And as Reddit completes its Walmart takeover of groups and messageboards, old people who just want to discuss grilling are forced to at least pay lip service to the sitewide speech restrictions, making it easier for a new member with a few oppression cards to steamroll over a quiet community.
That is one reason why I am here, and on smaller message boards that are not friendly to snowflakes with mods backup. I haven't seen a message board they haven't ruined.
I swear, there are some kids who only live on Reddit to find a reason to be offended and get their precious oppression karma.
That is one reason why I am here, and on smaller message boards that are not friendly to snowflakes with mods backup. I haven't seen a message board they haven't ruined.
I wish more people saw the Reddit-as-Walmart comparison.
Small mom-and-pop sperg communities on boards and newsgroups all over, but then as people get busy or there's changeover, it's just easier to move to Reddit. No more technical concerns, you can have the same mods, you get more foot traffic, and instead of having the off-topic recipe board on your Transformers BB and the off-topic recipe board on your fly fishing BB, you can be in r/transformers and r/flyfishing and r/recipes, on the same account. Then, the site-wide TOS changes start to hit, the same way the prices increase and the hours shorten, and the other stores and other BBs have been forced to close.
It's paying the hidden price for convenience, on the installment plan. It's SJWs and troons, but it could have been whatever else the advertisers wanted instead.
This is something I've been thinking about, too. When I was a kid on the Internet, you weren't supposed to admit to being a kid. I'm sure some people figured it out, but I was on my very best behavior trying to interact as a peer with adults. On rec.music.dylan, so the stakes weren't all that high, but it was still a standard.
I guess I can PL a little here, when I was a teenager I'd go on various IRC channels for things that interested me, mostly career oriented things like different engineering topics, I'd introduce myself and try to talk to people who were older and ask them for help with various things, ask them about their jobs and so on. I got mentored by a few guys who knew I was a teenager, so they treated me with a certain kindness and patience that I really appreciated, talked about their jobs and families and so on. It really helped me find the trajectory I wanted to be on in life pretty early on.
Now I'm aging into the position these guys were in when they mentored me, and every time I think about taking a curious kid under my wing all I can think is hell no. Kids these days looking for older role models online have their inboxes filled with weirdos talking to them like "uwu im sad today send me a pic" I've personally seen it happen twice and both times I felt guilty for even giving the kids advice, because it encouraged them to keep coming back to an online space where they'd be taken advantage of by someone, even if I had nothing to do with it myself. Nowadays I don't even interact in online spaces where it's not explicitly understood that everyone involved is an adult, barring a very small handful surrounding technical subjects.
Kids these days looking for older role models online have their inboxes filled with weirdos talking to them like "uwu im sad today send me a pic" I've personally seen it happen twice and both times I felt guilty for even giving the kids advice, because it encouraged them to keep coming back to an online space where they'd be taken advantage of by someone, even if I had nothing to do with it myself.
AGP's are fucking disgusting and among some there's actually a double standard where they treat them better than they treat real women.
If a real woman speaks candidly about her body and any insecurities or medical issues and she speaks about her anatomy frankly/openly, she's going to be shamed and told she's not being appropriate and it's not lady like to be that frank about one's body. (I'm not here to argue this point this is not what this vent is about)
If a man in a skirt who gets hard when he puts on said skirt, talks frankly about his body, he's stunning and brave.
Though I suppose the fact that this double standard exists kind of indicates that the types calling transwomen stunning and brave don't really see them as women, or at least not the same as females.
On the other hand, imagine how demoralising it will be to make it 18+ and STILL have the same problem with Genderspecials.
It's not just dumb teens anymore...
I agree that there are 18+ people into gender, but honestly the teens are just beyond annoying since they make up the majority of genderspecials.Also not to get into too much detail but there was some shit that went down in the discord that made him want to make it 18+.Teens just cause too much drama, and i'll be glad that the discord will be some what peaceful without them.
I'm sure this has been discussed before but does anyone else find the way trannies refer to themselves/others as "girls" very telling and creepy? I can't imagine what logical gymnastics you'd have to do to not realise the arrested development you're going through as a 20+ year old referring to themselves as a child. I've also noticed people, usually MTFs, doing this with "boys" too (cute boys, femboys, sissy boys) It's always boys and girls, like these people never truly reached sexual maturity and instead fell deep into the porn rabbit hole where they never developed the social skills necessary to express their sexuality in a healthy way. Most times I've seen this either as a precursor to or in parallel with trooning out.
Don't mean to go on too much of a rant, but I'm tired of everything being sexual in such a fucking gross way with these people.
Transexuals / NB faggots who say "you are a pervert" for wondering what is in their pants are up their own ass. EVERY other person implicitly says "I have a penis" / "I have a vagina" when they say they are a man or a woman, and the "you are a pervert" is 100% a deflection because they don't like their ruse being questioned.
Even if you directly asked anyone normal, at worst they'd probably give you a weird look and a "no shit I've got a penis dumbass" but this isn't because its perverted, its because its so fucking obvious, its normally retarded to ask.
Also, because I want to put this shit SOMEWHERE, this video by made me laugh because its played as a 100% straight memorial to bubba copeland, but it also casually mentions his fetish stories about murder at 2 minute mark, and posting underage kids in trans reddits. It also links to shit like reduxx, which is trans critical. Seems like a brilliant, absolutely subtle troll, while keeping in charecter of "ooooh, so saaaad". I just wanted to document this somewhere because the subtlety of it I think has a little brilliance to it. Could be coincidental, but its funny either way.
maybe others won't find this as amusing, but considering every other person defending him EITHER didn't DARE mention the fanfics or said "IT WAS PRIVATE, IT WAS JUST FANTASY SHUT UP", this made me laugh.
Are troons the new emos? They are very similar since they are both known for being mentally ill, mutilating and killing themselves. Im worried about what happens to the kids who trooned out 20 years from now. You can stop dying your hair blue and quit wearing eyeliner. But you cant grow your dick/titties back or go through puberty as an adult
I guess I can PL a little here, when I was a teenager I'd go on various IRC channels for things that interested me, mostly career oriented things like different engineering topics, I'd introduce myself and try to talk to people who were older and ask them for help with various things, ask them about their jobs and so on. I got mentored by a few guys who knew I was a teenager, so they treated me with a certain kindness and patience that I really appreciated, talked about their jobs and families and so on. It really helped me find the trajectory I wanted to be on in life pretty early on.
Now I'm aging into the position these guys were in when they mentored me, and every time I think about taking a curious kid under my wing all I can think is hell no. Kids these days looking for older role models online have their inboxes filled with weirdos talking to them like "uwu im sad today send me a pic" I've personally seen it happen twice and both times I felt guilty for even giving the kids advice, because it encouraged them to keep coming back to an online space where they'd be taken advantage of by someone, even if I had nothing to do with it myself. Nowadays I don't even interact in online spaces where it's not explicitly understood that everyone involved is an adult, barring a very small handful surrounding technical subjects.
Honestly you should. The young men of today need good role models, especially now with the single mom epidemic and troon groomers and pinkos trying to reach them first. I had an old mentor who was like a second grandpa when i was a teenager and it really helped me out.
I was in class with a woman I traded social medias with. Turns out she goes by they/them online, but never made a fuss for it IRL. She's at least the fourth nonbinary woman I know to do this: quiet, neurodivergent women who present as tomboy or slightly feminine IRL who only go by they/them in comfortable spaces. It's a weird phenomenon, where it's mostly adhd/anxiety/autism women feeling so other from women but don't feel like men either (and some hate men for horrendous father related reasons).
I don't know what to do or say to them, I tend to make friends with them and just chill since it hardly comes up in the conversations. I wish it wasn't such a common problem, I know it's because most can't or are too scared to work on issues they had in the past.
The AGP is turned on by himself presenting as what he believes to be a woman, so his autistic mind is baffled that the rest of the world isn't also turned on by his appearence.
I was in class with a woman I traded social medias with. Turns out she goes by they/them online, but never made a fuss for it IRL. She's at least the fourth nonbinary woman I know to do this: quiet, neurodivergent women who present as tomboy or slightly feminine IRL who only go by they/them in comfortable spaces. It's a weird phenomenon, where it's mostly adhd/anxiety/autism women feeling so other from women but don't feel like men either (and some hate men for horrendous father related reasons).
I don't know what to do or say to them, I tend to make friends with them and just chill since it hardly comes up in the conversations. I wish it wasn't such a common problem, I know it's because most can't or are too scared to work on issues they had in the past.
Well, I don't want to call out other kiwis out but like how troonism has been devastating for LGB and how gender-nonconforming kids get railroaded into dick and titty chops, 'Neurodivergent' is doing the same thing for kids who may anxious or don't have the social skill of a corporate middle manager at age 6.
You know that, troonism is certainly a cope for deeper seated problems, but this is a similar thing to people who would rather convince themselves that they're actually 'autistic' because putting in effort to change their maladjusted behaviours is a difficult and embarassing process.
Not to mention the deep sense of alienation of our society today, kids grew up with screens and neglectful, overworked parents who would rather feed their kid speed instead of taking care of them, and they're celebrated as progressive and modern for getting their kids diagnosed with 'neurodevelopmental condition'. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people were likely 'misdiagnosed' as neurodivergent not because of an inborn problems but due to various shitty life situations that caused shitty but fixable behaviors. It's more profitable for pharma industry if you pretend that every common life problems come from unfixable brain conditions - you get the gravy train of research fundings, drug sales, special therapy, special education, and a lot of cottage industry surrounding it. You might remember how I described that the only 'identity movement' that's as insane as trannies are neurodiversity.
Also in online community, I'm sure that a lot of people identify as trans/NB because it's a cool thing to do. In certain online places, you're disdained for not being into gender nonsense. My friend has been banned from a discord server because she didn't put pronouns in her profile before.
Well, I don't want to call out other kiwis out but like how troonism has been devastating for LGB people and how gender-nonconforming kids get railroaded into dick and titty chops, I do quite worry that people will be judged as being 'neurodivergent' because they're quiet or anxious or don't have the social skill of a corporate middle manager at age 6. Troonism is certainly a cope for deeper seated problems but I think 'neurodivergency' is also the same, a lot of people would rather convince themselves that they're actually 'autistic' because putting in effort to change their maladjusted behaviours is a difficult and embarassing process.
Nah, you're fine. I said she was "neurodivergent" and was trying to use that as an umbrella term for developmental differences marked in the brain: she said multiple times she had adhd and it showed. The same with the other chicks, they were true and honest diagnosed with problems and it wasn't the cutesy "I'm totally ocd" type stuff, these were women who had genuine struggles with mental issues that weren't just emotional issues (like depression and bipolar). These women grew up around my generation where the phone time wasn't as common yet, so they might be alienated because they had bad social skills from environment (say shitty or half shitty parents) and the extra hurdle of autism or other disorder.
I'm on the same train as you on the thought that a lot of people might fall into the really poor social skills category in the face to face realm due to lack of trying or lack of encouragement and chances to foster them. I do wonder how many could be helped with some social classes or just IRL social groups and hobbies being more avaliable within their area. I can't speak on that more though since I haven't read much on the subject, I stay more towards real abnormal psychology since standing around people who claim it as not to improve or to have something special about them is REALLY fucking annoying. I fall into the abnormal psychology myself and only talk candidly about it online here on the farms since we're one of the few fucking places where you can actually be honest abkut the struggle with yourself or dealing with other abnormal people. I keep people who claim to have something at arm's length until I'm sure they're not attentionwhoring or trying to fit in, for my own fucking sanity.
Also in online community, I'm sure that a lot of people identify as trans/NB because it's a cool thing to do. In certain online places, you're disdained for not being into gender nonsense. My friend has been banned from a discord server because she didn't put pronouns in her profile before.
Totally. In the Losing People to Trans thread I just wrote about how I think artists are susceptible to this since they have to speak certain things to keep social connections and to not get ostracized from a social group. Getting blocked from one social group as an actor, a musician, an animator, just all these things with tighter knit communities and a hard job market, can mean having to move away to a new city or town because all your connections blocked you as soon as you said "lol tranny." Combined with the lackluster social skills of a lot of artists, a higher tendancy towards mental illness, and a desire to fit with the in crowd and you get everyone pretending they are NOT the cis straight white enemy of the art world. Hell, the art students who try to cope EVERY SINGLE DAY with the REGRET of being born into a well off family that can afford art school ( ) or pretend they were much poorer is off the fuckin' charts.
Developmental differences marked in the brain: she said multiple times she had adhd and it showed. The same with the other chicks, they were true and honest diagnosed with problems and it wasn't the cutesy "I'm totally ocd" type stuff,
Perhaps I'm biased, but I'm no longer very convinced that "true and honest diagnosed' is something reliable anymore. After seeing so many people who were actually diagnosed with autism or ADHD as children but they don't seem to have anything too serious, and I'm not talking about people who jumped on the cutesy tiktok neurodiversity trend - a lot of people I speak about were diagnosed in the early 2000s and had family problems, being raised by abusive parents, went through parental divorce, and then the psychologists/psychiatrists slapped 'neurodivergent labels' on them because they acted out in school yet their parents look too nice in public and too middle class for the shrink to realize they're actually monsters. (I remember it seems to be a common assumption that 'only poor people abuse their kids')
Like, how do you even prove that the behaviours come from 'differences marked in the brain'. Is there a brain scan for that? It's all some arbitrary checklists that are used to diagnose someone. It's all unfalsifiable.
Imo, I think this debate is similar to the way people here peak trans. Initially people would think trenders are a menace but make an excuse for truscum because 'true trans people are rare but they're actually real and they have wrong brain sex' until they realize that truscum is no different from trenders, and gender dysphoria is more of a symptom of a deeper problem rather than a sign that they're really born in a wrong body.
I just wrote about how I think artists are susceptible to this since they have to speak certain things to keep social connections and to not get ostracized from a social group. Getting blocked from one social group as an actor, a musician, an animator, just all these things with tighter knit communities and a hard job market, can mean having to move away to a new city or town because all your connections blocked you as soon as you said "lol tranny."
It really sucks to be an artist these days. And so many times I have to lament how many of my favorite artists, while they're not troons themselves, have to pay lip service to them. And it's out of a genuine believe in the cause too. And I do understand their logic, for a long time artists have been seeing themselves as anti establishment, and transgenderism is now sold to them as the ultimate oppressed and anti establishment identity (which is ironic, consider that they rely on medical industry to exist).
I don't know why these people don't see it, if trannyism is so edgy and unconventional, why would Lockheed Martin and all the big corporations seem to be supporting them?
I understand you, you and I grew up in one of those pop psychology eras where everyone got overdiagnosed with the hot new thing. When I was saying that from my post, these were women I knew for a while, people struggling with issues I saw first hand, and sometimes got a diagnosis in adulthood. I was speaking from experience plus the diagnosis factor. I understand trusting psychs is an issue but I didn't know how else to say "they actually have the condition" without writing a paragraph on each person: I'm fucking lazy. I don't mind you questioning psych (that's what this thread is about - trans people are currently popular psych), I just cannot be assed to provide papers on how each individual has mental problems and were friends with these guys long enough that they discussed their problems with me. My apologies, like all internet people I should be taken with a grain of salt of course.
A side note, adhd females are more likely to be diagnosed in adulthood since their problems don't always disrupt the classroom. One of the problems with the big "EVERY CHILD HAS ADHD" was lazy teachers and lazy parents trying to force a child to sit the fuck down at the ages of 4-8 for long classroom hours when anyone who's been around a kid knows that lol that's a hard task in general. This is also one of the reasons male children can sadly have a harder time in school than girls: the more recess cut and the less active activities done, the harder it is for them to like, ya know, be a kid and get a balance of class time and activity time. Girls, including non-hyperactive adhd girls, tend to work better in sitting activities for long periods of time. ADHD girls space the fuck out, have messy desks, have bad impulse control and either blurt stupid things or do them, but they don't always squirm like a motherfucker. It's a hard problem to correct because the pressure is on schools and teachers, and even if they're funded they have pressure to make sure kids know more and more things so the time balance is hard. Education management is gay and I would not have sex with it.
What I said earlier: autism, adhd, and such. One had a horrendous time focusing on schoolwork and work, remembering things, had impluse control issues and could do some stupid things without thinking, and so on. Another was aspergers and all those things that came with it, including overly formal speech, hypersensitivity in both emotions (taking things too personally) and physically (sound and touch were big with her), facial blindness, special interests, more mechanical and slower on the uptake with social cues because she had to manually learn them and became deeply apologetic when she couldn't, and so on. I also know she in particular suffered sexual abuse, and was overweight. She wanted to get top surgery to emphasize gender neutrality, but it was likely related to hating her body and sex as you could guess. I know/knew these people because I hang out in places where nerd women hide online, which includes nonbianaries, and the one I met above was taking art lessons in the same class as me.
It's also hard for women who have these issues to NOT compare themselves to others: the panic and anxiety of being with normie friends and not being able to keep up socially or to not be as mature as they seem to be is painful, even if it is exaggerated within said women's minds. Even if they get normal friends, feeling bad because they "fucked up again because I am a giant fuck up and will always be a giant fuck up and hate that I was born slow and want to never hurt others or feel humiliated again" can happen without proper self introspection and support. When women like that connect with other women who have similar problems and see that oh, a woman just like her she's now friends with is actually a different gender/a guy and claims that it solved all that woman's problems, the ones hearing it think that it might be their key to happiness and peace with themselves. After all, they got along better with men than women a lot of the time (because men have less social stuff they observe and less social games played + they overlap interests), like this or that, and their friend is happy and not cis oppressor any more... So they genderspecial or poon out. And one of my hairs goes gray again.
Again, I'm not talking about people who approproated mental illness because it is easier to blame things on it than improve themselves or those who has not like other girl syndrome, I'm talking about the specific subset of women actually dealing with mental problems that other them. We talk a lot about the lazy and the attention whores on here because they're likely to be funny lolcows, I wanted to talk a bit about the less funny people for a second.
WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, what the hell do I do? Is there a way to steer these women in a good direction or am I going to be like dudes into Warhammer and dread that all my friends turn into people of gender? With men, it's slightly easier because half of it is porn addiction. It's not easy to change yourself or get over it, but it's easier when you can say "this is a bad habit" period than to psychoanalyze your friends or attempt to get them to cringe less at being their birth gender.
Totally. In the Losing People to Trans thread I just wrote about how I think artists are susceptible to this since they have to speak certain things to keep social connections and to not get ostracized from a social group. Getting blocked from one social group as an actor, a musician, an animator, just all these things with tighter knit communities and a hard job market, can mean having to move away to a new city or town because all your connections blocked you as soon as you said "lol tranny." Combined with the lackluster social skills of a lot of artists, a higher tendancy towards mental illness, and a desire to fit with the in crowd
I think it may also have to do with the fact that artists tend to spend lots of time in their own heads dealing with abstract concepts, so accepting gender ideology isn't a big leap for them because they deal in almost exclusively abstract and theoretical concepts. As an artist, you have to be very open-minded to new ideas you'd otherwise reject as a matter of improving your craft; this open-mindedness can unfortunately translate to drinking the tranny koolaid, whether as an ally or someone about to troon out as well. Also, like you said, artists tend to have poor social skills and don't fit in well with normies, which makes them susceptible to the initial uncritical acceptance and lovebombing of the trans movement.
Honestly, I'm honestly starting to believe that the only way to protect kids from troonism is to make them be constantly doing concrete stuff that forces them to live in the real world with normal humans. Team sports is probably the best one because it forces them to interact with average, mature kids who aren't necessarily that intellectual/artistic and form solidarity with average, mature people of their own sex. Fitness-related stuff in general seems to be a good way to protect kids from the troon menace since it keeps their dopamine high, meaning they won't fall into social media or gaming holes, and it's inherently body-positive. I'd suggest volunteer work, but unfortunately most volunteer associations are pozzed. They're filled with the type of well-meaning, open-minded people who would groom kids into trannyism out of genuine belief that it's the right thing to do. You NEED to make your kids too normie to fall for this so that they can't even get to the point where they think "huh, maybe everyone does have a gender identity they need to affirm to be happy". Part of the reason sports are probably a great way to protect kids from this is because it's something where the physical reality of sex is apparent and enforced for fairness to the sport. It's so sad that we're at the point where you have to force your kids into a lifestyle that may not align with their personality or interests just to prevent them from developing dangerous fetishes or yeeting their teets. I'm generally against forcing kids into activities they don't like, but when the arts and fandoms are filled with tranny groomers and sports aren't, what are you to do?
Looking for advice on a hypothetical situation that hopefully won't come up.
In my dotage I have decided to make up for my wasted youth and get a degree to further my career. So far most of my classes have been online but now that I'm nearing the end I'm going to have to take some in person shit. My major isn't something stupid like sociology or history so it's not entirely likely I'll have to introduce myself and say my pronouns or whatever, but I guess it could happen and I sure don't wanna. I'm not that principled but I just think this stuff is all so stupid. I don't want to play into it on any level, but I don't want to rock the boat and jeopardize my situation. Anyone have any particularly elegant get out of jail free cards for this? I was considering just acting like I'd never even heard of it before.
I'd just do that. Ignore people who force you to bend their way, pay more attention to normies.
Truth is, it's a temporary situation. Much like putting on a work uniform for a holiday season job, you are only doing it for a limited amount of time, and as long as you don't have as many in depth discussions with people ABOUT gender, you really can choose to say, "sorry, wasn't paying attention, I'm too focused on thinking about something for my other class. I need to get going, sorry about that, see ya." Most genderspecials are too cowardly/understanding enough not to hold you hostage. Focus on class first in conversations, ignore stuff you don't want to talk about. Teachers tend not to being it up unless it is relevant to the subject, so you'll likely be fine.
Troons go through the motions in classrooms. Those who don't usually drop out by the end of the first month. If a teacher is driving you batshit and you can take the class with someone else, go ahead and withdraw if it's a giant pain. If not, hunker down, just passively nod along, and remember you can trash your work uniform as soon as it's over.
Looking for advice on a hypothetical situation that hopefully won't come up.
In my dotage I have decided to make up for my wasted youth and get a degree to further my career. So far most of my classes have been online but now that I'm nearing the end I'm going to have to take some in person shit. My major isn't something stupid like sociology or history so it's not entirely likely I'll have to introduce myself and say my pronouns or whatever, but I guess it could happen and I sure don't wanna. I'm not that principled but I just think this stuff is all so stupid. I don't want to play into it on any level, but I don't want to rock the boat and jeopardize my situation. Anyone have any particularly elegant get out of jail free cards for this? I was considering just acting like I'd never even heard of it before.
It’s extremely unlikely that anyone will sit you down under a spotlight and force you to state your pronouns. If you find yourself in a situation where others are stating their pronouns, just ignore it. You don’t have to say anything. If they say “Hi I’m Aidan and my pronouns are she/they”, just say “Hi I’m unctuous.” or “Hi I’m unctuous and it’s great to meet you all”. If they start putting pronouns in their email signatures, you can just ignore that. Just put your name.
In the unlikely event you have an actual grammar nazi bearing down on you, your options include:
Say “OK” and then do nothing.
Say “I don’t have pronouns” which is both true (because pronouns don’t belong to individuals, they are a feature of the English language) and might mollify them because maybe it means you’re agender, which makes you heckin valid.
Say “I’m not sure” which is kinda true because how can you possibly be sure about something that is intrinsically bullshit, and similar to the above maybe means you’re gender-questioning which makes you heckin valid.
Say “I don’t like talking about my gender, it’s private” which is likely true and shuts them down while dangling the possibility that you’re one of them and hence super heckin valid.
You are all wise and greatly comforting to me. I think I was just trippin.
Actually in my experience so far despite my classmates being of the seeming target age for this and other idpol shit, it really doesn't seem to exist in a real life capacity. Most people are still making crude jokes and getting along
) or pretend they were much poorer is off the fuckin' charts.
