Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

Sharing this, getting this off my chest as Im starting to become better and better mentally. I wonder how many of you can relate to this.
I feel like my teen and preteen years were stolen to me by not only the troon cult, but progressive ideology as a whole. Its just crazy how when I think back on things vs seeing people who lived out those years normally, how much I was groomed into being an adult and not being able to simply be a kid.

I read your posts and I really relate a lot. Thankfully I never trooned out but I could call myself a desister and for a very long time I was part of the cult as a supporter without questioning anything. To be fair one of the things that made me peak was investigating to be able to defend them, the more I researched the more I lost hope until I understood.
I was a very young non conforming homosexual looking for a place to be understood, but the people I thought would save me from my misery poisoned my brain with a guilt tripping ideology that was made to worship and protect these freaks, I realize these people I trusted were just using me, and they stole my teenage years by making me paranoid about all of this gender wars and political things. I really wished I never got involved in any of it and just enjoyed my youth instead of being brainwashed.



In some other topic, here's something I've been thinking for a while.

I have the belief that lgb's and the tq's wouldnt have as many issues with eachoethers if we agreed in a distinction between same sex and same gender identity atraction and not call both of them being gay/lesbian. I still think is retarded to segregate things more and making more labels but I do see that we understand being gay as a completely different thing from what they understand as gay, and I mean theyre the ones who made the whole "sex and gender are different things" so why don't they acknowledge that when it comes to sexuality instead of harassing gay men into wanting pussy or lesbians into wanting dick? I mean they already made a distinction between sexual attraction (misinterpreting sex as in fornication and kink) and romantic attraction and they're fine with that.
And I don't mean as the whole super straight/gay/lesbian which is worded as "anything except troons" I mean something that was based on biological sex attraction, not targeting tranys directly so that normies have no guilt identifying as such. Or more like making some new label for gender identity attraction instead so we no longer call them homosexuals/heterosexuals or whatever.
Yeah this is a little bit of a retarded take because trannies would find a way to victimize themselves with this anyways but at lest we could be a little more peaceful and not unintentionally make them reee by being ourselves and normies could be less scared of not being into troons

 

[Gay Communist Gun Club]

If your personality is based entirely on being trans, you are incredibly dull and I probably want nothing to do with you. I'm constantly thinking, "If you weren't on hormones, would I find any part of you remotely interesting?" and the answer is almost always no.

Getting your tits chopped off and putting a gel on your knees once a week isn't inherently interesting, you gotta bring something more to the table. And 'my experiences as a (person who is uninteresting outside of their medical decisions)' is always a fun one to deal with.

Treating them neutrally drives most of them mad because it's not getting (ugh) validated or giving them ammo to feel like a victim.

I've often thought about how I would react if a female partner or my wife decided to transition and for the sake of both of our happiness it would be breakup/divorce on the spot. You can pursue that and be happy but I want nothing to do with it, and having a new 'husband/boyfriend' and trying to grin and pretend it was okay would make me neck myself.

 

[Aunt Carol]

The only thing missing from this doc was looking at detransitioners and what they have to say.

The overweight black woman was a detransitioner; she just was talking about the trans movement in general, not her own experience, and she didn't have the frog voice.

I thought it could have gone more into how "affirmation" is one-way due to social pressure, and that unmedicalized kids mostly turn into adult gays, but this clearly wasn't the medical kind of documentary.

 

[Bug Soldier]

I don't know if anyone has ever noticed this but 'misgendering as a punishment, using preferred pronouns as respect' has brought up a lot of funny irony that a lot of Kiwis even fall into.

A few years ago before troonism has become a menace it is now today, many people decided that they would use preferred pronouns for trannies that were relatively nice and well behaving as a sign of respect, and that they'd misgender the only insane and disruptive ones. I think this is a stance most people who haven't interacted much with troons and still trying to be polite have. Now I see it a lot more common for people here to blanket misgender all transgender people for various reason, but people who still take a polite stance still exist.

The ironic bit come up when this 'polite stance' meets nice, but regretting transgender people who are halfway aware that they couldn't really become an actual member of the opposite sex, they might even admit that their surgeries brought them a lot of pain. Most people like this kind of self-awareness and so they reward these regretting trannies with 'pronoun respect' and call them with their social pronouns without realising that if you between the lines, a lot of these people do want to detransition but feel like they're too damaged to do so, or they think they need reconstruction surgery to truly detransition and they don't want more complications, or they think if they detransition they need to be gender conforming in they way they dress or act. For them, to continue living as socially transgender but 'spiritually given up' is the path of least resistance, but it's not the only answer... we end up reinforcing troon ideology in this politeness, it's reinforcing they're indeed too far gone to get out of the cult.

It's a tough spot espcially if you're empathetic, because it feels rude to tell them to their faces that detransition doesn't need any of that. It feels dismissive of their suffering. I just think it's both sad and funny that if we see misgendering as a punishment and using the pronoun as respect, then we're secretly enforcing gender ideology on people who have the chance to break free from it. It's like "Yeah it sucks that you got your cock and balls chopped off, but I'll call you with she/her because you're nice"

 

[Izdaja Slika]

I have the belief that lgb's and the tq's wouldnt have as many issues with eachoethers if we agreed in a distinction between same sex and same gender identity atraction and not call both of them being gay/lesbian. I still think is retarded to segregate things more and making more labels but I do see that we understand being gay as a completely different thing from what they understand as gay, and I mean theyre the ones who made the whole "sex and gender are different things" so why don't they acknowledge that when it comes to sexuality instead of harassing gay men into wanting pussy or lesbians into wanting dick?

There is no compromise with the trans cult. These people are so fucked up they have redefined 'lesbian' to mean 'a non-man attracted to non-men'. They are so misogynistic that lesbians can't even be women anymore: they are non-men.

Anybody who can bring themselves to say, and possibly believe, that sexual attraction is based on 'gender identity' and not on sex cannot be reasoned with. They have lost their mind. They are dangerous nutcases. The TQ needs to be severed from LGB, becuase they ought never have been placed together in the first place.

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

There is no compromise with the trans cult. These people are so fucked up they have redefined 'lesbian' to mean 'a non-man attracted to non-men'. They are so misogynistic that lesbians can't even be women anymore: they are non-men.

Anybody who can bring themselves to say, and possibly believe, that sexual attraction is based on 'gender identity' and not on sex cannot be reasoned with. They have lost their mind. They are dangerous nutcases. The TQ needs to be severed from LGB, becuase they ought never have been placed together in the first place.

Yeah, this is why I say is a bit of a retarded take. But I think the LBG and I really mean real gays who are same sex attracted to redefine again and make things as clear as possible, because if we don't we let these fuckers walk over us and change the meaning of our words

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

I’m trying to find a silver lining on the tranny menace.

Is there any hope or indication that the trans population is going down through detransition or simply not being able to “recruit” (groom) kids as much?

Also what would be the most effective countermeasure to make sure kids are not trannified going forward?

 

[Baraadmirer]

I have the belief that lgb's and the tq's wouldnt have as many issues with eachoethers if we agreed in a distinction between same sex and same gender identity atraction and not call both of them being gay/lesbian. I still think is retarded to segregate things more and making more labels but I do see that we understand being gay as a completely different thing from what they understand as gay, and I mean theyre the ones who made the whole "sex and gender are different things" so why don't they acknowledge that when it comes to sexuality instead of harassing gay men into wanting pussy or lesbians into wanting dick? I mean they already made a distinction between sexual attraction (misinterpreting sex as in fornication and kink) and romantic attraction and they're fine with that.

That seemed to be the case around 2018, but then it appears malcontents took umbrage with not being sought after by their desired demographic, so now the distinction's broken down in an attempt to coerce people to have sex with people they don't want to via shame. It's why I'd like to refer to myself as a homosexual over being gay, but I'd be accused of internalised homophobia.

 

[TheCakeIsALie]

Remember when being trans was in the dsm as a mental illness? Yeah, let’s bring that back. None of this gender dysphoria bs

 

[Idiot Sandwich the 3rd]

That seemed to be the case around 2018, but then it appears malcontents took umbrage with not being sought after by their desired demographic, so now the distinction's broken down in an attempt to coerce people to have sex with people they don't want to via shame. It's why I'd like to refer to myself as a homosexual over being gay, but I'd be accused of internalised homophobia.

Hmmm yeah. Being gay used to be about same sex attraction until very recently, its not a new concept. But I dotn thing there has even been a definition for same "gender" attraction. And that's my point of interest about this topic, even though is not something I believe these people has put so much effort into the idea that gender identity and biological sex are two different things UNTIL it's about sexual orientation. They just never bothered making a new term for that, instead they just took and changed the meaning of something else and now that's a problem to everyone. And its just so frustrating that there's no effort from either side to make a distinction between same sex and same gender attraction

 

[AI generated waifu]

Hmmm yeah. Being gay used to be about same sex attraction until very recently, its not a new concept. But I dotn thing there has even been a definition for same "gender" attraction. And that's my point of interest about this topic, even though is not something I believe these people has put so much effort into the idea that gender identity and biological sex are two different things UNTIL it's about sexual orientation. They just never bothered making a new term for that, instead they just took and changed the meaning of something else and now that's a problem to everyone. And its just so frustrating that there's no effort from either side to make a distinction between same sex and same gender attraction

Unfortunately, I think any distinction at all is going to be met with extreme scrutiny from the trans movement. They actually don't want there to be clarity, because they can only get their validation by redefining words and taking full advantage of the 'grey zone' in their definitions.

This is why they try to redefine 'woman', then move on to redefining 'female' and claiming to be 'biologically female'. Even AFAB gets criticism, since that could still be used to draw a clear division between them and the sex they are trying to become. They need to be 'lesbians', anything else would invalidate their woman identity.

This is why 'cis' and 'trans' are used to distinguish real women from larping men, it presents the two as natural, equal states of being a woman (with 'cis' having privilege over 'trans'). This is also why they hate 'super straight' and 'super gay' (since it implies sex as the defining factor of your orientation), but make up terms like 'gynesexual' or 'gynephile', since that's a word they can use to reframe exclusive same sex attraction as a creepy or weird 'genital fetish' whilst keeping the word 'lesbian' for themselves.

They hate divisions, because any division reminds them of what they are. Sex has to be replaced with gender in all cases. They need to control the language.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Remember when being trans was in the dsm as a mental illness? Yeah, let’s bring that back. None of this gender dysphoria bs

They want to have it both ways because they insist that they are not mentally or physically ill, but they also insist that if they don't get drugs and surgery immediately they will literally die. So they want to be treated as though they have a chronic illness, but they don't want people to be allowed to describe it as such.

 

[AMHOLIO]

They want to have it both ways because they insist that they are not mentally or physically ill, but they also insist that if they don't get drugs and surgery immediately they will literally die. So they want to be treated as though they have a chronic illness, but they don't want people to be allowed to describe it as such.

Having a disability requires testing and criteria. The only criteria radical trans people want is "Do you want to be a boy, a girl, or some other gender? Please type in what you want and we will provide." The drugs and surgeries are just a character customization pack, not fucking actual drugs and possible side effect surgery like they should be treated as. No wonder why they cross over to the trans human movement so much - gibs me free upgrades plz.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

I don't know if it's just me or I started to feel like transgender argument is stupid and tiring from all sides, tucutes, truscum, terfs, detransitioners, conservatives, intersex activists, etc. I think anyone's becoming an activists and fighting for a cause ended up being insufferable on themselves. While activists are framing their causes as objective goals, they are inherently subjective. I don't think human can reach true objectivity, because we all have desires and personal experiences. Ultimately all words, all categories, all rules are human made for human society. We're all a bunch of atoms that managed to come together and started to see patterns in things but those are only our interpretation - but none of our interpretation would be a perfect platonic ideals.

It is probably like the tale of blind men and an elephant - everyone has a piece of truth but they don't have the whole picture. There are even some views from troons that I think are good arguments (even though I disagree with them for the most part) and even there, wheter I agree or disagree with them is subjective too.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I don't know if it's just me or I started to feel like transgender argument is stupid and tiring from all sides, tucutes, truscum, terfs, detransitioners, conservatives, intersex activists, etc. I think anyone's becoming an activists and fighting for a cause ended up being insufferable on themselves. While activists are framing their causes as objective goals, they are inherently subjective. I don't think human can reach true objectivity, because we all have desires and personal experiences. Ultimately all words, all categories, all rules are human made for human society. We're all a bunch of atoms that managed to come together and started to see patterns in things but those are only our interpretation - but none of our interpretation would be a perfect platonic ideals.

It is probably like the tale of blind men and an elephant - everyone has a piece of truth but they don't have the whole picture. There are even some views from troons that I think are good arguments (even though I disagree with them for the most part) and even there, wheter I agree or disagree with them is subjective too.

I guess "we shouldn't be sterilizing children in the name of transgender ideology" is a subjective opinion, but it is one that I am absolutely not going to budge on anyway. Even if my interpretation isn't a perfect platonic ideal, I feel that it is still morally correct.

 

[AMHOLIO]

We're all a bunch of atoms that managed to come together and started to see patterns in things but those are only our interpretation - but none of our interpretation would be a perfect platonic ideals.

Sorry, had to.

You're right, no human will be objective all the time. There's still good arguments being made from people we disagree with. It's part of being human.

There are too many grifters on the internet that act up for money or attention. You're right that even people we might agree with can be merciless grifters and attentionwhores. This is just the nature of social media pushing the most committed (re: crazy) forward.

I think it's good to step away from troon drama when you feel like this. A lot of us bitch and laugh about troons for fun rather than a tireless battle against a painfully large subject, or alternate between the two to stave burnout and to remember we're here to just laugh at people on the net for fun. Sometimes, it's best to log off or lurk on another subforum to keep your mind from getting exhausted over an ideological war filled with mentally unstable people on all sides with no end in sight.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

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Sorry, had to.

You're right, no human will be objective all the time. There's still good arguments being made from people we disagree with. It's part of being human.

There are too many grifters on the internet that act up for money or attention. You're right that even people we might agree with can be merciless grifters and attentionwhores. This is just the nature of social media pushing the most committed (re: crazy) forward.

I think it's good to step away from troon drama when you feel like this. A lot of us bitch and laugh about troons for fun rather than a tireless battle against a painfully large subject, or alternate between the two to stave burnout and to remember we're here to just laugh at people on the net for fun. Sometimes, it's best to log off or lurk on another subforum to keep your mind from getting exhausted over an ideological war filled with mentally unstable people on all sides with no end in sight.

My problems are more that I end up getting a little too sympathetic to troons sometimes (even though I still disagree with them) or I end up disagreeing on some topics with people I should be agreeing with. The reason why I posted this in the first place was more about how I find some troon-critical activists online crazy in their own ways, and how I occasionally disagree with otherwise sensible and rational people (as in 'Your argument is good but I still disagree'), and I'm not saying that they are cow-level annoying, but they end up being annoying to me regardless.

A lot of times I feel like there's no camp I belong to. I just hate how this shit is spreading everywhere and previously things that are not part of the ideology war are swallowed up. I kind of wish I can just follow a certain set of beliefs because it seems like what people do now, many of my friends got radicalized and we drifted apart, some trooned out. It's probably better if I can just believe in some ideologicaly wholeheartedly but I can't. It would be a bliss though, at least I'd have my own echochamber who agreed with me about everything.

 

[800 Chupacabras]

I don't know if it's just me or I started to feel like transgender argument is stupid and tiring from all sides, tucutes, truscum, terfs, detransitioners, conservatives, intersex activists, etc. I think anyone's becoming an activists and fighting for a cause ended up being insufferable on themselves. While activists are framing their causes as objective goals, they are inherently subjective. I don't think human can reach true objectivity, because we all have desires and personal experiences. Ultimately all words, all categories, all rules are human made for human society. We're all a bunch of atoms that managed to come together and started to see patterns in things but those are only our interpretation - but none of our interpretation would be a perfect platonic ideals.

It is probably like the tale of blind men and an elephant - everyone has a piece of truth but they don't have the whole picture. There are even some views from troons that I think are good arguments (even though I disagree with them for the most part) and even there, wheter I agree or disagree with them is subjective too.

I’ve started viewing transgenderism as a hyperstition. It is an idea that “brings about its own reality” and encodes itself upon the world as its own sigil of power. It does not matter what anybody believes at this point, whether anyone is right or wrong, whether it is subjective or objective; it’s beyond the realm of top-down inquiry at this point. This ideology has insisted upon its own existence so strongly that now it is viewed to always have been, when it was either an aberration of the psyche (paraphilia) or a practical tool of social mobility (eunuchs, castrati, two-souls, etc). It’s a monstrous intrusion upon our human reality that’s beyond the control of any commentator or activist.

Archive of article summarizing hyperstition as a concept

 

[FATTESTCUNT 2.0]

Jolyon Maugham and his "Good Law Project" claimed on X that there had been a large spike in suicides when puberty blockers were banned as a result of the Bell Vs. Tavistock case (a ban that got overturned on appeal), and that there would therefore be a huge surge in suicides if Wes Streeting's proposed puberty blocker ban goes through. Apparently this was based on data from 2 whistleblowers who said that these suicides were covered up.

This claim was retweeted by many of the usual suspects. Troons, activist "journalists", and other associated retards.

It spread so much that the UK government had an independent inquiry done, and found that the whole thing was bullshit. The summary of the report: -

1. The data do not support the claim that there has been a large rise in suicide in young gender dysphoria patients at the Tavistock.
2. The way that this issue has been discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing and dangerous, and goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.
3. The claims that have been placed in the public domain do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence.
4. There is a need to move away from the perception that puberty-blocking drugs are the main marker of non-judgemental acceptance in this area of health care.
5. We need to ensure high quality data in which everyone has confidence, as the basis of improved safety for this at risk group of young people.

You can read the full thing here: -

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

https://archive.is/knv85

 

[Aunt Carol]

Thinking about a discussion in the "Losing People to Transgenderism" thread, about how most adult gays and lesbians remember thinking about being the other sex as a kid; maybe that was what was up with them! I brought up that even if you aren't reminiscing with the homos, it shows up in memoirs and biographies, too.

I've seen the same thing with lesbian women, and it's reflected in a lot of memoirs. Young homosexuals figuring themselves out and trying "man-liking = woman, and I wouldn't be disappointing my parents by not wanting to go out for football/just generally being faggy if I were a girl all along." Even non-homosexual guys who just grew up to be nerds and not good at physical stuff can entertain that. But it's also a thought-experiment, because there isn't a switch or a way to go back and be born the other sex, and the grass is always greener.

One thing that's changed is the trans movement that says "actually you can easily and meaningfully change sex," and is really invested in getting that "fact" into kids' heads as early as possible, so when they try to find themselves, the trans dead end is part of the accepted map they're using to plot their course.

Think back to cozy memoirs and young adult books pre-troonery and how many of them had a protagonist speculate about how it would have been different being a boy/girl, but not dwell on it and continue being dorky/quirky/proto-gay instead. Imagine inserting 300 extra pages after that chapter, where instead of advancing the plot the protagonist just climbs further and further up their own asshole and meets a new cast of self-important lovebombers to teach them to walk on eggshells, and they never manage to save the world/grow up and become a cartoonist/spy on their neighbors and learn life lessons after all.

This got me thinking: how many examples could someone find, if they had an autistic devotion to task and read lots of gay people's auto/biographies, at least through the childhood sections? A list of all the living, reasonably happy gay celebrities who have a funny story about how they "wanted to be a girl/boy," and thus might have drunk the troon-ade if they'd been born 30 years later.

It'd be food for thought, moreso if you could get one in the position of defending why trooning out wasn't the answer for them back then, but it's totes the answer for thousands of kids now. Add in biographies of any strong women who admitted to a moment of "but boys can do it; maybe I should be a boy." Good news; it's never too late! And if you don't poon out now at age 50, we'll just wait a few decades and posthumously baptize you based on this paragraph of your biography.

One thing that reminded me of this was the clip of Rachel Levine saying he's happiest to have his children, wouldn't trade them for not being a hon, but anyway yeah no problem sterilizing other proto-Rachels so they can't, because they'll be happier to transition in childhood.