Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Nighttime Springtime]

I feel like this from Carl Jung sums it up so well, except at the end of this, as the contagion dissipates, it's going to be a whole lot more devastating to realise it wasn’t even an internal problem that was always going to reveal itself, but instead a social media and porn induced sickness that had no way of infecting one’s head naturally.

 

[Faggy Blanket]

In high school, my main friend group for a time was all girls. These girls were all spergs and into fandom, One Direction, MCU, yaoi shippers, you name it. They were into cosplay and changing their fandom account names to guy names, AKA the exact demographic that poons out. At the time I didn't realize it was abnormal, I thought the gender shit was just LARPing and no one got mad over names or pronouns. I fell out with them before graduation for different reasons, but I decided to look at my Facebook today and check up on them.

Almost all of them pooned out. I almost didn't recognize them in my friends list. They had the legal name changes and scraggly T pube beards and everything. I can't say if they're happy or not with what they've chosen in life, but pooning out is never a good sign. One of them seems to have dropped out of college after being a great student in HS, and the trans contagion-mental illness probably had something to do with it. Another one used to play varsity soccer, now she's gained a shitton of weight and looks like a gender blob.

Minor PL but back then I was an effeminate faggot and not comfortable with masculinity at all. Ironically, we were all friends because none of us fit the mold for macho straight dude or feminine diva. I never talked to them about my masculinity issues, but I wonder if I could've planted the seeds of doubt. Maybe it would've done fuck all, but at least I could've tried? These girls all had bright futures ahead of them, and now they're living life as walking science experiments. This has me pretty depressed.

 

[AMHOLIO]

@TruffleSpark

I started thinking about this because of trannies, but I think it is a broader problem with liberals. They have the fantasy world that exists inside their heads, and they have actual material reality, and the big project of their lives is to erase the boundary between those two worlds. They think if they believe in it hard enough their fantasy world will become real, and they get angry when this fails to actually happen.

I'm going to be the "um, acktually" asshole here and say this is a broader problem with most ideological branches that don't account for human nature or how the world works. I think hard leftism is the easiest to point out though since examples like communism & lysenkoism are perfect to point to. Currently, leftism is the prevailing loud cultural voice so they have a lot more leniency and a lot more support to try and inplement more extreme and stupid ideas. Don't worry, I'm supportive on making fun of them (and troons) still, more of pointing out that this is a cross alise problem.

I am a dumbass myself and I've likely fallen into this before myself and will probably do it again. I think it's humans trying and failing to deal with the fact that reality can suck and we are flawed retards who can only change so much.

When you spend enough time around troons it's hard not to see that they are literally just men who like to play dress up, yet somehow some people gaslight themselves into thinking otherwise.

I got a few theories. One is that it would be nice to accept everyone, the ideal lefty state, and the fear of being judgemental. Two is that we don't want to deal with something like that so confronting that IRL your brain can downplay it. Three is that you don't want it to be true: it's gross to think about and uncomfortable as fuck.

Points 1-3 I strongly agree with. Point 4 is a new perspective that I too wish isn't real but you know it fucking is and that is disappointing.

Two is very interesting since it's such a big component of being left and obnoxious: being smarter and more "enlightened" than you rightoid dumbasses. You can see it when atheists make fun of conservative Christians for believing in a God, the sort of club that is way too educated for your silly superstitions like bigotry. The cultural elitism marks an obnoxious leftists and most ironically comes from upper middle class and above champagne socialists, dunking on the silly unelightened repubs who are totally rednecks and old rich white dudes only, somehow being classist and ageist at the same time. Feeling better than someone is such a compelling drug (so compelling it gets people to powerlevel over cows) that I wouldn't be surprised if that was a major component that fuels this, even if it's minor in some people.

Maybe it would've done fuck all, but at least I could've tried? These girls all had bright futures ahead of them, and now they're living life as walking science experiments. This has me pretty depressed.

You know it might not have helped, but your empathy is a good thing and I hope you stay good to people that way.

 

[YWNBAM]

In high school, my main friend group for a time was all girls. These girls were all spergs and into fandom, One Direction, MCU, yaoi shippers, you name it.

The moral here? We need TFD (Total Fujo Death). They are just as shameless, addicted to unnatural types of porn, and like to shove it in your face literally everywhere. Especially if it's a fandom with a child audience or a lot of younger girls who don't have much experience with relationship dynamics or romance.

Exposing little girls to overtly sexual gay stuff is just as bad as showing degenerate shit like traps and futas to little boys. It can fuck them up for life.

Except fujos are always protected by the shield of "muh representation" and "love is love".

While traps went mainstream in recent years before staying underground for so long, yaoi has been out there for decades, corrupting everything in sight, both female and male media. Fujo creators and artists sneak gay shit into things like children's manga, slowly infecting every reader. For example: literally every shounen and shoujo manga in existence that is written or being otherwise influenced by fujos. Autistic little girls find them, read the coded gay sexual tension, and think that as females they will never experience such exciting and equal dynamics, that only guys can have such cool relationships, while women are, like, sooo boring and only exist to pander to the male gaze.

But it's obvious bs. Fujos just find female bodies (themselves then, lol) repulsive because of their insecurities and negative experiences with sexualization of women (in media or irl). They seek porn that is free of toxic hetero dynamics, unaware of the irony that the way for them to get off is to literally kill their female self, leave the women to the background of the story, and be a voyeuristic observer, clapping to and gushing over 'muh gay boys'. Pretty fitting for the patriarchal, sexist society that they are usually so much against, huh?

If there are no women, then everything is equal and not so scary about sex. Men can handle awful things happening to them, while women cannot. Men can only be sexualized if they are in the intercourse with another man. These are the kinds of vibe I was alway getting from them. Btw this is why such gross stuff like omegaverse and cuntboys is also so damn popular with pooners too.

BL media is one of the main gateways to turn into a pooner or some sort of nonbinary fairy. No matter how some more stable fujos are against this current year madness or deny any part in it, I stand my ground with this statement.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Every now and then I browse r/detrans. I'm not absurdly bisexual but I can appreciate good looks from either gender, and all I can think of is "it took 3 years for this chick to become a soy-smirk teenage "man", yet it took 8 months off HRT to become a woman society should not be robbed of".

Like.. they ALWAYS look terminally online, either in terms of dressing like their favorite porn OC or some punk kid with 20-30 piercings in their entire face, often already adhering to the fashion design of a community centered around mostly bisexuals who wouldn't care about your gender anyway.

 

[Bloo]

I do wonder what the transgender movement will be like in ten or even twenty years time. The NHS is very slowly coming around when it comes to young kids and teenagers at least, they’re also finally going to support detransitioners. The Cass Report was a very good step forward. I do have hope for the medical field in Britain at least.

I do think the huge trend with young people will eventually die. We will have a ton more detransitioners. They can only pretend that they are an extremely low percentage for so long.

i am seeing the rose coloured glasses slip for more and more people. People who previously supported the movement are now finally seeing what’s actually happening, I’m one of them.

They really have shot themselves in the foot. Over ten years ago barely anyone thought about the trans thing for very long at all. Most people had the vague “live and let live” mentality and hadn’t deeply considered the ramifications whatsoever. They decided to turn a very small community into this huge movement. Now people are actually questioning what it means to be trans and how it affects people around them, that’s the worst thing that could have happened to them. They could have remained in their small bubbles and continued to take their HRT/have surgeries.

 

[Jacques1194]

I do wonder what the transgender movement will be like in ten or even twenty years time. The NHS is very slowly coming around when it comes to young kids and teenagers at least, they’re also finally going to support detransitioners. The Cass Report was a very good step forward. I do have hope for the medical field in Britain at least.

I do think the huge trend with young people will eventually die. We will have a ton more detransitioners. They can only pretend that they are an extremely low percentage for so long.

i am seeing the rose coloured glasses slip for more and more people. People who previously supported the movement are now finally seeing what’s actually happening, I’m one of them.

They really have shot themselves in the foot. Over ten years ago barely anyone thought about the trans thing for very long at all. Most people had the vague “live and let live” mentality and hadn’t deeply considered the ramifications whatsoever. They decided to turn a very small community into this huge movement. Now people are actually questioning what it means to be trans and how it affects people around them, that’s the worst thing that could have happened to them. They could have remained in their small bubbles and continued to take their HRT/have surgeries.

Give me a rainbow but truthfully speaking I don't see the trans community surviving the next 20 let alone 10 years. Trans acceptance has only gone down because no matter how nice people are no one really sees them as whatever gender they identify with. Lets be real here, concepts like non binary, and etc will be a past memory of stupid kids jumping on a trend. I know trans people will claim they will always exist and wont go away, (which to be honest no one argued that gender dysphoric people will stop existing) but people by that point will go back to seeing them as weirdos who are chasing a fantasy. Its funny though because many of them are hoping that technology will advance far enough to where womb transplants for TIMs will be possible by that point, but anyone with basic knowledge of the human body knows that wont be possible even in the next 100 years.

 

[Danann]

I really don't get why so many people are running with the whole "preferred pronouns" idea at all. Its one thing for troons to use it but its another for more "normal" people to use them, and all in all is heavily mocked on the level of the gender shit these days. But deep down, I know this is wrong and clearly as the "newspeak" way to refer to people rather than sex or gender, considering the whole "they're social constructs" queer theory says.
I don't want to live in a world where calling a normal guy is required to be "he/him" than just a guy/man/dude/whatever.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I really don't get why so many people are running with the whole "preferred pronouns" idea at all. Its one thing for troons to use it but its another for more "normal" people to use them, and all in all is heavily mocked on the level of the gender shit these days.

It's a shibboleth, it's a way of communicating in group identification. This is also why the jargon has to keep changing, if everyone starts using the jargon it becomes useless to sort the in group from the out group. The way it is right now, you can see how involved with the in group someone is by how up to date they are on the language. If someone is still using jargon that went out of date a year ago, you can judge that they will be friendly to the in group but also aren't heavily involved enough in it that members of the in group can trust them. Whereas someone who refuses to play stupid language games can be safely identified as an enemy.

 

[bouquetnine]

Give me a rainbow but truthfully speaking I don't see the trans community surviving the next 20 let alone 10 years. Trans acceptance has only gone down because no matter how nice people are no one really sees them as whatever gender they identify with. Lets be real here, concepts like non binary, and etc will be a past memory of stupid kids jumping on a trend. I know trans people will claim they will always exist and wont go away, (which to be honest no one argued that gender dysphoric people will stop existing) but people by that point will go back to seeing them as weirdos who are chasing a fantasy. Its funny though because many of them are hoping that technology will advance far enough to where womb transplants for TIMs will be possible by that point, but anyone with basic knowledge of the human body knows that wont be possible even in the next 100 years.

Trans acceptance is going down because no matter how much society tries to pander to these fuckers they continue to demand more and more. They want to physically assault women in sports. They want to physically assault people for highlighting their delusion. They want us to pay for their endless surgeries to turn them into a sex doll. Even when they are in a community of like-minded people that won't treat them like the freaks they are, they are still absolutely miserable.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

It's a shibboleth, it's a way of communicating in group identification. This is also why the jargon has to keep changing, if everyone starts using the jargon it becomes useless to sort the in group from the out group. The way it is right now, you can see how involved with the in group someone is by how up to date they are on the language. If someone is still using jargon that went out of date a year ago, you can judge that they will be friendly to the in group but also aren't heavily involved enough in it that members of the in group can trust them. Whereas someone who refuses to play stupid language games can be safely identified as an enemy.

So exactly like prison argot.

 

[TruffleSpark]

So exactly like prison argot.

I hadn't thought of that, but it is an excellent analogy.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

I really don't get why so many people are running with the whole "preferred pronouns" idea at all. Its one thing for troons to use it but its another for more "normal" people to use them, and all in all is heavily mocked on the level of the gender shit these days. But deep down, I know this is wrong and clearly as the "newspeak" way to refer to people rather than sex or gender, considering the whole "they're social constructs" queer theory says.
I don't want to live in a world where calling a normal guy is required to be "he/him" than just a guy/man/dude/whatever.

Worked briefly at an overwhelmingly woke music festival but they still had to make ends meet. They ALL had pronouns in their emails but not one person actually used them. Even the cis heteros who wrote "they/them". Nobody used them. The one time they actually had a troon in, they were mostly ignored cause the entire speech was about making ends meet and profiting. A troon safe toilet was a 30 sec buzzword slide on the powerpoint cause yknow. All festival toilets are unisex. Who gives a shit.

I can imagine 5-6 years down the line when most troons are detransitioned or killed themselves you'll find people you can immediately gauge as being ex-troons. "Of course you were". People who cling to every little chance to identify and belong to a group. Furries, weebs, troons, minecraft streamer watchers, gamegrumps gooners, rooster teeth sycophants, jerma jelqers. Some people jump from game trend to game trend like these mfers jump from community to community, scared of having a thought of their own.

"Gotta.. gotta draw this character saying TRANS RIGHTS else I cant play this game about... dragons and orcs in a fantasy land!"

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Sane responses to lady railing against Cass Review in the NYT.

She goes on to note that, “[a]s much as Cass’s report insists that all lives — trans lives, cis lives, non-binary lives — have equal value, taken in full it seems to have a clear, paramount goal: making living life in the sex you are assigned at birth as attractive and likely as possible.” Ignore, for a moment, the pseudoscientific language — sex is not an arbitrary assignment but a biological fact — and focus on what is being criticised here: the desire for children to avoid unnecessary hormones and surgeries and strife through self-acceptance.

Yes, in fact, accepting your one and only body — rather than waging an unending war on your flesh and the world’s perceptions — is the best possible outcome for every patient who turns up at a gender clinic. It is truly remarkable that saying so has become fraught at all.

https://unherd.com/newsroom/nyt-columnist-refuses-to-accept-cass-review-findings/

I do wonder what the transgender movement will be like in ten or even twenty years time. The NHS is very slowly coming around when it comes to young kids and teenagers at least, they’re also finally going to support detransitioners. The Cass Report was a very good step forward. I do have hope for the medical field in Britain at least.

I do think the huge trend with young people will eventually die. We will have a ton more detransitioners. They can only pretend that they are an extremely low percentage for so long.

i am seeing the rose coloured glasses slip for more and more people. People who previously supported the movement are now finally seeing what’s actually happening, I’m one of them.

I really do think in ~10 years the child trooning stuff is going to be like Iraq War or sth. Everyone, including (or especially?) the most ardent supporters now will still say "Oh I never supported that, I always thought it was crazy."

I'm still amazed the TRA movement convinced libtards that this is just "the new gay people" up to and including mutilating children.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Had the mandatory lecture on gender and sexuality today, it was only surface level but we still got the whole talk on how people might identify as something other than what they were born as, use different pronouns, "you don't have to understand it or even agree but you must respect how people identify". I have a feeling half the people saying as much have no clue what they're talking about either - they hear "trapped in the wrong body" and that gender dysphoria is a debilitating condition, therefore we should call the man in a dress "she" and the girl with pink hair and low self esteem "they", but once you dive deeper it gets a lot more degenerate and incoherent. The ideas of "girldick", that someone can demand a new name and pronouns while putting zero effort into their transition, "egg cracking" (aka troon grooming) and xenogenders/nounself pronouns never come up, but if they did I reckon normies would go "wait a minute, this is fucked" and stop blindly following troon ideology. So far I've only had to work with one they/them (biologically female, but with a softboi name and hairy legs) and simply skirted around the issue by not using pronouns at all and calling her by name, but if I ever get stuck with an AGP or a zoomer gendie with ear gauges, some stupid name like Bug and ze/zir pronouns I may just lose it.

Bit of a vent post, but it's relevant and I'm simply fed up. I really hope people's predictions are right and several years down the track we all realise this is silly at best, dangerous at worst. Imagine if "diversity and inclusion" training was all about respecting people's identity as goth, skater, punk or other subcultures, or about how lobotomies are a human right.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

If I had to work with a pronouns person, I'd ask about their pronouns, as reads one of those badge texts of theirs, and I'd ask again every damn day. You know, SO MANY people like you these days, hard to keep up with all the pronouns and I don't want to mess up. On the other badge, you say? But my eyesight is shitty, is that a badge for ants?
...But in reality, I'd more likely try to avoid interacting with them.

 

[Muttley]

Had the mandatory lecture on gender and sexuality today, it was only surface level but we still got the whole talk on how people might identify as something other than what they were born as, use different pronouns, "you don't have to understand it or even agree but you must respect how people identify". I have a feeling half the people saying as much have no clue what they're talking about either - they hear "trapped in the wrong body" and that gender dysphoria is a debilitating condition, therefore we should call the man in a dress "she" and the girl with pink hair and low self esteem "they", but once you dive deeper it gets a lot more degenerate and incoherent. The ideas of "girldick", that someone can demand a new name and pronouns while putting zero effort into their transition, "egg cracking" (aka troon grooming) and xenogenders/nounself pronouns never come up, but if they did I reckon normies would go "wait a minute, this is fucked" and stop blindly following troon ideology. So far I've only had to work with one they/them (biologically female, but with a softboi name and hairy legs) and simply skirted around the issue by not using pronouns at all and calling her by name, but if I ever get stuck with an AGP or a zoomer gendie with ear gauges, some stupid name like Bug and ze/zir pronouns I may just lose it.

Bit of a vent post, but it's relevant and I'm simply fed up. I really hope people's predictions are right and several years down the track we all realise this is silly at best, dangerous at worst. Imagine if "diversity and inclusion" training was all about respecting people's identity as goth, skater, punk or other subcultures, or about how lobotomies are a human right.

In the US I feel like this could easily cross the line into violating freedom of religion.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

I'd say I'm generally open-minded and can play-pretend, especially in a "sober" situation such as real life, but I'm starting to think I genuinely wouldn't be able to play along with a troon. Saw a linkedin post from aforementioned DEI festival and there was a blatantly nonpassing troon next to the chick I worked with, who is if anything, dangerhair non-straight chubby poly-bait type alt girl. And even she was normal looking next to him.

 

[Wallace]

From r/detrans:

I miss the constant affirmations, the validation. The sense of community, the feeling that you have to stick together because the "other side" wants you "dead". I feel like part of me getting so deep into those communities as a teenager was a need for rebellion and purpose. As a trans person, you are told that your entire existence is a fight against oppressive systems, and that feels insanely alluring for a teen girl without a place in the world.

These places are so skilled at making you feel special. Every single thought is validated to the point that "valid" doesn't even seem like a real word with a meaning anymore. On the other hand, if you dare to not agree with the common groupthink, you get shunned and humiliated by the other members. You lose friends and connections. So eventually you either leave or turn into one of those validation machines too out of fear of becoming an outsider.

I think the worst part of my detransition is the loneliness. I dont feel like I belong anymore, and yet I'm glad I left. In spite of their words being so sweet and kind, they are lying through their teeth. The trans life is a life of lie and delusion, and the deeper you are into it, the harder it is to get out. You are told you are becoming "your true self" when you are actually just putting on another mask because you are too afraid to look in the mirror and see yourself without one.

 

[Bloo]

From r/detrans:
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Honestly, I can see how these people almost get addicted to this. If I was a teenager now I probably would call myself non-binary at the very least, I don’t know if I’d go quite as far as to take testosterone but I’d be involved in this to a degree. More and more people are getting older and waking up. It’ll be a very interesting next decade.