Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

I'd love to see an actual double blind study where one group of troons get estrogen and one group gets a placebo. I think the reason troon science never uses control groups is because deep down they know what the results of such an experiment would be.
Troon "science" is the ultimate proof of the phrase "there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."

It's the same reason none of them will touch any kind of long-term study on the effects of these drugs. In every single "paper" claiming that hormones and surgery makes people happy, they only poll the participants for like three months and then say "See? No negative effects long-term! Totally safe, you guys!"

Troon "science" is filled to the brim with bunk science, shoddy polling methods, and highly selective, cherry-picked stats to promote their point.
 
When I think about how much tax money and government funding has been most likely dumped into funding the most efficient ways to mutilate people and children, campaigns/psyops to try condition normies into accepting this and enabling mentally ill perverts, instead of that money being used for something actually beneficial like researching better ways to make childbirth less painful for both mother and the child, I have to restrain myself from fedposting.
 
I always find it funny how so many tech-literate troons, who should know that you never use your real name online, will override that rule to go "look i'm a WOMAN on the INTERNET". You even see it on old forums, going from an average-sounding username in the 00s to just "Nicole" or "Rachel" or whatever he's given himself.

...But then again, that's not their real name, is it.
 
Why is it that there is so much overlap between those with bipolar disorder and people who transition? Honest question, is there something about this doe order that makes you want to transition?
Bipolar is known for making manic decisions on impulse, usually throwing themselves into a project with full force in the upswing phase. Someone who experiences extreme emotions to get swept into a lovebombing cult is not uncommon, aa is someone looking to find a cure or to self medicate themselves with something radical. Bipolars are susceptible to risky behavior of all sorts. :(

All mental illnesses seem to increase in the transgender population. Here are two things I found off google.

Also, oof:

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Tiny bit sad that I haven't had time to come talk about tranny psychology with fellow retards recently. I'm pretty invested in understanding pieces of the delusion.

Why is it that there is so much overlap between those with bipolar disorder and people who transition? Honest question, is there something about this doe order that makes you want to transition?

Bipolar is known for making manic decisions on impulse, usually throwing themselves into a project with full force in the upswing phase.

Slight PL -- I'm not bipolar, but do have a related-ish condition on a smaller scale, and even that's challenging, especially early on. I'm a functioning adult primarily via the emotional support around me, basically required to keep me on the straight and narrow + keep shit in check, when I was still in the early phases of diagnosis & treatment as a substantially younger person. You REQUIRE an extremely solid support system to turn out decent & manage yourself independently as time moves on. Untreated impulsivity, complete batshit insanity, and often isolation/loneliness etc are not exactly productive in creating strong-willed men. There's definitely some form of correlation between mood/personality/other mental disorders and transgenderism because of those all those things, especially when not receiving proper treatment. The answer is probably those things combined with normal troon attributes & shortcomings compounding in an already struggling person.

As a teenager prior to settling into appropriate treatment, I just up and hitchhiked ~500mi for fun & did so much harm to my body in response to a trivial argument. I valued myself. Now remove all of those positive means of supporting & improving yourself long term, I genuinely can't even imagine how wild somebodies mind could be. Frankly tranny is better than a lot of other possible outcomes.
 
Me too. It's hard and I'm sad to watch other people go completely off the rails. You wonder if it can happen to you one day too.
I get it man. Terrifying. I had a real, real, real heavy load of shit within a very short period a while back & literally sat there almost in tears wondering if I was going to become a dumber Terry Davis one day from the load of it all. But all you can do is keep pushin' on and try your best to keep yourself level. You've got it.
 
ou REQUIRE an extremely solid support system to turn out decent & manage yourself independently as time moves on. Untreated impulsivity, complete batshit insanity, and often isolation/loneliness etc are not exactly productive in creating strong-willed men. There's definitely some form of correlation between mood/personality/other mental disorders and transgenderism because of those all those things, especially when not receiving proper treatment. The answer is probably those things combined with normal troon attributes & shortcomings compounding in an already struggling person.
It also doesn't help that the gender cult will tell you to cut out your family if they're not 110% supportive of your transition.

Don't know if you follow our trans science thread, but estrogen does a lot of neurological damage to men, which contributes to their psychological decline.
 
Why is it that there is so much overlap between those with bipolar disorder and people who transition? Honest question, is there something about this doe order that makes you want to transition?
It's a few things.
tl;dr to save you time—Mental health is scary. Individuals suffering from one or more mental disorders are exceptionally at risk to take the bait on troon propaganda as it's pushed in the same way a religious conversion is more or less.

1. Comorbidity—Know those probability things that talk about like "oh scoring this many things in a row is statistically super unlikely"? Well turns out with mental health that's kind of the opposite. If you've got depression you've probably got anxiety. If you've got anxiety you've probably got other shit. If you have multiple chemical imbalances rattling around in your body you most likely have another big name one like bipolar disorder. To sum this part up, if you have a chemical imbalance, the chance of that happening again in another part of the brain is just gonna go up.

If you want a super fun example of how stupid this can get with our brains, there is essentially versions of mental health disorders that aren't the real deal, but instead induced from a primary condition. i.e. "Anxiety induced depression". You suffer from the symptoms of depression, but if the anxiety goes away you no longer have it.

2. Troon Propoganda—Bipolar folks are still lucid, and often they're racked with depression and anxiety as previously mentioned. Troons love to spread the idea that NONE of what you're struggling with is actually a fucking brain problem. It's just that you're heckin' cute and valid and were born in the wrong body. That's not mental illness. You need to take hormones NOW. Then all your problems will go away. I've seen it happen endlessly. Maggots lock themselves in a room, don't leave it for months and only stay on the computer, then go "why do I want to kill myself??" then troon out.

I don't mean this in a *tips fedora* manner, but if you want to understand why the troon cult is as hellbent on spreading as it is, just think of it very literally as a cult, like as an early religion. The basic psychology behind people desperate to spread their religion to others and have them convert is because it validates them. "I got so-and-so to convert so cutting off my dick and ruining my life definitely wasn't a fuck up!"

Hope that clears some things up.
 
Not my own thought, but something I found interesting on the Parents with Inconvient Truths about Trans substack link here from user pokipsy christiansen

I can't help but connect the dots from obesity to "a pervasive feeling of discomfort with one's body."

They are very big dots, really. More young people suffer from obesity than ever, more & more every year. Our food culture is badly broken - too many kids now grow up without ever seeing a meal cooked from scratch in their household, and even parents who cook at home find their efforts disregarded in favor of the bright and flashy fast food advertised so colorfully on TV.

Young people suffering obesity have body image issues that no amount of "acceptance" can help. They know they don't look like the people on TV and they know their weight isn't healthy. At very young ages, they start to be ashamed of their bodies & they dress to hide instead of to express themselves. They lose themselves online, where no one can see what they look like. And it goes beyond the strictly physical - the girls have earlier & earlier puberties, before they are psychologically ready to handle going through such changes. The boys have delayed puberties & other endocrine issues, leading to juvenile impotence & erectile dysfunction.

This shame also creates a vicious cycle with obesity - eating in public or with friends makes them acutely uncomfortable with themselves. They seclude themselves and survive on delivery and packaged goods. All these issues are wrapped up together - isolation, internet addiction, sedentary lifestyle, obesity, self-hate, self-destruction - they all compound to worsen each other, and together they render young people perfectly desperate for any solution to the misery in which they find themselves. "Trans" is one such solution, video games are another, opioids are another, suicide is another.
 
Someone who experiences extreme emotions to get swept into a lovebombing cult is not uncommon
Lovebombing is common among bipolar sufferers, so this makes total sense. Instead of fixating on a single person or project, they get fixated on gender identity instead.
You REQUIRE an extremely solid support system to turn out decent & manage yourself independently
Unfortunately, the people I came to ask about generally don’t have a great support system. They subscribe to the idea that you should cut your parents off if they don’t affirm you, along with anyone else who questions you. You’re completely right though - with a mood disorder the people around you are so important to help you make better decisions.
Troons love to spread the idea that NONE of what you're struggling with is actually a fucking brain problem. It's just that you're heckin' cute and valid and were born in the wrong body.
It’s easier to think this than to say “I am the problem, I take responsibility, I am sorry” and then change your behavior. Why not just be trans instead and all the criticism fades away…

Thank you all for your thoughtful replies. I’m trying to understand where this shit all came from and why it permeated into culture so fast. It’s so hard to ignore or even just tolerate, when it’s the loudest people in the room talking about it.
 
It also doesn't help that the gender cult will tell you to cut out your family if they're not 110% supportive of your transition.
Unfortunately, the people I came to ask about generally don’t have a great support system. They subscribe to the idea that you should cut your parents off if they don’t affirm you, along with anyone else who questions you. You’re completely right though - with a mood disorder the people around you are so important to help you make better decisions.

You both have it, but Bathtub really has it at the end. That’s the very point I’m making. Tranny feelings & a family already tired of you or vice versus is basically advanced suicide. Very little chance of not falling into SOME kind of awful thing.

The very basis of staying grounded in these scenarios is having an — even decent — relationship with a TRUE support network. TRUE people who will put you on the right path & take just a little of your shit if that’s what it takes to get through to you. Not yes men pushing an agenda.

All these issues are wrapped up together - isolation, internet addiction, sedentary lifestyle, obesity, self-hate, self-destruction - they all compound to worsen each other, and together they render young people perfectly desperate for any solution to the misery in which they find themselves. "Trans" is one such solution, video games are another, opioids are another, suicide is another.

I’m a pretty gentle, soft guy in personality and those weren’t my specific struggles, but one unmentioned option is definitely parents providing their kids with a strong home, emotional support, and motivation — and young men just finding the desire within themselves — before they succumb to the pressures of the world. I get it, shit upsets me too. Nonetheless, Parents need to PARENT, not let TikTok and Reddit do it. This is how children come to believe that an acceptable solution to their problems is going troon, or cutting themselves, or doing hard drugs, or just ignoring shit. That does not fix sensitivity to the world or your own self-created issues. It’s really sad but it stems from absent or crappy parents a lot of the time, which leaves their kids stunted & vulnerable to things like this. Probably a decent contributor to young transgenderism.
 
Not my own thought, but something I found interesting on the Parents with Inconvient Truths about Trans substack link here from user pokipsy christiansen

I can't help but connect the dots from obesity to "a pervasive feeling of discomfort with one's body."

They are very big dots, really. More young people suffer from obesity than ever, more & more every year. Our food culture is badly broken - too many kids now grow up without ever seeing a meal cooked from scratch in their household, and even parents who cook at home find their efforts disregarded in favor of the bright and flashy fast food advertised so colorfully on TV.

Young people suffering obesity have body image issues that no amount of "acceptance" can help. They know they don't look like the people on TV and they know their weight isn't healthy. At very young ages, they start to be ashamed of their bodies & they dress to hide instead of to express themselves. They lose themselves online, where no one can see what they look like. And it goes beyond the strictly physical - the girls have earlier & earlier puberties, before they are psychologically ready to handle going through such changes. The boys have delayed puberties & other endocrine issues, leading to juvenile impotence & erectile dysfunction.

This shame also creates a vicious cycle with obesity - eating in public or with friends makes them acutely uncomfortable with themselves. They seclude themselves and survive on delivery and packaged goods. All these issues are wrapped up together - isolation, internet addiction, sedentary lifestyle, obesity, self-hate, self-destruction - they all compound to worsen each other, and together they render young people perfectly desperate for any solution to the misery in which they find themselves. "Trans" is one such solution, video games are another, opioids are another, suicide is another.
This is such a good comment; thank you for bringing it over here.

I also think it should be noted that visceral adipose tissue - fat surrounding the organs - is very metabolically active. It produces hormones, including oestrogen and androgens. We do not fully understand the impact of excess fat on the human body, but we do know that obesity has significant metabolic consequences.

It would not surprise me if part of the increase in troonism among children and adolescents is related to the parallel increase in obesity among the same population. Of course, this hypothesis is probably a non-starter considering how politicized both obesity and transgender ideology have become.
 
Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I really think there's going to be a backlash. Most people didn't care about this tranny shit, because of a typical "I don't care, as long as it doesn't affect me" attitude, but more and more, the trannies are being exposed as the narcissistic, creepy sex-pests that they are, and people are starting to realize this. People are starting to realize that, actually, yes, this does affect you, and more importantly, it affects your children, and that is something that most people cannot ignore.
You could say it's already begun with governments banning puberty blockers for children and kicking troons out of women-only spaces. Hopefully the Hazelbrook incident will serve as a wake-up call to parents, because there's no way that's the only school where that's been happening.

Only thing I can't be optimistic for is my dog in the fight: all the hobby groups, online communities, and circles of friends scorched by trannies and the drama they bring. The more backlash they face IRL, the more they double down on their "literal genocide!!" rhetoric and get more people to whiteknight for them. The sympathy for them won't last forever, but I can only wonder how much longer it'll be.
 
You could say it's already begun with governments banning puberty blockers for children and kicking troons out of women-only spaces. Hopefully the Hazelbrook incident will serve as a wake-up call to parents, because there's no way that's the only school where that's been happening.

Only thing I can't be optimistic for is my dog in the fight: all the hobby groups, online communities, and circles of friends scorched by trannies and the drama they bring. The more backlash they face IRL, the more they double down on their "literal genocide!!" rhetoric and get more people to whiteknight for them. The sympathy for them won't last forever, but I can only wonder how much longer it'll be.
The incident that comes to mind is the Loudoun county incident in Virginia, where a trans-identified student (a boy pretending to be a girl) went into the girls restroom and anally raped a female student. The worst part of it is that the school, rightly fearing the backlash from such an incident (the school had approved a transgender bathroom policy not long before), tried to cover up the incident and pretend it never happened. It turned out this particular student had a history of sexual assault at a prior school, and the school just quietly shuffled him over to another school, like the Catholic church quietly relocates rapist priests after they get caught.

This was during the gubernatorial election in Virginia, and the Republican candidate, Glenn Youngkin, latched onto it and made it a focal point of his campaign, winning him the election. There's a lot more to the story (though, as always, you'll have to dig a little deeper, since legacy media obviously won't touch this story), but it serves as a prime example of this stuff being exposed to the public at large and changing their opinions on the gender ideology debate. There was also the Nashville school shooting only a few months ago, where a trans-man (i.e a woman) shot up a Christian private school and slaughtered a bunch of middle-schoolers.

Reality always asserts itself in the end. You can deny it all you want, you can refuse to report on it, you can sit here and tell people it's not happening until you're blue in the face, it doesn't matter; reality always asserts itself in the end. Now, my supremely, unrealistically optimist desire is for these people to be put on trial for crimes against humanity. I want to see all of these doctors and political activists pushing this insanity to be put on trial and thrown in prison. However, I know that likely will not happen. Even still, my prediction is that this will turn out the way lobotomies went, where slowly but surely people begin to realize that this treatment is horribly unethical and does nothing to help people, it gradually begins to fall out of favor, and eventually, after a couple years, future generations will look back at this the same way we look at lobotomies and go "dear Lord, how were we ever stupid enough to think that would work?"
 
I just fucking hate the way they treat detransitioners. If someone has the right to be trans, surely they also have the right to not be trans. But the moment they practise this right they are treated like apostates. Ironically a lot of these detransitioners used to be the "trans kids" whose affirmation was considered a life or death issue.
 
I just fucking hate the way they treat detransitioners. If someone has the right to be trans, surely they also have the right to not be trans. But the moment they practise this right they are treated like apostates. Ironically a lot of these detransitioners used to be the "trans kids" whose affirmation was considered a life or death issue.
What i hate about the way they treat detransitioners is how TRAs insist that no one would lie about being trans because there's 0 benefit, and anyone who says they're trans are REALLY trans.Then when someone detransitions, suddenly its "They were never trans to begin with."Its like you lunatics are so desperate to increase your numbers that you'll take any kid that is either confused, autistic, or has body dysmorphia and say they're trans then throw them under the bus when they realized they weren't trans.If TRAs were really concerned with detrans people regardless of their numbers then they'd want the medical institutions to do a better job at finding out who's "true trans" and who wasn't.But no they dont because they know that if doctors did brain scans to prove their patients were true trans that it'd be all bullshit.
 
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