Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

My suspicion is that even transwomen with no sexual misconduct, who are "respectable" people are still narcissists. For example, people such as Sarah McBride, who on paper seems respectable enough, but still something just doesn't sit right with me. My gut feeling is that he is a narc.

He absolutely is. Here is a very informative link by a terf blogger who did a deep dive, from a previous thread about McBride:

Highly illuminating link shared to my profile by @OttoWest :

https://the-lies-they-tell.org/2022/05/21/review-of-trans-memoir-by-sarah-mcbride/

 

[CuntessMaximus]

He absolutely is. Here is a very informative link by a terf blogger who did a deep dive

What an insufferable & selfish twat. Sounds
Like he couldn’t wait to make Andy’s death all about himself.

Also lol at this totally real thing that happened:
Uncle Joe ripped out a leaf of paper from his briefing book writing ‘Remember me when you are president’ and gave an autograph.

 

[LongDayAgain]

What is it with trannies and face masks? There’s someone sitting across from me on the train now with a face mask on and I am like 90% sure she’s female but the face mask is throwing me off as I see them everywhere on tranny social media feeds.

 

[deermeat]

What is it with trannies and face masks?

I am like 90% sure she’s female but the face mask is throwing me off

There's your answer.
Its the same reason they are obsessed with filters and abuse the shit out of angles. Face masks hide a decent portion of your face that could otherwise clock you.

 

[Aunt Carol]

What is it with trannies and face masks?

What is it with balding dudes and baseball caps?

 

[2mm and 99 others]

I'm sorry. But I don't feel a lick of sympathy for any man complaining about "muh effeminate" because it's really easy to not be bullied for acting like a faggy sperg and you can even do it by doing basic ass shit that actual women do:

- wear normal clothes
- don't go out of your way to buy jewelry or makeup, much less use it
- hold down a job
- know how to do basic maintenance and repairs on your house and car
- learn how to not have over emotional reactions to everything like some sort of toddler

It's just an excuse. I'll grant you some self-loathing gay men from very traditional cultures have a hard time of it. True. But I'm coming at this from a US/western perspective. And no. Here, I'm going to criticize them and tell them to stop their retardation. None of it is necessary. And time and time again a lot of them were never overtly GNC just losers. It's increasingly accepted and even sometimes celebrated now when men are feminized here and this is still what we're getting. So no. Not gonna be the least bit sorry or take it as an excuse.

There is no stolen valor. There is no decent ones. It's maladaptive and wrong regardless of which angle you approach it.

At this point I view someone wailing about being made fun for being trans or looking gay quite the same, as people who complain about not being taken seriously and feeling alienated, because they are heavily tattooed and have a lot of piercings. Like, retard, nobody forced this all upon you. You wanted attention and now you have it, what's the problem?

 

[The Morning Visitor]

At this point I view someone wailing about being made fun for being trans or looking gay quite the same, as people who complain about not being taken seriously and feeling alienated, because they are heavily tattooed and have a lot of piercings. Like, retard, nobody forced this all upon you. You wanted attention and now you have it, what's the problem?

It is absolutely a self-inflicted problem, and they try to shift that problem to greater society.

Do I actually take issue with people dying their hair blue, piercing their cartilage or having tattoos beyond the torso? Absolutely not. I do like seeing that represented on stage and in the boardroom. Do I take issue with men dressing glam and being fabulous? No. David Bowie and Prince both kicked ass in their time and it's fine as as stage act to push boundaries and be rebellious. The issue starts where we stop recognizing this as a personal fashion choice and into a compulsive delusion that we (and the women in our life, and the children in our life) need to cater to. Drinking the troonshine and deluding yourself into cross-sex fantasies is absolutely a choice and western society is growing weary of the people that are making that choice.

 

[fist_of_khonshu]

I genuinely wonder why most troons do not know how to properly bathe and take care of themselves. Most of the troons i've met offline are disgusting, smell like shit, and have so much grease caked on their hair that they could oil a skillet for weeks. It's bad enough they want to make everyone live and dance in their delusions, but why do they feel the need to be disgusting unhygienic slobs whilst doing do? Not to mention either they are obese, self loathing mentally ill narcissists who think being a tranny makes them hot or a skinny crackhead with the most abysmal features who have a god complex and NPD.

 

[Albicilla]

No one is forcing them to take hormones or undergo the dick chop. I understand that they are ridiculed and bullied for being less masculine, so in that way, I do feel bad in the same way I do about pooners who were sexually abused. However they have all of the same information available to them as I do, and they chose to destroy their bodies and live in a hugbox with porn addicted AGPs. They chose to continue to groom children and teens to turn to the same lifestyle that harmed them. I understand more of their origin now, but that doesn't their existence any less damaging to impressionable people.

I don't disagree that no one's forcing them, but it's definitely an overall societal failing when people go through this sort of treatment and are seeking this solution en masse, many under the advice of a medical authority. I don't feel any sympathy for some going informed consent nor taking black market hormones, but those shunted through psychiatry and coming through this with the advice of a doctor is something that feels somewhat nauseating.

I guess now what I am wondering is, did society as whole fail them? Should we have had structures in place to prevent this? Are trans adults capable of making their own decisions regarding their transition? Is it morally correct to allow mentally ill people to advocate for themselves and chose their own type of mental health care, even if it physically harms and mutilates them? Are parents of trans teens and children morally wrong for allowing their children access to hormones, puberty blockers, and srs?

There used to be a massive amount of roadblocks to this, and the reason that trans people managed to incur a lot of acceptance in the first place initially, imo, is because a lot of mental and physical conditions in addition to other aspects of personal history could prevent you from transitioning entirely. The initial cohort that was accepted were the most even-keeled of people presenting with gender dysphoria, because it was curated to be that way. Now, obviously, it isn't that way anymore, and it's become less some homogenous group with a specific weird neurotype, and more a heterogenous collection of people with vastly different reasons and motivations for transitioning. Now, it's impossible to judge trans people as a collective in the same way as before, and why a lot of people who were pretty accepting aren't now.

This probably shouldn't be considered a medical condition to treat with transitioning at all, and I suspect there's some insidious cultural reasoning behind the start of it, but I think adults should be allowed to do it still. Should be considered some cosmetic procedure where the limiting factor is your wallet, and some people just get to FAFO. It would also remove the compelling reason to allow someone to change their legal sex marker in the first place, because it was initially considered a part of GID medical treatment in that it allowed a trans person the completion of a "social transition" not just a physical one. Even the OG transsexuals understood it was a grace and politeness afforded to them, not that people believed they were physically the sex they were legally changing their marker to (which I imagine is actually a thinly veiled emotionally prison, because instinctively, they know and have to maintain a veil of deception [being stealth]. So many trans people have had their neurosis increase over living this way, so it seems to be counterproductive for many. Many people go down the pipeline of the chop as an attempt to remove this cognitive dissonance, not because it was something they wanted from the start.) Now, people think that words change physical composition of things, and you can erase the innate reality and understanding of sex if you attempt to remove it from the lexicon.

In terms of narcissism, I think it depends on whether or not you're spending time in spaces that allow you to marinate in your neuroses. I have friends who, despite not liking that their transition isn't a complete sex change, manage to be relatively happy, because they aren't miring in trans spaces with depressed people all the time. One of my friends said a lot of what you think is dysphoria is really a lot of false notions and more of it can go away or become manageable than you think, but if you're in a space with other trans people talking about how it's life or death all the time, you can never focus on other important parts of your life. It's like being stuck within the first three stages of grief artificially. They even decided SRS isn't that important, and they don't need it, even though they were sure it was something they couldn't do without at the beginning, despite still having that wish that they were just born the opposite sex. You see this in spoonie and autistic groups as well: in the case of a spoonie, they never learn to do things within their capability and manage the mundane pain of their illness; and in the case of an autistic group, a bunch of people who stew in their anger over how unfair it is that they need to learn how to compensate for their lack of social skills and end up becoming more antisocial. In general, this shit's going to foster antisocial behaviour, unless you're a person who's able to go into a space full of people with a similar hangup intentionally and constructively, which eventually means leaving said space behind and living your life.

These online psuedo intentional communities inevitably turn into cultish, suicidal spaces; it's just by design after the constructive people leave.

 

[Chappell's Lost Earring]

What an insufferable & selfish twat. Sounds
Like he couldn’t wait to make Andy’s death all about himself.

Also lol at this totally real thing that happened:
Uncle Joe ripped out a leaf of paper from his briefing book writing ‘Remember me when you are president’ and gave an autograph.

I seriously think he’s going to try to set himself up to be the first transgender president in the far future. I think that’s his long-term goal. I would say it would never happen, but who knows.

At this point I view someone wailing about being made fun for being trans or looking gay quite the same, as people who complain about not being taken seriously and feeling alienated, because they are heavily tattooed and have a lot of piercings. Like, retard, nobody forced this all upon you. You wanted attention and now you have it, what's the problem?

I don’t really see a problem with dressing whatever way you like or having tattoos, but it definitely will affect your life. It’s fine people do those things, but does that fit the lifestyle you want? You don’t get a face tattoo and then expect to be hired for a professional job. You don’t dress like a fag and expect Trumps #1 fans to like you. You do what you want, but accept that’s the life you chose. I don't have tattoos because I never wanted it to affect job prospects. Now that I am about to enter what I hope will be the career that retires me, I just have to read their rules and then I can do as I please as long as it is within their grooming guidelines.

This probably shouldn't be considered a medical condition to treat with transitioning at all, and I suspect there's some insidious cultural reasoning behind the start of it, but I think adults should be allowed to do it still. Should be considered some cosmetic procedure where the limiting factor is your wallet, and some people just get to FAFO. It would also remove the compelling reason to allow someone to change their legal sex marker in the first place, because it was initially considered a part of GID medical treatment in that it allowed a trans person the completion of a "social transition" not just a physical one. Even the OG transsexuals understood it was a grace and politeness afforded to them, not that people believed they were physically the sex they were legally changing their marker to (which I imagine is actually a thinly veiled emotionally prison, because instinctively, they know and have to maintain a veil of deception [being stealth]. So many trans people have had their neurosis increase over living this way, so it seems to be counterproductive for many. Many people go down the pipeline of the chop as an attempt to remove this cognitive dissonance, not because it was something they wanted from the start.) Now, people think that words change physical composition of things, and you can erase the innate reality and understanding of sex if you attempt to remove it from the lexicon.

Back when people were a little more sane about this, maybe 15-20 years ago, gender dysphoria was treated as a mental illness. There are many paths of treatment for mental illnesses, and you have to look at the side effects of different paths. There is no need for me to elaborate on all of the bad effects of transitioning with hormones and SRS, since that is documented all over this forum. We all know it is not necessarily the best option for people, and should not be the default method of care for someone suffering from gender dysphoria. Back in the day, being transgender was something that people had to visit a psychiatrist many times to be evaluated to even be considered transgender. And if you were questioning your own gender, wouldn't you want to be sure? Wouldn't you want to have someone help you understand yourself better? It doesn't seem to be the case nowadays. Now, you figure it out, you have your 'egg crack' moment, you decide you are transgender, and then you seek HRT from there. The origin of the diagnosis now comes from the patient, not the psychiatrist.

I suspect I have some mental issues (ADHD, OCD), but I cannot diagnose myself and go to a psychiatrist and tell him, "hey, I am ADHD/OCD. Give me drugs now." No. I have to go to the psychiatrist and get formally diagnosed with the symptoms I have before I can receive any drugs as treatment. Trans people today have their realization on their own, come out to their friends and family, and then immediately start seeking hormone treatment. The standard for the formal diagnosis of being transgender has been eliminated, and why? if you say you are transgender, you are transgender. It is a personal decision, not a psychological diagnosis. Why trust people who are mentally ill with their own diagnosis and treatment?

Sure, maybe some people should be allowed to transition still. If they are an adult. If they are sure. If they've explored other routes of treatment and none of them helped. If they are presented with all of the side effects of HRT and SRS, and the psychiatrist goes over the risk of long-term mental health effects of constantly having to pass as the opposite gender. If they are presented with all the information, and they still decide they want to do it. They should have to try to live as the opposite gender for at least six months to a year before being given any HRT or SRS. I think allowing people to transition could make some people live a happier life, but I don't think a lot of people who are transgender have put this much thought into it. I think a lot of them are in bad spots, and believe it will fix their problems, and it doesn't in the end, it just gives them all new ones to focus on. Thus the trans cult is born. Because no matter how many estrogen and testosterone pills you pop, you are still going to be sad in the head if you were sad in the head to begin with. Hormones won't cure your depression, your mania, your lifestyle. They won't fix your life situation. They will only cause more problems for you.

Spoiler: PL Example

I have a friend who told me he was trans out of the blue. He has had mental health problems the entire time I have known him, and attempted suicide more than once. He is on medication prescribed by a psychologist (not sure what for). He didn't even see anyone. He just told me he was trans. He started posting it on his socials and telling all his friends. He told me the new name he wanted me to call him by. I said okay, I don't think hormone therapy is healthy, but I will call you whatever you want me to call you. It lasted one week before I messaged him calling him his new female name. He told me he wasn't sure he was trans anymore. Kid is barely 22, but how ridiculous is it that he made this decision all on his own, never even saw a psychiatrist, embarrassed himself by telling all his friends, and then just takes it back. This is the type of society we have built for "trans" people. No taking things slow, thinking about it for a few months. No talking to a specialist first. None of that, just, I'm trans, call me Jane from now on. What the hell. I'm glad he's gotten out of that, and is back on his meds. Hope he doesn't fall down the rabbit hole again. What is funny is that he tried to get into a trans discord and they banned him because they thought he was trolling. Imagine the hug box he could have been in if he did get in. He'd probably still be thinking he was trans because the hug box validated him. That ban might have saved his life.

In terms of narcissism, I think it depends on whether or not you're spending time in spaces that allow you to marinate in your neuroses. I have friends who, despite not liking that their transition isn't a complete sex change, manage to be relatively happy, because they aren't miring in trans spaces with depressed people all the time. One of my friends said a lot of what you think is dysphoria is really a lot of false notions and more of it can go away or become manageable than you think, but if you're in a space with other trans people talking about how it's life or death all the time, you can never focus on other important parts of your life. It's like being stuck within the first three stages of grief artificially. They even decided SRS isn't that important, and they don't need it, even though they were sure it was something they couldn't do without at the beginning, despite still having that wish that they were just born the opposite sex. You see this in spoonie and autistic groups as well: in the case of a spoonie, they never learn to do things within their capability and manage the mundane pain of their illness; and in the case of an autistic group, a bunch of people who stew in their anger over how unfair it is that they need to learn how to compensate for their lack of social skills and end up becoming more antisocial. In general, this shit's going to foster antisocial behaviour, unless you're a person who's able to go into a space full of people with a similar hangup intentionally and constructively, which eventually means leaving said space behind and living your life.

These online psuedo intentional communities inevitably turn into cultish, suicidal spaces; it's just by design after the constructive people leave.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I think that the ones we see a lot here are the most vocal, and those ones more likely to be narcissists. I would say that some trans people are normal, and just want to live their lives, but I won't lie, I still don't trust them. I trusted that one in the dressing room, he seemed normal and I assumed he just wanted to live his life as a woman, and he still creeped on me, so I just don't trust any of them anymore. I will never put myself in a compromising position around them, even the gayest seeming ones. I treat them the same way I would a man I should be wary of, because they are men. I also am wary of pooners, because they think they are men, so I don't trust them to behave properly either.

Sometimes I take breaks from here, because I acknowledge even this space can be unhealthy if you spend too much time here. It's good to be aware of what is going on and the dangers of the trans movement and its nice to have a place where other people understand and can point out the lunacy of TRAs, but the reality is, I am not friends with any trans people and I almost never encounter them.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

There's a discrepancy in gay acceptance and trans acceptance, and I attribute this to evolution.

Homosexuals (particularly homosexual males) were looked down upon throughout the history of most cultures and I don't really understand why. Sure, in Sodom and Gomorrah, they were intrusively inhospitable, calling upon Lot to submit angels to the rape-happy crowd, but it doesn't make too much sense why "man lying with man as one does with a woman" with full consent would be seen as an abomination. The only sense I could make is the miniscule state of the world population influencing pharisees to compel their sissy subby Israelite boys to suck it up and procreate (and sub out "pharisees" and "Israelite" with other culturally relevant roles, for other cultures).

In early modern times, fathers would default their sons to straight with beatings and conversion camps, starting with casual language assuming heterosexuality ("you're gonna be a ladykiller, champ") and working to the hyperbolic "under my roof, we only nut in women faggot". This standard has loosened up and I don't believe it's from globohomo propaganda.

I believe it's because of artificial fertilization. Because surrogacy is now an option in reproductive care, a gay son is no longer a genetic dead end, and I believe societal norms have loosened to reflect this. Being trans (particularly an "early transitioner"), however, does not alleviate this fear of a paternal line ending. They are literally (or chemically) castrating themselves to chase a fetish, and they will have many more hurdles producing a child than a semi-successful gay man with 10 or 20 grand in his bank account. Homosexuality = "still potentially virile/fertile", transexuality = "sterile, possibly before puberty and definitely before stable adulthood".

I firmly believe this is why homosexuality has become accepted among the general population and transexuality has not. There's other factors, such as single-sex boundaries being constantly violated and adolescent consent, but this seems like the most basic and primal instinct that held them back from the average American voter.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

The only sense I could make is the miniscule state of the world population influencing pharisees to compel their sissy subby Israelite boys to suck it up and procreate (and sub out "pharisees" and "Israelite" with other culturally relevant roles, for other cultures).

You're a coomer- ask how I know.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

You're a coomer- ask how I know.

I'll bite. Why do you think that I'm a coomer?

 

[TruffleSpark]

I genuinely wonder why most troons do not know how to properly bathe and take care of themselves. Most of the troons i've met offline are disgusting, smell like shit, and have so much grease caked on their hair that they could oil a skillet for weeks. It's bad enough they want to make everyone live and dance in their delusions, but why do they feel the need to be disgusting unhygienic slobs whilst doing do? Not to mention either they are obese, self loathing mentally ill narcissists who think being a tranny makes them hot or a skinny crackhead with the most abysmal features who have a god complex and NPD.

Any question along the lines of "why do troons?" can be answered with "because they are autistic males." Why do troons not bathe properly?" Jokes about nerds having poor body odor, unhealthy diets, and weird facial hair patterns were common on the internet long before trannies took over. Because that's what autistic males who spend too much time online are like.

 

[and I must scream]

Genuine questions for the men Kiwis: Do you care if women get into men's bathrooms? What about men's showers and changing rooms?

Obviously women care. But do men? You are not scared of the women obviously, but do you feel uncomfortable, or maybe like it's not decent or something like that? Imigine you are teenagers again, how do you feel about it?

 

[Meth Reindeer]

Genuine questions for the men Kiwis: Do you care if women get into men's bathrooms? What about men's showers and changing rooms?

Obviously women care. But do men? You are not scared of the women obviously, but do you feel uncomfortable, or maybe like it's not decent or something like that? Imigine you are teenagers again, how do you feel about it?

Not overly bothered personally. I do think it'd feel a bit indecent but I'm more prudish than a lot of men.

For bathrooms I'd mostly feel bad for women going in them, urinals don't always maintain a pleasant aroma, and unless you're a freak who enjoys watching people piss I can't imagine the appeal.

For changing room, I don't know. I'm personally not embarrassed about getting changed in front of strangers as it's a quick thing.

Showers is a bit weird, I've never seen the appeal in watching strangers actually shower (not the weird fake showering of pornos). You're cleaning yourself up, it's not an attractive idea.

Of course if women came into said spaces to oggle at me or other men that'd be creepy. As a teen I'd have been very embarrassed about my body and felt quite a bit of the normal teenaged shame. Don't discount the social power women can have, especially when they're younger, girls can make or break a guys reputation when they're teenagers. Or at the very least can make it feel that way (everything is life and death when you're a teenager.)

The idea of someone you're not already intimate with sexually judging you when you're doing something innocent like getting changed or having a shower is something I find sickening. I think a lot of guys feel the same or can at least empathize, which is partly why they don't want men in women's changing rooms.

 

[RejectedLynx]

In terms of narcissism, I think it depends on whether or not you're spending time in spaces that allow you to marinate in your neuroses.

These online psuedo intentional communities inevitably turn into cultish, suicidal spaces; it's just by design after the constructive people leave.

Honestly, barging in here after a few conversations I've been apart of - that this is heavily true in artist spaces as well. There's a good few dozen people I know - and just off the top of my head there's also two troons who cannot shut up about their transitions ("I'm doing art of trans-wrongs" and another guy yapping about how HRT will make him a short pretty girl once he moves out of his parent's house) and people in the server (mostly women) won't have anyone speaking out on their cult beliefs that you have to follow or they'll be depressed and make it 42%. I've never been okay with the blatant fetishization of my body for their comfort but artist spaces (writing, digital art, even hell, quilting) which were mostly female spaces online are now crawling with trans-this or plural-that like it makes any difference about their art. The culture tries to prop up the "unique" ones and end up propping up the same sack of shit twenty times. It's odd in all the movements online, they're all savagely suicidal and autistic enough to think calling themselves the opposite gender is going to help with their parental problems. Therapy is cheaper than the millions of dollars in hormones and medical bills but none of these people would make a good decision like that. My question I guess, is it these communities specifically to draw in freaks like this or is more that communities such as those artistic ones make it easier to virtual signal you're a good person so it's cyclical.

 

[GluttonousManSlob]

Genuine questions for the men Kiwis: Do you care if women get into men's bathrooms? What about men's showers and changing rooms?

Obviously women care. But do men? You are not scared of the women obviously, but do you feel uncomfortable, or maybe like it's not decent or something like that? Imigine you are teenagers again, how do you feel about it?

I'm not comfortable with it at all. I don't trust other men when I'm in the bathroom either, but with a pooner, I know for a fact her presence is not decent. She's intruding on this space where she doesn't belong to fulfil her fujo fantasy and if I were in the same room as her, that means I am being used as a prop in the fantasy. She isn't there to do her business, she's there because it's part of her fetish.

This is also discounting any awkward interactions with a poon too. She probably has yaoi brained ideas about how men interact in bathrooms, or she'll do something retarded like wipe herself with the urinal cake.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Genuine questions for the men Kiwis: Do you care if women get into men's bathrooms? What about men's showers and changing rooms?

Obviously women care. But do men? You are not scared of the women obviously, but do you feel uncomfortable, or maybe like it's not decent or something like that? Imigine you are teenagers again, how do you feel about it?

I can live with it in a bathroom scenario, even if it is kind of ridiculous, because I am usually trying to get in and out as fast as possible without interacting with anyone in there. So as long as no one is bothering me I don't care too much who is in there. If it's a private space that also serves as a social space then it bothers me, not because pooners are a threat to men, but because I don't want to have to censor myself in a space that is meant to be for men. Whether they admit to it or not, pooners are going to evaluate men according to the same threat matrix that other women do. So in an intimate space I am going to have to serve them appeasement signals to show I am not a threat, and I don't want to have to go through the effort of having to do that.

To be frank I'm a bit autistic, in case you couldn't tell from the fact that I have made a solid 2000 posts on this site and half of them are just me sperging about trannies. And one thing about being a bit of a sperg is that it takes a certain level of conscious effort to engage in social niceties that other people can do automatically. Part of interacting with women is subtly reassuring them that I am not a threat to them. Which isn't too hard in most scenarios because in a public setting they have little reason to see me as a threat anyway as long as I don't do anything too retarded. But in an intimate space where their guard is up, it becomes a bit more difficult. And quite frankly, if I'm in a private space I want to relax, I don't want to have to think about how to interact with others without causing some sort of an incident. And having a genderspecial of any variety there just ruins that. Because they are the most easily offended people on the planet.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Homosexuals (particularly homosexual males) were looked down upon throughout the history of most cultures [...]
I believe it's because of artificial fertilization.

I think you're skipping over a lot of history and carrying modern definitions/identities back.

Many Famed Homos of History had a wife and kids, and not just as a "beard;" procreation wasn't optional. Similarly nobody cared what women wanted or hoped; gotta have some kids unless you're the spare daughter of a wealthy family. (OTOH it's so cute that you and your BFF are such good friends, but no dudes involved so no1curr.)

The luxury to be a gold-star (etc) homosexual is like the modern luxury to be a prepared-food vegan. this simile is perfect and not at all reductive

I do agree that it's about that deep-seated need to pass on genes, and watch your kids do it successfully too. Mom and Dad might not be thinking about a gay kid getting rich and paying a surrogate; they're thinking that accidents happen or maybe it's a phase, or they're just not thinking about it but their monkey brain is fine because it can see the son is healthy. A troon son, constantly miserable and panicked, finally hands his parents the jar with his testicles inside, and that's an emotional shock, coupled with the requirement to be nothing but affirming. A single second of imperfect enthusiasm is enough to be estranged for life.