Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Izdaja Slika]

I don't know if it's just me or I started to feel like transgender argument is stupid and tiring from all sides, tucutes, truscum, terfs, detransitioners, conservatives, intersex activists, etc. I think anyone's becoming an activists and fighting for a cause ended up being insufferable on themselves. While activists are framing their causes as objective goals, they are inherently subjective. I don't think human can reach true objectivity, because we all have desires and personal experiences. Ultimately all words, all categories, all rules are human made for human society. We're all a bunch of atoms that managed to come together and started to see patterns in things but those are only our interpretation - but none of our interpretation would be a perfect platonic ideals.

It is probably like the tale of blind men and an elephant - everyone has a piece of truth but they don't have the whole picture. There are even some views from troons that I think are good arguments (even though I disagree with them for the most part) and even there, wheter I agree or disagree with them is subjective too.

It is not tiring 'from all sides'. Defending yourself from the relentless, authoritarian intrusion of trans ideology might make you tiresome to the trans activists, who want everyone, including the State, to capitulate to their every whim.

I do not accept your equivalence. Trans ideology has a fever-grip on society and the State. To offer the mildest pushback (I am same-sex attracted, not "same gender" attracted) is "transphobia". To use preferred pronouns but out of politeness without really believing, is "transphobia". To use the term "preferred pronouns" instead of "pronouns", is "transphobia". To write 'transwoman' instead of 'trans woman' is transphobia.

Trans ideology is totalitarian. It is unashamed in its grasping of power. There used to be a word that referred to the category that consists of what they call "cis" women and trans men. That word was 'woman'. They don't want a word that refers to human females as it was previously understood.

Trans ideology--which mutilates children and forces adults to utter prayers of a religion they do not believe, under the threat of State punishment--is ludicrous and immoral, a perversion of science and language, unhuman and inhumane.

I do not accept your equivalence.

 

[800 Chupacabras]

I think it’s a natural curiosity to wonder about being the opposite sex, and not coming down too hard on children either way is a good idea. In most areas, I don’t think kids are given enough proper space to figure things out themselves. Most children can be excellent problem solvers, if given the nudge to be independent, while knowing an adult has their back if things go wrong and that their goal is to solve the problem, not please the adult.

In the case of understanding self-identity, like sexuality and gender, I think most kids lack adults who can take the back seat (while still ensuring the child is safe). Instead, it becomes the focus of the child to earn their parent or guardian’s approval by adopting a specific identity congruous with the adult’s loudly-expressed preferences. They lose the tools properly frame their moral self, and instead become a mirror of the adult ego.

 

[just my opinion]

I'm not saying anything profound here but I'm sickened by how often MtF troons will threaten violence on women who disagree with them. It shouldn't surprise me and it is completely in line for troons but it always catches me off guard. More strangely, there's a ton of progressive women that will endorse that behaviour

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

I don't know if it's just me or I started to feel like transgender argument is stupid and tiring from all sides, tucutes, truscum, terfs, detransitioners, conservatives, intersex activists, etc. I think anyone's becoming an activists and fighting for a cause ended up being insufferable on themselves. While activists are framing their causes as objective goals, they are inherently subjective. I don't think human can reach true objectivity, because we all have desires and personal experiences. Ultimately all words, all categories, all rules are human made for human society. We're all a bunch of atoms that managed to come together and started to see patterns in things but those are only our interpretation - but none of our interpretation would be a perfect platonic ideals.

It is probably like the tale of blind men and an elephant - everyone has a piece of truth but they don't have the whole picture. There are even some views from troons that I think are good arguments (even though I disagree with them for the most part) and even there, wheter I agree or disagree with them is subjective too.

I understand the feeling to equate two loud sides of the argument as the same source of unrelenting noise, but the divide ultimately comes down to men who wish to inhibit the rights of women, and women who understand that once those rights are degraded it is unlikely they'll ever be coming back. One side is angry because their ego is being questioned (and, often, a sexual experience is being denied to them) and the other is watching the world happily slide toward a worse result for anyone who is born female. On top of that, you have Big Pharma making a lot of money off one side of the argument, the same side of the argument that is subjecting children to their bones rotting out from the inside, and I think it's understandable if one side is enraged about it. In twenty years, perhaps even less, I think we'll look back on this time as we look back on lobotomies. Everything with Biden's clearly-demented ass being covered up and then covered for until the very day the political machine decided that it was, in fact, a bad call should demonstrate perfectly how the world will happily flip on this issue the moment the evidence becomes incontrovertible. But instead of a demented old man being ushered into the grave, there'll be a generation - if not generations - of boys and girls who are left with mutilated bodies.

 

[Deer Warts]

Chris Tyson thing just broke, is new to me, but it dropped a penny that's been bothering me for a long time re: troons and pedophilia.

It seems too ... easy to accuse troons of being pedophiles. It seems too easy to accuse anyone you disagree with of being a pedophile. It's the ultimate Big Bad, the life destroyer, the worst thing you can possibly accuse someone of. It's an accusation that gets thrown around on the Farms a lot, nearly to the extent that I've just started writing it off. (Who are we calling a pedo now? This one? Yeah, whatever.) Because these people can't all be pedos, right? And people who accuse them are just haters and transphobes taking aim with the biggest possible cannon, the broadest possible brush? Right?

As of today I'm thinking I was badly wrong.

I'm an honest-to-god XX female and yes, I do on occasion partake of the porn. Historically I've been OK with it, but in the past few years I've revised those views.

Porn is ubiquitous ==> porn is mainstream ==> porn is no longer taboo.

Porn is no longer taboo ==> porn is no longer exciting. What to do? ===> Make porn taboo again.

How to do this? ==> Mainstream extreme bondage/bdsm/torture porn

Still not enough? Okay. ==> Make the girls look young. As young as possible. Condense the whole loop and you get:

porn consumption ==> via the algorithm, destigmatization, and the law of diminishing returns ==> pedophilia.

All roads lead to Rome, and in the age of internet porn, unless you're aware of the pedo-fication effect and extremely picky about what you watch, all porn leads to pedophilia.

Why does it seem like pedophiles are suddenly everywhere? It didn't used to be like this. You had the rare poor wretch with a revoltingly miswired brain. Once, pedophiles were born. Now, they're made. Watch too much porn, and it could probably happen to anyone.

In summation, are a lot of these troons (and even pooners) that we accuse of being pedophiles actually pedophiles? Well, considering it's porn/pornographic fanfic that got them there in the first place ...

Yes, yes they are.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I'm an honest-to-god XX female and yes, I do on occasion partake of the porn. Historically I've been OK with it, but in the past few years I've revised those views.

There is a trace of what we can call for lack of a better term "female privilege" in your slow realization. Not your fault, but take into consideration: little boys are targeted, groomed, and trained with this high intensity porn from such an early age now, not only are they not old enough to understand and consent to what is being done to them, they are not even old enough to have a sexual orientation independent of this training. Talking about 8, 9, 10 year old little boys who haven't gone through puberty yet, being exposed to this stuff routinely. And the producers know it's happening and actively fight to keep it happening. Then, the male libido being what it is once the adult hormones start kicking in, they end up essentially enslaved to it.

The whole "feminist porn" and "kinder, gentler porn" and "ethical porn" farce was a scam perpetrated by women who wanted to seem cool but who had no direct experience of the intensity of the male sex drive nor the socialization that now accompanies it courtesy of (((porn producers))).

 

[Deer Warts]

There is a trace of what we can call for lack of a better term "female privilege" in your slow realization. Not your fault, but take into consideration: little boys are targeted, groomed, and trained with this high intensity porn from such an early age now, not only are they not old enough to understand and consent to what is being done to them, they are not even old enough to have a sexual orientation independent of this training. Talking about 8, 9, 10 year old little boys who haven't gone through puberty yet, being exposed to this stuff routinely. And the producers know it's happening and actively fight to keep it happening. Then, the male libido being what it is once the adult hormones start kicking in, they end up essentially enslaved to it.

Oh, I know. Not about the male-drive part (no male parts here!), but about the slow strangulation of kids by porn. I just didn't make the jump to "everyone's a pedo all of a sudden" until today.

Spoiler: Power-leveling incoming

I have a son now in college. When he was about 14, I asked him, "Do you trust me?" He said yes. I took his laptop out of his hands and opened his browser history. What I found didn't surprise me at all.

He cried. He was shocked that I already knew and said he felt so ashamed and horrible that he'd disappointed me so badly. I told him I wasn't disappointed, that it's basically inevitable in this day and age. I told him being mad would be like showing a starving person a big slice of chocolate cake and not only telling them they can't have it, but they're wrong for wanting it. I told him, "You are not wrong for enjoying this. You're a teenage boy with internet access! Me expecting you not to be exposed to porn and drawn to porn, when it's always there just a click away, would be naive and insane."

I talked and he listened. I listed what the "bad" things of porn actually are, for someone his age: that it can quickly become addictive and completely take over your life, that
it hijacks how you'll eventually have sex with a partner, it takes over your imagination and robs you of the pleasure of discovering that part of yourself on your own, to form your own ideas and not have them put in your head by someone else. In excess, it will steal something from you before you even realize it was there.

I laid out my own deep reservations about porn (as expressed in my previous post), careful to stress that he is not a bad person for being a teenage boy who watches porn, but that there's a lot of really dark stuff out there (extreme violence, very young girls) that can lead you in a very dangerous direction. I stressed that I loved him, that how I see him hasn't changed, and I also told him, flat-out, "No hentai!"

Since we had that conversation, I've checked his browsing history from time to time, with his permission. Sometimes there's porn, sometimes there's not. He went away to camp for a week and phones weren't allowed, so I casually asked him how he'd feel not having internet access for a week. He said fine! Then I told him it was my roundabout way of checking that he wasn't addicted to porn, and we actually laughed about it.

If your kid can get online, porn is gonna reach out and get him -- even my precious, and in many ways very innocent, son. It's a reality that parents have to face. He doesn't seem to have become addicted, thank God, but I know it's done damage. All I can do is hope that it hasn't overwritten his actual desires too badly, because he deserves to have them. All kids do.

 

[Space Police]

I don't know if it's just me or I started to feel like transgender argument is stupid and tiring from all sides, tucutes, truscum, terfs, detransitioners, conservatives, intersex activists, etc. I think anyone's becoming an activists and fighting for a cause ended up being insufferable on themselves. While activists are framing their causes as objective goals, they are inherently subjective. I don't think human can reach true objectivity, because we all have desires and personal experiences. Ultimately all words, all categories, all rules are human made for human society. We're all a bunch of atoms that managed to come together and started to see patterns in things but those are only our interpretation - but none of our interpretation would be a perfect platonic ideals.

Yes, I agree. I'm done with non-comedic tranny/coomer drama, news, politics, and activism. It's just the same things happening over and over again and people saying the same things over and over again, and it's all underlined with vitriol and sanctimoniousness. I know how bad this all is, so I don't need to be educated. There's nothing I can personally do to undo all the harm trans activists cause, nor can I get porn banned -- those things will only happen after devastating lawsuits. People will do bad things, but I have no control over their choices. Infighting between different anti-trans factions is especially gay and only a step above Sektur/e-celeb flinging. People who are big into this activism are either grifters, newfags, or people who have to constantly engage with it/have trauma from it and use this activism as a sanity check. If you're none of the above, you should probably disengage and let trannies exist as a comedic footnote.

 

[TismFarmer]

Today, I was trapped in a space I couldn't leave, in earshot of a child who obsessively played the 'Loony Toons Adventures' theme song over and over and over. Not with a break in the middle for an episode, just the theme song. I had two choices. 1) Grab the device off the child and throw it out the window (device or child, I don't care) and bask in the adulation of every adult who has ears, or 2) Try to ignore it and see what my unconscious brain can do with it.
This is what my brain decided was an appropriate reaction.

Loony Troons Adventures.

We're ugly
We're Troony
And all of us are Loony
And in our costume-ys
We'll invade your privacy!

We're foul and offensive
Assaulting all your senses
You aren't allowed defences
From Perverts when you pee.

So we are all fakers
We're just playing a part
My peen is gone, my vag is wrong
And now it's done a fart!

We all get rejected
Because we're so pathetic
Now Lesbians will sex us
Just to do their part!

We're furries, we're weirdos
And we all know we're pedos
Our fingers smell like Cheetos
And we all live with our Mom

Here's Dylan!
He's Sucky!
Jeffrey Marsh is Yukky
Jazz is Unlucky
And Sophie is Insane!

At all State Universities
Us Hons are all you'll see
The teaching staff's too scared to laugh
'Cause we'll call it Hate Speech!

We're Hated, us Troonys
We're already quite Loony
No suicide prevention
Come on! Let's all get hung!

And now our lives are done.

 

[Lady Bizness]

I think I've got a situational mental illness. When I'm out of town I can't help myself. A few times I have said in a crowded location "you don't pass" as a drive-by. I'm pretty cowardly at work and in public locally.
Maybe I need to go on a Farms diet for awhile. I just can't stand all of the reposted stories where the poster claims that they pass when we all know they do not. This usually results in some embarrassment or frustration for them because they thought they pass until suddenly they don't. We've all been brow beaten into affirmation, and I don't know how they don't see that. But I pass! But also, misgendering should be a fireable offense!
So I feel like I should tell them...when I'm not at home of course.

 

[Aunt Carol]

A few times I have said in a crowded location "you don't pass" as a drive-by. I'm pretty cowardly at work and in public locally.

Eye contact from across the room, then beeline over and tell them how excited you are to see another transwoman. It seems so rare--but you've only been transitioning for six months, after all.

 

[Three Gorillion Dollars]

Why does it seem like pedophiles are suddenly everywhere? It didn't used to be like this. You had the rare poor wretch with a revoltingly miswired brain. Once, pedophiles were born. Now, they're made. Watch too much porn, and it could probably happen to anyone.

I would also look at anime. You already said "no hentai" so I am presumably preaching to the choir, but that industry is rife with tropes that are basically a gateway drug. "She's a 9000 year old demon in a child's body" was an extensive meme twenty years ago. Anime and manga routinely dabble in tropes that should raise eyebrows among anyone with a healthy perspective on life, and there there are productions like Made in Abyss ("Maiden Abyss") which are very clear and lurid illustrations of the creator's depraved fantasies involving children.

Porn is ubiquitous ==> porn is mainstream ==> porn is no longer taboo.

Anyone who has used porn knows that, without discipline, you get bored of what you start with and gravitate towards wilder and more depraved concepts. Ultimately, it's what leads to cabals like Epstein and his pals, because they're so rich and famous that the only thing that is exciting anymore is taking advantage of children (and that's assuming you don't believe the wilder, bloodier stories.) The rise of Only Fans has led to an absolutely insane propagation and normalization of sexual content and pornography because now it can be sold as "empowering."

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Eye contact from across the room, then beeline over and tell them how excited you are to see another transwoman. It seems so rare--but you've only been transitioning for six months, after all.

Fun to assume they are going the other way, too. "Hang in there lil dood, no one can even tell you weren't born male!"

 

[Papa stink]

Got recommended a video about trannies out over a feminine cross-dresser in an anime not being trans and it got me thinking.

Spoiler: Autistic theory on the relation of troons and traps

I'm beginning to think that these trannies' obsession over femboy characters isn't because they see themselves as them, but rather they feel insecure about them. Think about it, these kinds of characters look female, sound female, and dress and may even act female but they still consider themselves guys. They do everything troons do to pass (except surgery and hormones) and are far more successful at "passing" (probably due to being drawings and not reality.) and yet don't identify as women. Troons see this and have their reality shattered at the fact that looking like a woman doesn't automatically make you one. So their response is to astroturf and try to claim these characters as trans. What convinced me of this is how militant they are with it. Editing wikis, sperging when people tell them the character is male, declaring that the canon doesn't mean anything, demanding they make the character trans, and even sabotaging translations to make them trans.

TLDR; Astolfo may be contributing to the 41%

 

[ilovecornsyrup]

I have (unfortunately) had to interact with quite a few troons in real life. I think the common denominator in those interactions has been the sheer, unrestrained autism seeping out through them. I felt like I was talking to a retarded child, except said child was a grown man in a skirt. It got me thinking about how autism seems to affect trannies in their online spaces (I used reddit and tumblr for my research).

You see a lot of black and white thinking. Anyone who disagrees with or even just dares to challenge trans ideology is evil and hateful. In fact, anyone who disrupts their circlejerk is descended on by the mob. Trannies always end up in a circlejerk because the "nice" thing to do is to agree with each other without questioning.

Even if you are a terrible person (pedophile, rapist) you will never be excluded for that as long as you play along. Exclusion is considered to be a form of violence. It reminds me of those nerd groups where you have one guy who's a creep and everyone secretly dislikes, but no one has the guts to kick him out. When everyone in the group is an autistic social outcast, the worst thing you can do is make someone else feel like an outcast.

One of the troons I've talked to was literally incapable of holding a normal conversation without inserting terminally online jokes and references into it. It was a bit sad because 15 years ago he would probably be obsessed with trains or some shit instead of Tumblr, and at least the former doesn't kill your braincells.

TLDR: Trans groups seem really similar to toxic nerd groups, transitioning seems to have become an obsession/special interest for them.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Why does it seem like pedophiles are suddenly everywhere?

They're not. They're far more visible online and tend to visibly cluster, particularly within certain "communities", so they appear like they're everywhere, but they're not.

 

[AMHOLIO]

They're not. They're far more visible online and tend to visibly cluster, particularly within certain "communities", so they appear like they're everywhere, but they're not.

On the one hand, everyone hates seeing pedos, on the other, the more visible they are the easier it is to label them and keep kids away from them. Grouping up has been a boon for the rest of us.

 

[Papa stink]

It was a bit sad because 15 years ago he would probably be obsessed with trains or some shit instead of Tumblr, and at least the former doesn't kill your braincells.

HRT and gender idealogy is to nerds/autistics what crack and gang culture is to black people.

 

[Wallace]

You see a lot of black and white thinking. Anyone who disagrees with or even just dares to challenge trans ideology is evil and hateful. In fact, anyone who disrupts their circlejerk is descended on by the mob. Trannies always end up in a circlejerk because the "nice" thing to do is to agree with each other without questioning.

For a group that uses the rainbow flag as their standard, troons sure do see the world in black and white.

 

[WSPWSPWSPWSP]

I'm sure it has been stated before, but I think Transgenderism and the pushing of identity politics as a whole is conditioning society for transhumanism. The idea that a person can be changed fundamentally, or "improved" via surgery is definetley a sentiment both parties can agree with. If this movement continues, I can only see it progressing that way. To become a new improved "woman" one day, to a sexless (non-binary) robot the next.

I would highly suggest for people to read Martine Rothblatt's book "From Transgender to Transhuman". For those who are unaware of this individual, he's a psychotic billionaire troon who created Sirius Satelite.