Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

So, since they're about 1% of the population then there should be 193 trans murders per year, so obviously they need to get those numbers up.

 

[AssignedEva]

That's why fae/faer is one of my least favourites if I had to choose the worst of the worst (tough call, they're all awful) because people forget it literally comes from a Tumblr user saying "my gender is faerie" and it's even made it as a pre-set choice on one of those "select your pronouns" fields on university applications and the like. I'd have thought even identifying as a mythical creature was a step too far for the "gender diversity" pushers, but I guess people are just picking it because they think it sounds mystical and cool and are probably the exact type of person Wizards of the Coast are marketing to with their new "inclusive" D&D material if you catch my drift.

I found the origin - October 1st, 2013.

So I might possibly have spent today on and off prodding pronouns with my girlfriend and realising that no, if I want pronouns I accept properly, for me to like them and them to function correctly in English, I need to base them off fae. Which, y'know, isn’t a terribly far step from the way I refer to myself anyway, so.
It ends up looking something like this:
Fae/faer/faers/faeself. OR: Fae/vaer/vaers/vaerself.
(Because apparently the vocalization of the f/v doesn’t matter to me terribly much when spoken? But written, the second form looks nicer.)
…this is what happens when I am a non-binary thing dating a linguist who’s kinda fascinating by the pronoun thing
(This came up because she used a pronoun for me and I realised how weird it sounded for her to call me ‘her’, because she normally just talks around using pronouns. And then I half-jokingly said that 'fae’ would work as a pronoun, and it went on from there. And then at some point today we were taking it seriously and staring at written forms, and this makes more sense to me than basically any other pronoun I’ve seen, created or not. It’s interesting.)
Examples, if you’re curious/can’t immediately see how this’d work:
Fae is reading a book.
That’s vaer drawing.
The coat is vaers.
Fae doesn’t really like talking about vaerself.
#pronouns #non-binary #this is an oblique request to start using those pronouns if possible #because I'm bad at outright requests #but um #these are pronouns I like which is a new thing #so I'd like to try these and see if they continue making sense to me #<3 #I create stuff sometimes

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

Trannies just got banned from the US Military!

Mmm, delicious. I couldn't care less about the government and their BS, but for once, they did something right.
I can't wait for the troons to suicide bait or threaten to storm the capital. They fucking won't of course. But holy shit I'm going to love every second of their meltdown. Ain't none of those men ever had or will serve this country. They play commando in the middle of the desert, because even the military doesn't want to babysit fucking speds like them. And they'll take anyone who can barely sign their name on the dotted line.

 

[Arbiter]

What's with troons and the military anyways? It seems like a ton of military guys troon out. Are mentally ill men more likely to join, or does serving and getting PTSD and stuff make them go crazy. Russell Williams would have probably trooned out if he were born a little later. I'm kind of surprised he doesn't now identify as trans in prison.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

What's with troons and the military anyways? It seems like a ton of military guys troon out. Are mentally ill men more likely to join, or does serving and getting PTSD and stuff make them go crazy. Russell Williams would have probably trooned out if he were born a little later. I'm kind of surprised he doesn't now identify as trans in prison.

This would be a perfect research question for a psychology PhD.

But unless you framed the research question and the results according to the Woke left narrative, nobody at any university would supervise or support it, even if they thought it was interesting, because they would be hounded out of academia.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

Is it possible, that they enlist just to get the health insurance that pays for their hrt and surgeries? Maybe such rates of trooning out in military aren't a thing in countries with universal healthcare.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Is it possible, that they enlist just to get the health insurance that pays for their hrt and surgeries?

Plenty of them have openly stated this was a reason to enlist. They expect to get through basic and then immediately go onto medical leave for the majority of their service term, first for psych evaluations and then for all their troon surgery.

 

[Lain The Tranny Beater]

first for psych evaluations and then for all their troon surgery.

I know the short bus comes every morning, but the weekends. But there's no fucking that they're that retarded. Half the veterans now have to jump through fucking hoops for a fucking normal doctor's visit.

Their retarded asses are going on desk duty the moment they pretend to be crazy. I've seen serial DUIs get away with more shit then these retards ever will. Fuck, at least use the system to get yourself a shitty IT certification. Maybe they can stay home and pretend to be UwU anime lolis. The public and taxpayers have been punished enough for these inbred retards.

 

[Deer Warts]

THE JOURNEY (Bye Bye)

you're takin' those shots and growin' those moobs
tuckin' your junk, make it all look smooth
in your lacy panties feel the boner swell
do you really really think that nobody can tell?

puttin' on a bra, feel that pure trans joy
news flash, everybody knows you're a boy
you say you're Jill but we know that you're Jack
and we're all laughin' at you behind your back

ex why ex why we know you're a guy
ex why we won't play along with your lie
ex why ex why we know you're a guy
ex why all your friends are wavin' goodbye

your hands are huge and your hips are square
it's easy to see you're a dude under there
you're makin' everybody around you a liar
and if you pass, so does Mrs. Doubtfire

oh your wife's so mean, you say boo hoo hoo,
but you don't give a damn what you're putting her through
oh boo hoo hoo, oh you're oh so sad,
but your poor little kids just want their dad

ex why ex why they know you're a guy
ex why they won't play along with the lie
ex why ex why they know you're a guy
ex why and your family's wavin' goodbye

don't matter how much you make up your face
there's a 5 o'clock shadow that you'll never erase
you think that you look so cute in your skirt
but everybody sees a sad pervert

ex why ex why we know you're a guy (pervert, pervert)
ex why we won't play along with your lie
ex why ex why we know you're a guy
ex why and your family's wavin' goodbye

ex why and soon you'll be going bye bye

*

AI vocals, backing track and image. Lyrics are mine. And every word is true.

Any suggestions of other threads where this could be shared are welcome.

More info: Losing people to transgenderism support thread
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[Loony Lovegood]

Here's a site of trans actors etc if anyone wants a good laugh. See how many valid identities you can guess right.

Lol lmao even

 

[Arbiter]

Here's a site of trans actors etc if anyone wants a good laugh. See how many valid identities you can guess right.

Lol lmao even

Thought it was funny that this guy simply goes by "woman", so I looked him up:

 

[The Secret Sauce]

What's with troons and the military anyways? It seems like a ton of military guys troon out. Are mentally ill men more likely to join, or does serving and getting PTSD and stuff make them go crazy. Russell Williams would have probably trooned out if he were born a little later. I'm kind of surprised he doesn't now identify as trans in prison.

I think the fact that they're also known for high suicidality says it all. Serving in the modern US military destroys your soul, and drives you to self-destruction.

 

[Paper Machete]

But there's no fucking that they're that retarded. Half the veterans now have to jump through fucking hoops for a fucking normal doctor's visit.

They do a lot of the time. There was an article even written about one I remember being posted here.

The VA hospital and such only covers stuff that happened to you during your enlistment if I'm not mistaken. Which is probably why there is all the hoop jumping. It has to be proven that any help with your health you're seeking is a direct result of being injured in service. Someone else could probably explain better, but yeah. People have this picture in their head of some combat vet gone crazy from nightmares that decides lingerie is the way to fix his issues but it's usually perverts that sign on in the hopes they get medical care covered (it got covered because retards apparently didn't realize that the "treatments" actually make you less physically capable since so many for a long time aside from the pushers knew how the sausage was actually made).

 

[2mm and 99 others]

Here's a site of trans actors etc if anyone wants a good laugh. See how many valid identities you can guess right.

Lol lmao even

Funny that, many of those marked just as "Woman" or "Female" look worse than those who admit to be trans. Also there is a disabled boomer troon "Female with a trans history" - it seems a new term has dropped?

 

[chromatic_oxygen]

Random thought that I had, wouldn't mind hearing some takes on it

In my younger and more spergy days I liked to roleplay on MMOs, specifically WoW but there were a few others, and something I started to notice with the other RPers was a slow but sudden uptick in the amount of people whose characters would be Trans - it was never FtM though, it was ALWAYS MtF, and almost always they'd be Night Elves or Draenei, sometimes Blood Elves.

It's no shocker that their character descriptions were usually depicting them as curvy big boobed valid goddesses who just happened to pack massive meat, there's no debate that they were all pornbrained. But something I thought about today had me thinking.

It's a very safe assumption that they're trans-women in real life, and that making their character a tranny as well is just blatant self-insertion. You wouldn't know the character was a tranny unless it said so in their RP profile. They could easily have roleplayed as fully biological women with actual OEM snizzes. But instead, they made their characters appear outwardly female, extremely feminine with grossly exaggerated features and retained the prestigious title of tranny by having a schlong.

Maybe I'm thinking into it too much, but if you're a male who wants to be a woman and you're self-inserting yourself into a character, why wouldn't you just... make the character a woman? Isn't that what you want, to be a real woman? And doesn't signifying that character as a trans woman specifically kind of go against their whole dogma of "trans women are women"? If they are, why highlight the difference when you have complete creative control over your character?

This isn't just in RP, I've seen this in Discord servers where the ubiquitous tranny mod is telling everyone about their hardcore smut fanfic they're writing and how the main character is MtF and that's totally not a coincidence and they're just writing what they know.

You claim to know what it's like to be a woman, you claim to be a woman, but your characters entire persona is based around being a trans woman, not a woman.

Idk maybe I'm just a retard and I have too much free time to think

 

[Arbiter]

Maybe I'm thinking into it too much, but if you're a male who wants to be a woman and you're self-inserting yourself into a character, why wouldn't you just... make the character a woman?

I think one of the biggest peaking materials is that statistic that most MtFs choose to keep their dicks. The second peakening after that is seeing how almost ALL of them agree their ideal would be to have both a penis and a vagina (sometimes simultaneously, some days one or the other interchangeably). There was a reddit thread where someone posted about getting experimental "penile-preserving vaginoplasty" and all the comments, from guys who had chosen to keep their penis to guys who had chosen to get vaginoplasty, all agreed that they would have rather chosen a penile-preserving vaginoplasty if only they had known that was a possibility. They don't want to be women, they want to be coom monsters with access to women's spaces and the societal trust and care afforded to women.

I've noticed that most MtFs get more upset being referred to as a man than they do being referred to as "not a woman", if that makes sense. Being "not a man" is ultimately more important to them than being a woman. A lot of them are totally comfortable being seen as genderfluid, they/she/it, femboy, genderconfusion, dickgirl whatevers, but call them a man and you send them spiraling. Sure, making people call them a woman gives them euphoria (boners), but most seem to be content to get through life being seen as not a man. Calling them a man is what explicitly enrages them. Being clocked (as a man) is what makes them despair. Being called "sir" makes them freak out. I think a lot of them rightfully feel deep shame about being a failmale and want to run away from the responsibilities of being a man.

 

[chromatic_oxygen]

There was a reddit thread where someone posted about getting experimental "penile-preserving vaginoplasty" and all the comments, from guys who had chosen to keep their penis to guys who had chosen to get vaginoplasty, all agreed that they would have rather chosen a penile-preserving vaginoplasty if only they had known that was a possibility. They don't want to be women, they want to be coom monsters with access to women's spaces and the societal trust and care afforded to women.

I suppose if I gave myself a quick lobotomy and tried to see things through their lens of "gender is a feeling, it's not based on physical features" that KINDA makes sense... but even then that defeats their argument about being let into women's locker rooms/bathrooms/salons. That shit about keeping their penises while having a vagina is funny as hell though, it's pretty obvious (at least to me) what the origin of that is.

Bit of a sidebar but I really hope the Tumblr exodus over them banning porn is studied by future anthropologists. So much of what's happened over the past decade can be pinned on that.

 

[Fishcat]

Be with me for a second. Of course we are all used to seeing the extreme ones who are all in on the delusion or who merely have a thinly veiled fetish, but there do exist some less sensational ones who actively don't want to transition but still struggle with significant dysphoria (whether social or physical). Maybe they're on the fence and haven't teetered over the abyss of temptation yet, or they already transitioned and have continuous regrets, or they look like normal people but have a slew of gender-related unrest in their mind. The person that I am describing disagrees with the fundamental belief that you can or should change your gender, but is still mentally unwell about wishing that they could. Might overlap with transmedicalists.

What help is out there for such a person? The "go to therapy" copout is flawed because therapists are often lib/affirming, bound by rules that restrict their ability to discourage transgender identity, or just unfamiliar with the whole ordeal as it's a fairly specialized set of mental problems. Most conservative-minded people do not "get" the condition at all, and most people who know the ins and outs are encouraging of transition. There are no organized resources that I know of which are against transitioning yet which have advice beyond "um, just don't do it and stop caring". I am not counting informal detrans groups as they are composed of random people who often have an unconstructive "let's all complain and whine" tone, and don't cover those who have not actually transitioned despite having gender issues.

Compare it to something like anorexia. If you're reductionalist about it, then yes, the solution is literally as simple as "you are not fat, so stop worrying about it or starving yourself." But it is known that anorexics have more complex disturbances in their thoughts and emotions such that even someone who factually understands that they are unhealthily underweight and wishes to recover will struggle and feel internal turmoil. For instance, sometimes it's more about the feeling of having strict control over something than about the weight. It isn't a simple matter of someone believing in an untrue fact, but of having a mental illness, and by definition mental illness involves illogical thinking that they can't just snap out of.

I do not deny that many people are just being easily influenced, but I think a lot of the rhetoric that claims it's 100% a social trend and saying to just get offline misses the complexity of the issue for people who have genuine dysphoria. We all know that both men and women face societal gender norms that may be hard, and that both sexes can struggle with body image. Some people are genuinely socially misfit for their sex (perhaps they're autistic)—like you can repeat that gender roles are made up until you're blue in the face, but if someone has a lot of interests and mannerisms associated with the opposite sex, the reality is that they will face some friction in the world even if everyone agrees that sex is biological.

I think there exists an unhelpful binary where you either see people who have never ever had issues with gender OR people who actively transition, which leaves the in-betweeners vulnerable towards toppling towards the latter. Both sides often act like having any amount of wanting to be the opposite sex means you can never be normal and are fated to commit to the trans camp. There is not much out there that presents options besides transitioning to those who are having issues, and I believe that it's a much needed niche both to prevent transitions and help people out of transitions. Thoughts?

Spoiler: People I personally know

I know a MtF who doesn't like the whole concept of transitioning and who knows that he's a man (and is fine with me referring to him as such because he knows it's true), but has dysphoria. He took HRT for a while but fortunately quit because he recognizes that it's destructive, although he still uses a female name and has issues.

I don't know him super well, but I am acquainted with a MtF who has transitioned for years (including HRT, assuming no surgery) and is having doubts. He is interested in becoming Christian but it's a challenge since, y'know, there aren't many people like him. Someone like him has to untangle and detach from the last several years of his life and will probably face a lack of understanding from all sides, so he's understandably nervous.

I know a woman who has a personality that's considered masculine in a lot of ways. She talks in a direct and less emotional way, hates a lot of stuff that's popular with women, and is overall kinda "male-socialized" in a way that's uncommon for a girl. She doesn't agree with trans stuff or have many body image hangups but she struggles socially a lot since her personality and interests clash with most other women. She's autistic. This person claims to have always had a feeling of "being more like a boy in a way" since childhood and strongly considered transitioning once she knew about it, so it's sort of a miracle that she didn't end up going for it, especially as a zoomer. I think she still has issues about it although she wouldn't pursue transition.

 

[Doktor Grimm]

Be with me for a second. Of course we are all used to seeing the extreme ones who are all in on the delusion or who merely have a thinly veiled fetish, but there do exist some less sensational ones who actively don't want to transition but still struggle with significant dysphoria (whether social or physical). Maybe they're on the fence and haven't teetered over the abyss of temptation yet, or they already transitioned and have continuous regrets, or they look like normal people but have a slew of gender-related unrest in their mind. The person that I am describing disagrees with the fundamental belief that you can or should change your gender, but is still mentally unwell about wishing that they could. Might overlap with transmedicalists.

What help is out there for such a person?

It's a disorder of integrity, so usually a whole lot of mental construction and delaying-the-inevitable, but there's good stuff out there if you know where to look.

Gender roles have little to do with it; "transsexual" people do not perceive themselves in the same way as effeminate men or masculine women (although the external manifestation might be similar). Their condition seems to stem from a failure to internalise the ontological function of their sex, and that, I suspect, is something beyond the grasp of therapy or cognitive restructuring. How can you train someone to experience the world as the one-who-bears or the one-who-sows, if they aren't already doing that by virtue of their biology?

Transitioning doesn't work, obviously -- it'll never get them to where they want to be, and believing that it will makes things a billion times worse -- but the alternatives are only marginally less dubious. r/detrans posters will tell you to be gay and repeat positive mantras into the mirror with your shirt off. 4trannies will tell you to abuse psychedelics until you top yourself. All these "solutions" are just various ways of kicking the can down the road.

It's hard to say whether gender dysphoria (in its oldschool early-onset variation) even has a permanent cure -- it could very well be a lifelong neurosis in the vein of BIID, which it shares basically all of its symptoms with. A sustainable solution to transsexualism would most likely require the person in question to have reference to something outside of themselves, so that they might accept, perhaps even love, the role assigned to them without necessarily experiencing it on a fundamental level. Otherwise it's really tough.

 

[Stan]

Why do so many troons and pooners honestly believe they are 'stealth'? That is, that normal people can't look at them and recognize they're trans? Are they just huffing copium, or are they serious?

Some troons even think that so many of them are 100% stealth that it makes bathroom bans unenforceable, because some real women with masculine features would get caught in the dragnet while all the totes 100% stealth troons go have a stealthy pee in the women's.

When I hear this troon canard about how "you can't clock people like that, that's gender profiling, you don't really know if she's trans" it reminds me of the average pitbull enjoyer saying "you can't tell which dogs are pit bulls just by looking at them." You can! It's insulting to imply that ordinary people can't discern the gender of other people around them, no matter how much trans activists want to split hairs about "what is female" and try to obfuscate the issue by trying to pare gender down to clothes, makeup or social behavior. That kind of sophistry makes me genuinely angry.

TL;DR we can always tell and there is no "stealth", if people are courteous to troons on the street it's because they're courteous, not because the troons are fooling them.