yourself faggots, why can't you just accept that heteronormativity is common and just tough it out. How can they shit on heterosexuality while their "culture" is all about sex and relationships? Trying to subvert the hetero culture and not tard wrangling your really bad apples just makes more homo bashers.
It's the smugness despite the inherent insecurities is what I hate about them. I guess it can all be just spiteful mutants trying to destroy society.

Your avatar unlocked a deeply repressed memory.

 

[gata]

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Your avatar unlocked a deeply repressed memory.

It's very eccentric isn't it.
I don't need to change my avatar for the holidays this picture is spooky and uncanny enough for Halloween and winter looking + has the shitty homeade gift energy for Christmas.

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

Something I have trouble understanding is that all this troon spaces, and all the people within them, are so unhappy and yet do nothing to change their situation. It's just a bunch of unhappy people sitting in Discords, complaining to each other about how hard life is, consuming nothing but trans-friendly media by heckin' valid trans creators, and forming a whirlpool of sucking despair. In between the gooning sessions, of course. It's also bewildering to see the combination of troonism and alters or whatever other 'cool' online mental conditions interacting in the same space. I wonder how many of them would improve mentally if they didn't spend hours and hours basically marinating in an unending stream of mental illness.