Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[teriyakiburns]

Here we go again..

Except she displays a lot of the signs of legit high functioning ASD, so she is likely to have it. I have enough experience with similar people IRL to be able to spot the difference between merely awkward and possibly autistic.

 

[Not A Bunny]

I've been kind of wondering lately why the narrative of parents with trans kids doesn't line up with the way parents of gay kids express it.

Parents of gay kids frequently will say: "there were hints" and "we always kind of knew something was up", for the genuinely gay ones, not the experimental gays who munch carpet because it would piss off the patriarchy/Daddy.

We don't overwhelmingly hear that story from parents of trans kids. Sure, we hear about kids having opposite-sex interests, but that's fairly normal with kids. Hell, little girls pretend to be pregnant when they're still playing with dolls; that doesn't mean it's a sign that you need to marry off your six-year-old because she's ready to have babies. It's probably just because they're emulating gender roles of the adults around them.

Moreover, you ultimately can't control how gay your kid happens to be. That is to say: you can't partner them up with a same-sex partner for bonus points with your liberal buddies if they're not so inclined.

On the other hand, kids who had issues with their parents 100 years ago relating to their understanding of/adherence to gender roles (despite the story that "trans people always existed"), didn't immediately say that they were the opposite sex. They had other problems, as one might if your parents had an issue with the way you were born as if they could have somehow controlled those circumstances. These days, though, it wouldn't be difficult to influence your kid into wanting to be the opposite sex just to please mommy or daddy. Kids are malleable like that, and some adults are just fucked up enough to take advantage.

Point of this ramble is: 1. Gay and Trans should be separate, and it would do the gay movement to wash their hands of transes as soon as possible, because even from the outset, their commonality as a movement has less in common than advertised and 2. Parents of trans kids are dishonest fucks. If their kids were somehow "always trans" and "they knew" that would almost certainly be a natural thing to say. They'll couch the idea of being trans in kids playing with gender roles, but it's not because they're trans, it's because they're kids.

 

[Space Police]

When you look at less censored troon spaces like /tttt/, it's obvious that troons hate themselves and each other more than the most TERFy chud possibly could. In my opinion this just emphasizes that they're bullies. Children are always told that bullies are so mean because they hate themselves most of all, and that extends to troons. They live lives full of deception, degeneracy, and mediocrity, and how can you not be self-loathing if that's your life? They hate other troons because they're either reminded of their true nature when they see it in someone else, or they're mad that there are troons that are more successful than them. Any semblance of "community" or "trans sisterhood" is just to crack more eggs, but eventually you'll begin hating other troons as well -- if you're a tucute, your targets will be truscum, and if you're truscum (you'll eventually become a truscum once you can't rationalize radical tucute stuff to yourself and you need to convince yourself you're not on the same level as the bald 60-year-old man in lipstick), you'll hate on non-passing troons and tucutes. They live in prisons of their own making, and they're doing everything they can to drag everyone else down with them.

 

[Poppy Brown]

They hate other troons because they're either reminded of their true nature when they see it in someone else, or they're mad that there are troons that are more successful than them.

I noticed this too with Sam Lux's video about Dylan Mulvaney. Sam could barely hide his contempt and jealousy for Dylan, even if he was pretending to defend him.

 

[Your_deadname_here]

FYI

 

[Surfin Terf]

Are there any cases of a tranny changing their name to their parents and demanding that they adopt a Sr. at the end of their name? I'm just mildly curious, I know that in the case of murdered tranny Edward Araujo Jr. Wikipedia wouldn't allow the father's full name of Edward Araujo Sr. to be used because it was deadnaming.

 

[deermeat]

The more mature I get, the more cynical.... The more I feel like troonery is a form of natural selection. I can't wait until the day where the majority of society peaks and all this is deemed as the medical scandal it is.

I feel less and less sad for the people in their early 20s trooning out. Most are privileged and have ulterior motives. I hope they go to the extremes, I hope they disfigure themselves. They were going to anyways. If the porn addicts and terminally online of today didn't have porn or social media, they would've been the mindless druggies and bums of yesterday. When you bite the hand that feeds you, prepare to starve. Troons are nothing but a burden and a threat to society, my tolerance for them gone to zero.

I don't think they outta be left alone either. If you're the type of person to confront people, then by all means make that tranny suffer. Usually when someone adopts an agenda like being a Nazi or an incel, the right thing to do is offer compassion. But that's not the case with troons. They don't get met with enough hostility and that's why they are the way they are. Everyone lets them be this way, especially women. If you try offering compassion and try to be reasonable, you'll be the one to get attacked. If you stand up peacefully and try to defend yourself, you'll be the one attacked. This is a cult, a group of people who thrive off of bullying and scare tactics. It doesn't matter if one or two is innocent, they need to be taught the repercussions of their actions. It's like beating the shit out of a creep near a playground, it teaches everyone that this nonsense will not be tolerated.

Obviously none of this applies to children, including teenagers. They can't consent. Little Timmy who sticks the fork in the light socket when no one is watching after being told not to and prevented multiple times is natural selection. But a group of adults telling Little Timmy to stick the fork in the light socket because it will be good for him is not. Kids don't know any better. And using harsh punishment is counterproductive. THEY need compassion and actual protection. You don't beat the teen who's getting with the 40yr old school janitor. You beat the janitor and isolate the teen as far as possible away from that influence, offering positive influences as a substitute. And if the teen still decides to continue, after everything you done, well theres nothing to do left. They made their decision and they have to take responsibility for it. Later down the line they are gonna realize how much they screwed up and how much you actually cared, or they'll forever live in denial and being a vagrant.

 

[cyber insecurity]

It's so weird how I can talk about tranny stuff with my friends and they will agree with me, but still shy away from being seen as transphobic. Like yeah, you're right, pronouns are dumb, neopronouns are even dumber, sex differences undoubtedly exist, cross-sex hormones are ruining people's bodies, SRS is butchery and mutilation, children shouldn't transition, gender ideology is built on sexist stereotypes and transgenderism is caused by mental illness/childhood trauma BUT I am NOT transphobic!!! I'm an ally!!

 

[AMHOLIO]

is caused by mental illness/childhood trauma BUT I am NOT transphobic!!! I'm an ally!!

I think it's short for not wanting to be actively malicious or mean to trans people. It's a reasonable position, don't want to start trouble when you don't need to. I personally don't have ill will to most transitioners until they start crossing social boundaries or are actively malicious themselves. Transphobic still implies going out and troon bashing instead of "I just don't agree with the party's beliefs."

Of course, troons think anyone who doesn't think any of these things you listed are heritics or troonphobes who need some extra conversion. Should we let them define if I'm transphobic? I won't, it's on my own damn terms, I'm more of a trans atheist, but that doesn't fly with trans people. Whatever way your friends identify, don't pressure them to label themselves unless they choose to. It's up to them to declare they're the transphobe your rainbow chosen mom warned you about. This is less like being gay or bi (you fuck the same sex = you gay) and more of a viewpoint differnece. Remember, not identifying as transphobe can save them in social situations and not get them badgered by internet weirdos or dismissed from jobs.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Another quote from @deermeat

Spoiler

There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape, but even after admitting this, there is no catharsis. My punishment continues to elude me and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself. No new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

 

[Vandyke Clown]

Has anyone else noticed that the trenders these days seem to have moved on to “internet aesthetics”? Just take a look at the Aesthetics Wiki on Fandom. It’s exactly the same identity-seeking behaviour as the MOGAI genders - dividing themselves into ever-finer cliques of extreme specificity (while also being extremely vague about what the point is). Aesthetics are positioned as valid, empowering, creative, and, crucially, an identity. There is a small overlap with mental health issues (“changelingcore”, “femboy” and others) but it’s not as all-encompassing as trans shit which delights in being damaged.

Personally I’m all for it. I don’t see anyone cutting bits off themselves in service of an aesthetic. If it acts as a pressure release valve on gender BS then we should all be grateful.

 

[Space Police]

Has anyone else noticed that the trenders these days seem to have moved on to “internet aesthetics”? Just take a look at the Aesthetics Wiki on Fandom. It’s exactly the same identity-seeking behaviour as the MOGAI genders - dividing themselves into ever-finer cliques of extreme specificity (while also being extremely vague about what the point is). Aesthetics are positioned as valid, empowering, creative, and, crucially, an identity. There is a small overlap with mental health issues (“changelingcore”, “femboy” and others) but it’s not as all-encompassing as trans shit which delights in being damaged.

Personally I’m all for it. I don’t see anyone cutting bits off themselves in service of an aesthetic. If it acts as a pressure release valve on gender BS then we should all be grateful.

That's all troonism ever was for the trenders -- a cool aesthetic subculture to look cool online. I take this as a sign that mass peaking is beginning -- troonism is no longer cool, so they're moving on to better pastures. Aesthetics are also a better creative outlet in my opinion than troonism.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Has anyone else noticed that the trenders these days seem to have moved on to “internet aesthetics”?

No, but that sounds great. Any sources or things to point at?

I'm skeptical that someone would give up legal and societal protection when they can just call a haircut a gender identity.

 

[Vandyke Clown]

No, but that sounds great. Any sources or things to point at?

Just what I observe in my kids’ school. There was a huge surge in she/theys around 2020, but those she/theys have all gone back to being she’s, and the identity/scene cliques are all about barbiecore / dark academia / vintage / whatever. It’s literally just fashion.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Just what I observe in my kids’ school. There was a huge surge in she/theys around 2020, but those she/theys have all gone back to being she’s, and the identity/scene cliques are all about barbiecore / dark academia / vintage / whatever. It’s literally just fashion.

I hope you’re right. I miss the days when the worst damage your teenage rebellion phase would do was an inadvisable piercing and a stupid haircut.

I wonder if that’s why it’s become less fashionable. It’s hard to rebel against the adult world when everyone from your parents to the government is nodding enthusiastically at every dumb thing you do.

 

[Your_deadname_here]

So if surgical and medical intervention is legitimately for gender affirming care, why do they do the procedure where they keep the penis, but install the amhole? How is something like that anything other than Mengele tier anatomical Tetris? What is the duo cock/vag procedure in terms or affirmation? Frankencocks on pooners? Where is the utility there? An appendage that is guaranteed to atrophy and rot... How is it anything other than purely cosmetic? Do no harm, maybe?

It's just really odd how this movement has metastaticized into this social tumor in less than a decade.

 

[Miriam Margoyles]

I feel like an overwhelming amount of tranny shit - most notably the attitudes of trans women to actual women - only really works if you're working on the unspoken assumption that everybody else enjoys a, for want of a better phrase 'first world' existence. That is, comfortable, fairly affluent, middle class and mostly white.

This is most obvious when trannies talk about 'mourning their lost girlhoods', being denied things like playing with Barbies and singing along with pop songs and sleepovers and trips to the mall, as if this is something all women experience. This sort of carefree, pastel pink, hearts and flowers, 'Claire's Accessories' style existence. I don't know where they get this idea from - perhaps from television, perhaps from advertising, perhaps from observing and quietly seething at sisters and female relatives for years - but they seem to think that stuff like this is a fundamental aspect of growing up female, and, well...

There are girls in third world countries who are sold off to men old enough to be their fathers as child brides. There are girls who work in sweatshops for pennies a day. Hell, in first world countries, there are girls who grow up in abusive households, who have to shoulder the burden of parenting their siblings because their useless parents are too irresponsible and dysfunctional to do it themselves.

There's more too it than that, of course, and the 'lost girlhood' thing is merely one of the more obvious examples, but I think it speaks to the nature of troonacy and the demographic that primarily partakes in it, that they come into it with this pre-existing view of how the world is that is so coddled.

 

[AMHOLIO]

There are girls in third world countries who are sold off to men old enough to be their fathers as child brides.

And there are troons so lost in their fetish that they wished that was them.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Has anyone else noticed that the trenders these days seem to have moved on to “internet aesthetics”? Just take a look at the Aesthetics Wiki on Fandom. It’s exactly the same identity-seeking behaviour as the MOGAI genders - dividing themselves into ever-finer cliques of extreme specificity (while also being extremely vague about what the point is). Aesthetics are positioned as valid, empowering, creative, and, crucially, an identity. There is a small overlap with mental health issues (“changelingcore”, “femboy” and others) but it’s not as all-encompassing as trans shit which delights in being damaged.

Personally I’m all for it. I don’t see anyone cutting bits off themselves in service of an aesthetic. If it acts as a pressure release valve on gender BS then we should all be grateful.

'Aesthetics' is one of the scourges upon the world of art and design today and I can't talk enough how I hate how everything today is overly categorized and defined into gazillion labels with all its context and nuances taken out - and I don't see it to be different in its genesis from our obsession with 'gender identity' or 'neurodivergency' or how generation war are ramped up in the news today - these seem to be all symptoms of a larger cultural malaise that I couldn't put my hands on why, but partly I think it's because of social media and the way information spread today.

It might not have a big medical horror implications like troonism but our cultural obsession with aesthetics categories today have been destructive to art, cutlure and media. Things are made as caricatures of specific aesthetic instead of letting the inspiration to ebb and flow naturally, all the 80s-90s nostalgia that overemphasized a few memorable characteristics. Endless slop of remake and sequel movies that seem to just be a big-budget parody of the original material, and made simply to extend the IP with guaranteed audience. People on aesthetic tumblr debating the difference between 'Y2K', 'Metalheart' and 'Gen X Soft Club' but back then there was no such concrete distinction.

All it reminded me of metaheads debating the subgenres of metal and how some douches will think you're not tvre and kvlt enough - now it's spread into everything.

There's more too it than that, of course, and the 'lost girlhood' thing is merely one of the more obvious examples, but I think it speaks to the nature of troonacy and the demographic that primarily partakes in it, that they come into it with this pre-existing view of how the world is that is so coddled.

I agree with the general point - but I don't see the general feeling of 'lost experiences' as a solely delusional troon thing. Now imagine the girls who were sold off as child brides or worked in sweatshops or trafficked or heavily abused or whatever of that managed to escape their situations into something of a more 'normal middle class life', and they have to face the realization that people around them 'expect' that they had a certain childhood, certain social experiences and career skills, and you're seen as inherently inferior without certain trajectory of life, and you can't always tell people what happened to you because they won't understand anyway. - And I think the show you brought the screenshot up, Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, is making that point.

There's no universal experiences, but people have been judged and mistreated because of the lack of certain non-universal experiences many people around them believed to be universal. Our media push narratives and only a few narratives are allowed to be told.

This probably sounds like I'm missing the point, because it's not comparable to troons complaining about 'lost girlhood' (and I think the whole troons 'reliving their missed childhood by dressing like children' is creepy and stupid), but our society do have an expectation of what childhood should look like that many people feel alienated because they didn't get to have it.

 

[Jacques1194]

Just what I observe in my kids’ school. There was a huge surge in she/theys around 2020, but those she/theys have all gone back to being she’s, and the identity/scene cliques are all about barbiecore / dark academia / vintage / whatever. It’s literally just fashion.

I also hope that you're right.I feel the same as this other user said in another thread about the TIM at the Planet Fitness "Why the fuck is the left so obsessed with appealing to this tiny minority group?"Its not like they gain any big voting bloc with trans people, so why the changing of definitions,science,etc?I've also herd that hollywood has been obsessed with putting trans people in so many movies now that they're in half the movies that come out today.Even people online who aren't trans are obsessed with head canoning certain characters as some gender special flavor.Its really insane.