Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Baraadmirer]

Say “I’m not sure” which is kinda true because how can you possibly be sure about something that is intrinsically bullshit, and similar to the above maybe means you’re gender-questioning which makes you heckin valid.

I'd be careful with this one as they may see you as a potential egg to crack.

 

[cia-log]

Honestly you should. The young men of today need good role models, especially now with the single mom epidemic and troon groomers and pinkos trying to reach them first. I had an old mentor who was like a second grandpa when i was a teenager and it really helped me out.

I wasn't sure how much of this story I wanted to share, but what the hell.

Some years ago I was in a discord server that was splintered off another one that itself was splintered off of a bigger one that got mismanaged into being unusable. Since it was a smaller group most of the people in the server recognized one another, but eventually more people started getting invited from the group we had broken off from as some of the members still interacted in that group looking for people to bring along. Fine, whatever, except a few of the new people were minors, around 14 years old or so.

I didn't have a problem with there being minors in the group, with the exception that because it's discord and a lot of the people in the server were LGBT, the kids that joined really liked to talk about sex and sexual topics as though they were grownups. This was about the point where I got closest to being some kind of mentor for one of them, we had a couple conversations where I explained that I understood where he was coming from, I certainly wanted to feel like an adult at that age too, but imagine actually being an adult and a kid starts talking to you that way. Not really the kid's fault and I didn't want him to feel like he was being kicked out of the big boys club, but it was my responsibility to explain that boundary to him, and the other minors (who cared a lot less for what I had to say)

Aside from talking to the kids about their behavior I had a talk with the other adults in the server. I made my case that not only should minors not be talking about sex with adults, but the adults shouldn't be talking about sex with each other where minors are present. Everyone agreed and the server calmed down, and there were no incidents following that one for the next couple months. Or at least that's what I thought, because after some time the kid I had initially talked to messaged a bunch of us in the group and explained that after we drew a line in the sand about sexually explicit topics, a couple of the adults just started talking to him privately about it instead. He went along with it because he felt validated by it, until the conversations got to a point where it seemed they were trying to move things beyond the internet into real life, and it just became too real for him.

That's why as much as I think kids being able to interact with adults and share things they've done and get validation for it is a good thing, I just think it's too dangerous online. As far as those teenagers were concerned, we the adults were all more or less the same in terms of who they could trust, and so they really couldn't tell us apart when it came to who had the intention to take advantage of them, and those of us without predatory intentions had no idea this all was going on. I'm still grossed out by it, and until I can think of how this sort of thing can be guarded against I'm just going to avoid it entirely.

 

[AMHOLIO]

You are all wise and greatly comforting to me. I think I was just trippin.

Sometimes you see some maddening shit and it just be like that for a bit, no big.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

I don't mind you questioning psych (that's what this thread is about - trans people are currently popular psych), I just cannot be assed to provide papers on how each individual has mental problems and were friends with these guys long enough that they discussed their problems with me. My apologies, like all internet people I should be taken with a grain of salt of course.

I don't want to derail the thread because it's no longer about trannyism anymore and i'm risking of powerleveling myself, but my logic for doubting the existence of neurodivergent conditions (as a label that accurately describe nature and not simply a collection of behavior that we decided as) is similar to the logic of doubting the existence of 'trans brain'. Both groups speak how their brains are different and that their conditions are legit but both also failed to provide anything solid. I'm not saying that their issues are not real but rather the assumption that we have a clear idea of what it is and how to treat them (e.g. troons thinking tha transition is the only answr)

I see the behaviors you listed and I know you're lazy but the thing is, these things you listed are subjective and can be from other reasons too. I don't want to make the post too long. - but I think it's something that's heavily related to trans debate we're talking too. Troons recruit their new members by convincing them that any life inconveniences must be a symptom of 'gender dysphoria'. School is boring and a child can have impulse control issues for various reasons, sometimes they don't feel 'safety' in their life or not taught that way, emotional hypersensitivity/taking things too personally can come from insecurity and fear of rejection, and I know that some kids raised in highly controlling homeschooling can have something similar to 'special interests' because they're not exposed to many social peers and popular media, and they ended up latching into something to cope with their situation, this will lessens as they get older and move to more freer environments.

And feeling 'immature for your age' isn't just a neurodivergent thing, a friend of mine who's working in a factory and raised in a shitty town with an enmeshed mother expressed the same feeling when he compares himself to people in the city who's confident, in the known of 'culture', and works in corporate roles.

Looking for advice on a hypothetical situation that hopefully won't come up.
In my dotage I have decided to make up for my wasted youth and get a degree to further my career. So far most of my classes have been online but now that I'm nearing the end I'm going to have to take some in person shit. My major isn't something stupid like sociology or history so it's not entirely likely I'll have to introduce myself and say my pronouns or whatever, but I guess it could happen and I sure don't wanna. I'm not that principled but I just think this stuff is all so stupid. I don't want to play into it on any level, but I don't want to rock the boat and jeopardize my situation. Anyone have any particularly elegant get out of jail free cards for this? I was considering just acting like I'd never even heard of it before.

I've been doing the 'any pronouns', 'call me what you like' in the gender goblins infested places when someone asked me and it seems to work. I'd say that it's better to refrain from saying that you don't have pronouns or you don't care because these people will notice that it's a red flag for shitlords and heretics. It seems like most heccin valid 'agender' people go with they/them. it's another 'gender' for them.
Don't underestimate these people, they can sniff you right out.

And it's actually my stance, I don't mind what people call me, I've been 'misgendered' all the time online.

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

A decade ago, when troon shit was first becoming a topic of discussion online during early 2010s dumblr, I supported the transmedicalist/truscum side because it seemed more credible than the uwu bunself mogai side. Nowadays, I'm leaning towards the opposite. Some self indulgent teenage girl wanting stupid pronouns will never be nearly as horrifying as the modern lobotomies that troons willingly undergo and demand easy access to.

I'm sure this has been discussed before but does anyone else find the way trannies refer to themselves/others as "girls" very telling and creepy? I can't imagine what logical gymnastics you'd have to do to not realise the arrested development you're going through as a 20+ year old referring to themselves as a child. I've also noticed people, usually MTFs, doing this with "boys" too (cute boys, femboys, sissy boys) It's always boys and girls, like these people never truly reached sexual maturity and instead fell deep into the porn rabbit hole where they never developed the social skills necessary to express their sexuality in a healthy way. Most times I've seen this either as a precursor to or in parallel with trooning out.

Don't mean to go on too much of a rant, but I'm tired of everything being sexual in such a fucking gross way with these people.

You think them calling themselves "girl" is bad? Enjoy a 75 year old talking about how horny his "pubescent boobs" make him. I wonder how much CP this guy has saved to his hard drive.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Since Ive got into drawing graphs and diagrams for everything I did this

Breadtubers always show the left graph as justification for trooning but what their actual solution is the Blue one, not the Red one as it should be.

 

[Jacques1194]

So the U.S government knows what a woman is when they need military recruitment. https://www.sss.gov/register/who-needs-to-register/#p7 From the article. "US citizens or immigrants who are born male and changed their gender to female are still required to register. Individuals who are born female and changed their gender to male are not required to register." This makes me really wonder why the U.S government and the left is hell bent on pushing tranny shit down people's throats when even they dont believe their own bullshit.Again this reminds me of when the war between Russia and Ukraine began we've seen stories from both TIMs and TIFs.TIMs were forced to stay and fight whereas TIFs suddenly remembered"Oh were not actually men" and fled.

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

I will never understand the "if they feel that they're a woman, they ARE a woman" argument and why it doesn't extend to other situations.

If a 60 year old man feels like an 8 year old girl, should we be OK with him going to school with 8 year old girls?

If a white man feels like a black man, given that lefties think race is entirely a social construct anyway, should we affirm his chosen race?

There are people who feel like they should be disabled. For instance, they might feel like they belong in a wheelchair and they grow to hate their own legs. In some cases, a person might cause themselves a serious injury to force an amputation. Should we be OK with this?

What about eunuchs? Is that a legit "identity"? If a man wants to have his cock and balls removed, so he's literally got no genitals at all, should we be cool with that? Is the chopping off of his tackle "gender-affirming care"?

Any time you try and talk to troons or TRAs about this stuff, they have nothing in response, as if it's some proven fact that you can have a "gendered soul" that's a mismatch for your sex, despite there being no evidence for that.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Since some countries, namely Canada and the UK, I think, have started making misgendering a crime, which country would be the most likely to implement the death penalty for misgendering first? And if a country does implement such laws, how quickly will others follow suit?

Also, in regards to married people with children who troon out, how many of them choose not to get a divorce, just for the purpose of not needing to pay child support?

 

[Susanna]

What about eunuchs? Is that a legit "identity"? If a man wants to have his cock and balls removed, so he's literally got no genitals at all, should we be cool with that? Is the chopping off of his tackle "gender-affirming care"?

Well, yeah? If a man wants to get castrated, I'll see that as his choice. He should probably not be allowed to do so on a whim, it sounds like something he's likely to regret in the future, but if it's his sincere wish the only one it really harms is himself.
I don't dislike trannies because they're men who take hormones, or because they get cosmetic surgery, or because they desire the weirdest form of castration I can think of, I dislike them because they want to force me to play along in their mental illness. I'd be fine with a man doing all the former things to himself as long as he stays away from me.

Of course I'm lucky enough to live in a country not infested by this cult, so my views are probably a lot tamer than they'd be if I actually lived around trannies.

 

[Space Police]

It's honestly mindboggling that young people are deciding to rebel by identifying with meaningless woke labels. There's nothing interesting or subversive about them, and woke is a movement funded by the same boring neurotypical white cis-het men they claim to hate. They aren't subverting the establishment; they're playing into it! I know that a large part of it is attention-seeking, but most people view woke in a neutral-to-negative light and aren't interested in hearing you bang on about what set of labels you have this week. Romanticizing being gay, POC, or disabled also shows how privileged they are, not just because many of them don't want to be an uncool oppressor, but also because they totally missed the point of tolerance -- that gay, black, or disabled people are no different from white, straight, or able people. On top of that, troonism (and "queerness" in general) is based on homophobic and misogynistic ideas created by straight white men, many of whom liked to try on their wife's underwear, so when woke kids claim that their transness/"queerness" is anti-establishment, pot meet kettle.

 

[Jacques1194]

So it finally happened.A friend of mine who runs a discord with around 60k people admitted in a PC that he's getting fed up with the teenagers on there because 99% of the time all these kids talk about is gender and sexuality.

Just wanted to update on this, but I had a talk with both a bisexual, and lesbian on the discord and even they admitted that LGBT obsession in general(not just trans)has gotten out of control.One stated that it’s so weird how much importance these teens put into both gender and sexualities for characters.Like they don’t actually enjoy the show at all and it's really sad. there’s no real place to go if you’re a more serious fan of a show (even the one that our discord centers around.)because every app you've tried to find a community on, it’s overrun by those people.The bisexual stated that its sad how the show in particular has given fans at least two gay couples, and yet that isn't enough for teens because they want two other character pairings to be a canon gay couple as well.In a video game for the show there were two characters that you can debate whether or not they're trans, but if you take them as canon trans then that's still not enough for them, and they target the cis-straight characters and insist their character sheets are lying about being cis-straight.She goes on to say that having every character as gay and trans
would be weirder because it loses the realistic part of the representation.Then again these fans dont want representation they just hate anyone who isn't part of the LGBT umbrella.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I will never understand the "if they feel that they're a woman, they ARE a woman" argument and why it doesn't extend to other situations.

The closest thing I have seen to an actual explanation for why Dylan Mulvaney is *valid* but Rachel Dolezal is not is that racism is real, but sexism isn't. So a white person claiming to be non white is doing a heckin' oppression of black people. Because that's a privileged person insulting a marginalised person. But a man claiming to be a woman is no big deal, because misogyny is over and no big deal.

On the topic of black people. The Maasai people of Kenya are one of the few sizeable people groups who still live something resembling the pre colonial lifestyles that leftists always fetishise. But I remember a bunch of liberals on twitter trying to cancel them for being problematic (can't be bothered finding the tweets). Because of the bit in "What is a Woman?" where Matt Walsh goes to Kenya to explain transgenderism to them, and they all responded by going "that is the stupidest shit I ever heard." To be fair, the Maasai do some fucked up things, including genital mutilation ceremonies, but that's the reality of what precolonial African societies were like. Pro trans leftists love to talk about how noble Africans were and how they had dozens of different genders before the white man ruined things by teaching them about male and female. But then they encounter actual African culture and they cannot handle it.

 

[Jacques1194]

The closest thing I have seen to an actual explanation for why Dylan Mulvaney is *valid* but Rachel Dolezal is not is that racism is real, but sexism isn't. So a white person claiming to be non white is doing a heckin' oppression of black people. Because that's a privileged person insulting a marginalised person. But a man claiming to be a woman is no big deal, because misogyny is over and no big deal.

I think its also because they've convinced themselves that transgender has "science" backing it up whereas transracial doesn't.Nevermind the fact that I've noticed TRAs keep moving the goal post when it comes to any neurological basis for trans.They first insisted that trans women have female brains, but now the argument seems to be "Trans women's brains are wired similarly to cis women's.There's no such thing as male or female brains."My guess as to why they moved the goal post to this is because if male and female brains exist then it would invalidate non binaries.Herd an argument where a non binary person's brain is wired to be like neither sex.Either way its still so strange me that if the concept of transgenderism is true that some how its only possible for someone to be trapped inside the wrong body when it comes to their sex.Some how its impossible for someone to be trapped in the wrong race's, ethnicity, age, etc body, but sex is where its possible.P.S:I also find it strange how this only seems to happen to human beings, and no other animal.Not even our close ape relatives has cases of "Male monkey's brain is wired like a female monkey's."

 

[TruffleSpark]

I think its also because they've convinced themselves that transgender has "science" backing it up whereas transracial doesn't.Nevermind the fact that I've noticed TRAs keep moving the goal post when it comes to any neurological basis for trans.They first insisted that trans women have female brains, but now the argument seems to be "Trans women's brains are wired similarly to cis women's.

The "female brain in male body" argument is one of those things they fall back on and abandon depending on how convenient it is in the moment. The main problem with it is that it is just an actual falsifiable claim. If a troon says "my brain is actually more female than male" you can ask him if he has had a CT scan to confirm that. Because we have the technology to test that claim. Of course he has not, which opens up the question of why CT scans are not part of the diagnostic criteria for transgenderism. Because if brain sex was a real thing then surely it would be.

 

[Kumquat]

Just wanted to update on this, but I had a talk with both a bisexual, and lesbian on the discord and even they admitted that LGBT obsession in general(not just trans)has gotten out of control.One stated that it’s so weird how much importance these teens put into both gender and sexualities for characters.Like they don’t actually enjoy the show at all and it's really sad. there’s no real place to go if you’re a more serious fan of a show (even the one that our discord centers around.)because every app you've tried to find a community on, it’s overrun by those people.The bisexual stated that its sad how the show in particular has given fans at least two gay couples, and yet that isn't enough for teens because they want two other character pairings to be a canon gay couple as well.In a video game for the show there were two characters that you can debate whether or not they're trans, but if you take them as canon trans then that's still not enough for them, and they target the cis-straight characters and insist their character sheets are lying about being cis-straight.She goes on to say that having every character as gay and trans
would be weirder because it loses the realistic part of the representation.Then again these fans dont want representation they just hate anyone who isn't part of the LGBT umbrella.

I have a friend who was very much on the progressive "LGBT rights" side of things, and even he has admitted to me in private that this identity politics obsession and rampant LGBT nonsense has gotten way out of hand.

People rate me optimistic, but I really do think the tide is turning. Even pro-LGBT people are starting to recognize how bad shit has gotten and are starting to change their tune. Transgenderism just might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

[Jacques1194]

The main problem with it is that it is just an actual falsifiable claim. If a troon says "my brain is actually more female than male" you can ask him if he has had a CT scan to confirm that. Because we have the technology to test that claim. Of course he has not, which opens up the question of why CT scans are not part of the diagnostic criteria for transgenderism. Because if brain sex was a real thing then surely it would be.

Actually I've herd of an excuse for this.They claim that such brain scans haven't met the bar for FDA approval for diagnosis.They insisted that maybe some time in the future it will get there,or maybe there are too many flaws.They just don't know, and its a decade away from common practice.I dont know anything about the FDA but the TIP told me that the organization doesn't approve ANYTHING that's only been replicated by one group. They require peer review. They require replication.Here's the thing though, trans people have said trans brains have had over a decade of research backing it.How has the FDA not approve of CT scans as part of the diagnostics yet with all this science that has been backing troons yet?Also noticed how the troon is uncertain of why the FDA hasn't approved of it yet, and the excuses are either "maybe it has too many flows?"or they're being optimistic and hope that in a decade more research backs trans people.

 

[AMHOLIO]

People rate me optimistic, but I really do think the tide is turning. Even pro-LGBT people are starting to recognize how bad shit has gotten and are starting to change their tune. Transgenderism just might be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

Optimistism isn't always delusional or unrealistic. Some farmers are just super depressed and have a too narrow worldview to process it. That's something they have to work on themselves as people. Some don't think it will happen as fast as you say it will and think you're predicting things too fast, but they would be on board if you were right and they were wrong.

Stay realistic, but also, stay optimistic. It can't rain all the time, just be prepared for both negative and positive outcomes.

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

Nothing new, but every day in clown world is an out of body experience. It's so bizarre how inured to the insanity of their own statements people are. The speed that troonery jumped up on the conversational sacrosanctity pedestal is wild; people still make cracks about the Gs, Ls, and Bs in polite company they wouldn't dream of making about a T. The daily make-believe these adults play at even when no troons are present is just... it's like watching people flap their arms and talk straightfaced about the joys of flying around town.  Everybody knows this is bullshit.

 

[deermeat]

Being in this one server which has a lot of troons in it and it's quite frankly disturbing seeing them talk about GRS like it's no biggie. They really do think they are getting an actual vag. It's sad bro... They mention how their other trans buddies got it too, and now they want it. They are always poly-obsessed, gee I wonder why. I really do think GRS is becoming more and more popular.

It definitely killed my mood for tonight. I wanna shit on troons so bad, I wanna just brush them all off as crazy. But at the end of the day, fetish or not, predatory or not, they're victims of a horrible medical scam.