Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[SnergenFlergen]

but what's really telling is that outside of specific uber-woke circles they never catch on

I remember reading an article in The Independent (a UK shitlib rag) a few years ago about a woman who went by "per/perself" pronouns. The Independent, of course, committed to the bit and used said pronouns throughout the article when referring to her. I can't find a link to the article (nor can I remember who the article was about), but it was so strange at the time seeing a mainstream and once respectable newspaper indulging in this circa 2005 Tumblr-tier nonsense.

I remember even the commenters (who are normally the most TDS-riddled uber-lefty types the UK has to offer) were calling it ridiculous and, to my knowledge, the Independent never ran a story like that again. It genuinely does seem that nobody likes neopronouns outside of the very mongoloids who demand they be referred to by them.

 

[Cake Point]

Stop trying to make eNbY happen. Also today I found out that femme and female aren't the same thing...? And of course we all have to follow the the alphabet's people context!

 

[Comp0site Specter]

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Stop trying to make eNbY happen. Also today I found out that femme and female aren't the same thing...? And of course we all have to follow the the alphabet's people context!

every band I've heard of that has had an 'nb' frontwoman collapsed because she was a massive bitch

 

[Comp0site Specter]

A lot of troons say online that men getting hair transplants and women getting breast implants qualify as "gender affirming care," So they should get to cut their dicks off. The only counter for this I can think of for this is that the former is 'restorative' while the ladder is 'destructive'. Anything to add to this?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

A lot of troons say online that men getting hair transplants and women getting breast implants qualify as "gender affirming care," So they should get to cut their dicks off. The only counter for this I can think of for this is that the former is 'restorative' while the ladder is 'destructive'. Anything to add to this?

I suppose you could make the argument that breast implants, or penile augmentation (is anyone getting that done? there used to be ads all over but you don't see them anymore) are "gender affirming." Hair, not so much. Ask any pooner, male pattern baldness is a very "gender affirming" sign of high testosterone levels and general maleness. That would fall under general vanity concerns, like a nose job, or fear of aging/valorization of youth, like a facelift.

 

[and I must scream]

A lot of troons say online that men getting hair transplants and women getting breast implants qualify as "gender affirming care," So they should get to cut their dicks off. The only counter for this I can think of for this is that the former is 'restorative' while the ladder is 'destructive'. Anything to add to this?

It's not gender affirming though. People don't do it to have their bodies "more aligned with their gender". They do it because they think it's more attractive and will help them with the other sex. Of course what's considered attractive for men and what's considered attractive for women is different, because we have different bodies. But it has nothing to do with "gender identity". It can't be "gender affirming" if you've always been the same "gender".

They try to gaslight us. Don't let them. They conflate semantics on purpose. They use gender as both the social aspect of sex - things like customs, expectations, stereotypes, cloths, beauty standards, fashion, etc. - and as some kind of personal identity at the same breath. When they talk about their own "gender affirming care" they are talking about the second meaning. When they talk about things like breast implants for women, they talk about the first one (as in, trying to meet the beauty standard of this sex). But these are two different meanings. So no, not the same.

Also - if these are also "gender affirming care", why people should pay for them from their own pockets? Why don't they get these surgeries and procedures for free or subsidized, like trans people do? Aren't "cis" people getting gender dysphoria from not having these surgeries/procedures, these are gender affirming surgeries after all...

 

[pursuitsnail]

No. Transwomen's offense patterns line up with male offense patterns. Which should not be in any way surprising since they are male. Their fee-fees do not alter this. There is no forcing, merely the description of banal, material reality. You are male or you are female. Sex is binary because gametes are binary, and in mammals is fixed.

Wait, I halfway take this back:

The kind of statistics I'd want to see out of it are things like the percent of men who were committed to the trans bit well before arrest and those after, and the crime stats for each group. TRAs keep saying troons are so oppressed they must turn to sex work to make ends meet, so why not find out if it's actually true that they're in for prostitution as opposed to sexual assault? For pooners I'd like to know things like if they're taking androgens and the crime stats to see if there is any difference in the amount of violent crimes committed between those groups. We'd never be able to get this kind of info. They'd never tolerate any kind of study on such a thing.

 

[Cake Point]

I know most (all?) things related to gendies and troonism are tied to autism. I never really cared about autism itself. Back in school, there were always a couple of autistic kids, but they didn’t bother me, and I didn’t bother them. If I had to talk to them, I always tried to be polite, and it was always brief. Some kids teased them, they’d sometimes storm out, then cool down the next day. It all felt pretty mundane.

Now I see all these gendies and poons online (even sometimes irl) screaming, ‘I’M AUTISTIC AND NEURODIVERGENT AND SOME OTHER WEIRD FUCKING TRAITS, YOU ALL HAVE TO PRIORITIZE ME, RESPECT ME, LET ME TROON OUT, BLAH BLAH BLAH!’ At first I started moralfagging myself, isn’t it cruel to hate them? They’re vulnerable, right?' But then I thought, maybe these kids really do need to be bullied. If they’re never challenged, they just grow up thinking the world will cater to them. Coddled their whole lives, expecting everyone to bend over backward. They act like autism means they never have to hear ‘no’ or face consequences. If they don’t get their way, they throw a fit and call it ableism. They demand special treatment while insisting they’re just like everyone else. It’s frustrating.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

Popping in to say yet another lady I know who's nominally leftist opened the floodgates on how much she hated troons once I stated I despised them in no uncertain terms, yadayadayada, it's happened so many times by now I don't even know why I'm posting this to be really honest.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Now I see all these gendies and poons online (even sometimes irl) screaming, ‘I’M AUTISTIC AND NEURODIVERGENT AND SOME OTHER WEIRD FUCKING TRAITS, YOU ALL HAVE TO PRIORITIZE ME, RESPECT ME, LET ME TROON OUT, BLAH BLAH BLAH!’ At first I started moralfagging myself, isn’t it cruel to hate them? They’re vulnerable, right?'

Well over 50% of these people are self-diagnosed. They have cluster B disorders, or sub-syndromal cluster B traits, or they are just garden variety neurotics ("anxiety") but the vast majority of them do NOT have autism by any reasonable diagnostic criteria. They either self-diagnose or they doctor shop to get an informal dx from an underqualified provider (ie an LPC or MSW therapist). They don't get evaluations by neuropsychologists who have access to their childhood medical records, which is the gold standard. They don't even come close.

 

[ilovecornsyrup]

TRAs keep saying troons are so oppressed they must turn to sex work to make ends meet, so why not find out if it's actually true that they're in for prostitution as opposed to sexual assault?

Because they know they're full of shit. The usually cited statistics about troons committing a disproportionate amount of sex crimes are from the UK and Canada. Prostitution is not a crime in either of those countries. Even if it was, male prostitutes very rarely get arrested. AND EVEN THEN, prostitution doesn't get grouped with sex offences in government data in the US. There is zero backing for the idea whatsoever.

 

[Meth Reindeer]

Well over 50% of these people are self-diagnosed. They have cluster B disorders, or sub-syndromal cluster B traits, or they are just garden variety neurotics ("anxiety") but the vast majority of them do NOT have autism by any reasonable diagnostic criteria. They either self-diagnose or they doctor shop to get an informal dx from an underqualified provider (ie an LPC or MSW therapist). They don't get evaluations by neuropsychologists who have access to their childhood medical records, which is the gold standard. They don't even come close.

The rise of self-diagnosis for all these disorders is really fucking annoying. You'll see reels on Instagram or Tik-Tok about how doing such-and-such means you're an autistic, anxiety-ridden, cluster of neurosis. I am not exaggerating. It's simple shit like being lazy about certain household chores, or demotivated over boring ass work. It scares me because once someone gets captured in the "you're not just lazy, you have a condition you can blame this all on", they can easily fall into a depression spiral or trans pipeline.

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

I used to talk a lot to the "plural/DID community" online. Looking back, it's hard to think many of them were legitimate, but I realized they seemed to have something in common: flipping the fuck out if you criticize them on anything. I mean, anything. I saw it in trans circles a lot but not the same extent here. For the past few years, I've sort of thought of BPD as a "fake diagnosis" because it's criteria feels like it can match just about anyone, but now I'm not sure. I think BPD exists in some form but maybe you have to see it in person to actually know it. I believe DID is a real disorder after researching it for some time, it's just that it never shows up like it does on the internet. I've met like maybe 1-2 people online who more likely have the disorder, but they almost never talked about it, no list of alters, but did share some of their history of their childhood being fucked over.

So the point. How many "trans" people are actually just BPD? Like they absolutely need to convince themselves they're something else. I guess this is more of a "mental illness" musing question. I've never met a BPD person in real life, and I've never met a DID person in real life. In the age of social media it's already hard to tell, and it could be all mental illness was actually invented by TPTB to keep people from questioning too much.

 

[Super Malario]

every band I've heard of that has had an 'nb' frontwoman collapsed because she was a massive bitch

In my personal experience, every "enby" is always a pick me woman with some sort of mental issues that act like entitled and petty cunts that crave attention 24/7.

 

[Meth Reindeer]

I used to talk a lot to the "plural/DID community" online. Looking back, it's hard to think many of them were legitimate, but I realized they seemed to have something in common: flipping the fuck out if you criticize them on anything. I mean, anything. I saw it in trans circles a lot but not the same extent here. For the past few years, I've sort of thought of BPD as a "fake diagnosis" because it's criteria feels like it can match just about anyone, but now I'm not sure. I think BPD exists in some form but maybe you have to see it in person to actually know it. I believe DID is a real disorder after researching it for some time, it's just that it never shows up like it does on the internet. I've met like maybe 1-2 people online who more likely have the disorder, but they almost never talked about it, no list of alters, but did share some of their history of their childhood being fucked over.

So the point. How many "trans" people are actually just BPD? Like they absolutely need to convince themselves they're something else. I guess this is more of a "mental illness" musing question. I've never met a BPD person in real life, and I've never met a DID person in real life. In the age of social media it's already hard to tell, and it could be all mental illness was actually invented by TPTB to keep people from questioning too much.

I have met a handful of people with BPD. At least 1 had a diagnosis, the mother to an old friends wife, and I think I dated one a few years ago (no diagnosis there but she was a bit of a psycho). The manic mood swings definitely exist and were obvious from the stories I was told about the mother and behavior I saw. It is a bit of wishy-washy diagnosis that could easily be misattributed to people by poor clinicians, and as with a lot of mental illness, it's a great shield from criticism.

I am honestly not sure if DID as we see it in popular culture exists.
Do people hear voices and have compulsions like schizophrenia? Yeah I expect so, but full blown stable alternate personalities? No. I can't see it as possible.

Perhaps I have just fallen into this trap because of the sheer amount of crap on Tik-Tok from supposed DID "sufferers" where they seem to make it out to be all fun and games and not a legitimate trauma response. I don't think someone suffering from such an aliment would be so blase about it.

I know for certain that if I was losing time, talking to people who nobody else could hear/see, or behaving wildly differently constantly, I'd be seeking help and others around me would do the same. I wouldn't be capitalizing on my sickness for social clout or using it as an excuse to not be accountable. That said, I haven't had a very traumatic childhood.

 

[Paper Machete]

DID is contentious. To the extent it exists it's a completely dissociative experience and the sufferer will have gaps in their memory. They won't know what the other personality is or what they were doing. Less "another person" and more "single consciousness being split". They certainly wouldn't be able to switch seemingly at will or "talk" to them inside their head. That sort of stuff is entirely fictional and done for attention.

BPD hoes are sort of hard to pin down sometimes because personality disordered people do not conceive of themselves as disordered. It's everyone else that is the problem and their condition doesn't necessarily cause them distress in and of itself so they're unlikely to seek psychological help themselves.

 

[Super Mario Brothers]

I am honestly not sure if DID as we see it in popular culture exists.
Do people hear voices and have compulsions like schizophrenia? Yeah I expect so, but full blown stable alternate personalities? No. I can't see it as possible.

I believe it "exists" but also not as different people in your head, but more like your brain tricking itself into being someone else. In what I've read, it goes more like "I'm not Jane, I'm Cathy, Jane experienced severe sexual abuse and I didn't." Or even in cases where the alter is a different sex/age/species, it's more like "I'm Johnny and I'm a huge man and I fight off anyone who tries to abuse Jane." Like they're not literally a huge man, just a young girl who's brain basically crashed in on itself too many times, to the point where when they grow up their brain won't work normally so instead they have memory gaps for huge chunks of their life.

The larpers... they want a husbando harem in their head. Really, that's kinda all it comes down to 90% of the time.

Come to think about it, there's probably a crossover from the iatrogenic DID and agp/aap. If AAP is convincing yourself that you're a man that you're sexually attracted to, then RODID(?) would be thinking you can change your brain into different sexy man at any time. There's already "body swap" type porn so I don't think it's really a reach. Yes I know there's the trend aspects but every "afab system" I remember talking to were some type of nonbinary or transmasc, and would have a lot of male alters. I've also seen some "amab systems" with the reverse.

I have met a handful of people with BPD. At least 1 had a diagnosis, the mother to an old friends wife, and I think I dated one a few years ago (no diagnosis there but she was a bit of a psycho). The manic mood swings definitely exist and were obvious from the stories I was told about the mother and behavior I saw. It is a bit of wishy-washy diagnosis that could easily be misattributed to people by poor clinicians, and as with a lot of mental illness, it's a great shield from criticism.

I know bipolar is real, by BPD I mean borderline personality disorder. I've seen bipolar in real life and it's only fun for the person experiencing mania. The closest I've seen for borderline in real life was from a man, where he would have these strange mood swings in real life that I only really saw from women who go on twitter too much, except the fact that he was a wignat. But also, he was extremely violent and had even been arrested for battery in the past.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

it's only fun for the person experiencing mania

It's not fun for them either, the definition of mania means it has escalated to the point the person is experiencing psychosis (usually terrifying, even when it takes on grandiose themes) and has done things noticeably abnormal enough to warrant hospitalization. And usually spending a lot of money or otherwise taking a wrecking ball to their post-mood stability.

I know one guy who had a kind of sneak attack mania well into middle age and he took apart all the computers in his office thinking he had discovered a brilliant solution to some technical problem and that the people trying to stop him were corporate spies from a competitor trying to undermine his efforts.. He lost his job and almost his marriage and home too.

 

[TruffleSpark]

I often wonder what would happen if a load of trannies (let's say 50 troons and pooners apiece) were parachuted onto a desert island and left to fend for themselves.

Obviously in reality they'd all be dead within a few days (likely due to a combination of starvation, infighting and succumbing to stinkditch infections because of lack of sanitation), but for the sake of this thought experiment let's say they survive long enough to form some sort of functioning society.

My prediction is that they'd revert back to factory settings in fairly short order. The troons would adopt the hunter-gatherer role, while the pooners would maintain the domiciles. Basically they'd all learn the hard way that 'gender roles' aren't just some arbitrary thing that society imposes on us- they are in fact hardwired into our DNA and match the skillsets that come about naturally as a result of our sexual dimorphism.

Transgenderism only exists because of our overly decadent and tolerant society- so when they're removed from that context (and their synthetic hormones), I conjecture that they'd all renounce their bullshit pretty fast. Either they'd adhere to the roles best suited to their anatomy, or they'd die.

Although of course the most likely outcome is they'd all just die regardless, because these people are completely fucking feckless even in optimal circumstances.

The real question is would their "gender identities" still exist if there wasn't some sort of an audience to perform them to?

 

[LimeRikki]

The real question is would their "gender identities" still exist if there wasn't some sort of an audience to perform them to?

Nope.

How can you feel disphoria when you have nothing to compare to?

The AGP by himself looking in the mirror is hot and desierable.

It's only next to other Women that he rightfully sees how much he differs.