Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

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Question for the class, what’s the most disturbing aspect of troonism to you? For me, it’s the biological/medical stuff. The surgeries, and hormones especially is horrifying. And the social ramifications of this? it’s like the human body has become so malleable to the point where it means nothing.
The worst part of it is how they prey on women and children. Trying to get into women's rape victim shelters. Trying to "mentor kids" and tell them to "keep it a secret from your transphobic parents". It's so fucking disgusting and it really does feel like they've succeeded in making pedophilia woke.
 
Question for the class, what’s the most disturbing aspect of troonism to you?
The pod person transformation, where they slowly develop the same personality as every other modern tran, except when you see them from the correct angle, or if you get them talking about something else, they become the person you knew for a few minutes--and then the troon hivemind takes hold again.

Intellectually I hate that they've been given incredible government and social power because of unverifiable metaphysical claims on their part, but the brainworm part is the most viscerally disturbing.
 
Question for the class, what’s the most disturbing aspect of troonism to you? For me, it’s the biological/medical stuff. The surgeries, and hormones especially is horrifying. And the social ramifications of this? it’s like the human body has become so malleable to the point where it means nothing.
The cult mentality. Troons are absolutely vicious to detransitioners. This viciousness keeps many in that bubble from expressing any bit of doubt or dissent. They're also encouraged to cut off contact with their own family if they're not 1000% supportive. This leads to a lot of extra people going deeper down the troon pipeline and mutilating themselves with chemicals and/or surgery.
 
Question for the class, what’s the most disturbing aspect of troonism to you? For me, it’s the biological/medical stuff. The surgeries, and hormones especially is horrifying. And the social ramifications of this? it’s like the human body has become so malleable to the point where it means nothing.
I don't know the best way to explain it but I would have to say the culture. Of course you can say that already most of these people aren't mentally sound but I feel like the culture surrounding transgenderism just exists to make them worse. I won't say there's anything inherently wrong with being proud of your identity, whatever, but it's the fact that they create this narrative where they're at odds with the rest of the world or something so it's already near impossible to reason with a lot of them. I make the comparison to incels a lot but I noticed a lot of similarities like the constant need for validation, the obsession with sex, the autistic terminology they come up with, or the idea that the solution to all of their problems is to change themselves in a certain way. There's also the way that they'll lash out at normal people or even at each other because of the distance they've created between themselves and the rest of the world. A lot of it involves romanticizing mental illness and sexual depravity which only makes this behavior even worse. It's off-putting to see these people trivialize the idea of becoming the opposite sex and say that, with enough medical intervention, anyone can do it which I imagine has contributed a lot to the kind of sudden prevalence of transgenderism now. It doesn't seem right to promote the idea that if you just get a lot of surgeries, eventually you'll be happy. The same goes for people telling one another that if they feel a certain way, they should transition immediately because it's inevitable that they'll either do it anyways at some point or commit suicide which I'm not even sure how they can know that for sure. Then of course, anyone who's ever been a part of it and decides to object to it becomes even more isolated because they will immediately turn on desisters or detransitioners. I don't know for sure if it's always been this way but it's really not hard to understand why people see it as a cult now.
 
Troonery also doesn't have any locally diverse variants, no, your land gets it delivered as a complete package from the US with the same visuals, terminology and patterns, and it's supposed to be implemented by governments as is.
The scariest aspect are the surgeries, of course. But also the rotten thoughts of a person who flushed all their rationality and knowledge into toilet, which led them to troon out and get srs in first place. Just like moldy food is bad even before the mold breaks out visibly on surface.
 
autism -> troon pipeline
This is an awfully common thing.

Does anybody have scientific researches/articles about it? I'd like to read, because autism and transness do seem to corelate.

On the other hand, all these hundreds of people who say they're "autistic and trans" in their bios can easily fake both conditions to get attention. The trans one for sure, let's be real.
 
Question for the class, what’s the most disturbing aspect of troonism to you? For me, it’s the biological/medical stuff. The surgeries, and hormones especially is horrifying. And the social ramifications of this? it’s like the human body has become so malleable to the point where it means nothing.
Trannies, TRAs, and status seeking luxury believers want us to willfully rewire our evolutionary brains to accept males as females and vice versa. They want to elimate sex as an absolute classification and replace it with nebulous (and corrupt) gender identity.

They're not just ushering in social chaos with that idiocy. They're willfully fucking with the continuation of the species. Our species. Homo sapiens. Like many other creatures on the planet, we evolved to accurately identify the opposite sex, be sexually attracted to them, and to try to get their attention via various means in order to mate with them and then produce offspring who will do the same when they attain sexual maturity. Interfering with and undermining that critical process for modern individual "rights" is insane. It's a death wish writ large. It's efilism.

Troonism is a modern maladaptation that's going to lemming us right off a cliff if it's permitted to reach the utopian levels TRAs want. It will introduce a profound uncertainty (and lack of interest) in pursuing pair bonding and mating that could wipe them out altogether.

It's particularly horrifying when you realize that they're concentrating on young children to alter their perceptions of what constitutes male and female many years before they even reach sexual maturity themselves. Or in the case of tranny parents, innocent and impressionable infants are being exposed to false mothers and fathers, false female and male role models that they're imprinting on from the very beginning of their lives. As they mature and become aware of their surroundings independently, and become aware of the deceit they've been subject to (or not!) the effect on their mental health (and their perceptions of reality) will be profound and very damaging.
 
Question for the class, what’s the most disturbing aspect of troonism to you? For me, it’s the biological/medical stuff. The surgeries, and hormones especially is horrifying. And the social ramifications of this? it’s like the human body has become so malleable to the point where it means nothing.
The fact that it's the most widely accepted and even celebrated human experiment (with an added bonus of having permanent patients to roll in mountains of cash) of all time. Objectively the surgeries and perma-medication are a barbaric practice.
 
Question for the class, what’s the most disturbing aspect of troonism to you? For me, it’s the biological/medical stuff. The surgeries, and hormones especially is horrifying. And the social ramifications of this? it’s like the human body has become so malleable to the point where it means nothing.

seeing these children coming out as trans? it's just very disturbing to me man. fucking 14 yrs are coming out as trans now. it's just too disturbing that a mere child knows so much sex stuff to begin with. then the child does the surgeries and takes the crap that will fuck up their body.... its just sad yk?
 
Does anybody have scientific researches/articles about it? I'd like to read, because autism and transness do seem to corelate.
Not offhand, but the usual explanation I've seen for it is: autism frequently involves black and white thinking, fixation with rules. If you tell an autistic person that dinner is at 7, then whenever you eat at 8 it's not dinner. This sort of person is easy to convince that if they have any trait that doesn't align with their sex's stereotype, that must mean they're not really that sex.
 
seeing these children coming out as trans? it's just very disturbing to me man. fucking 14 yrs are coming out as trans now. it's just too disturbing that a mere child knows so much sex stuff to begin with. then the child does the surgeries and takes the crap that will fuck up their body.... its just sad yk?
Imagine having a daughter who's perfectly normal until her life is overtaken by heroin. Imagine having a daughter who was fine until she joined a new religious group that turned out to be a cult, and now she's not the same anymore and has been completely brainwashed and there's nothing you can do or say to snap her out of it. Imagine begging her to get help but she's so deep in the addiction that she can't.

They don't care at all how they're affecting other people in their life, and how they're hurting them.
 
Not offhand, but the usual explanation I've seen for it is: autism frequently involves black and white thinking, fixation with rules. If you tell an autistic person that dinner is at 7, then whenever you eat at 8 it's not dinner. This sort of person is easy to convince that if they have any trait that doesn't align with their sex's stereotype, that must mean they're not really that sex.
I've been mulling over this for a while: even if a fraction of autists don't align with their sex's stereotypes, they're not likely to align with the other sex's either, so shouldn't we see a larger portion of them identifying as non-binary, particularly men?
 
I've been mulling over this for a while: even if a fraction of autists don't align with their sex's stereotypes, they're not likely to align with the other sex's either, so shouldn't we see a larger portion of them identifying as non-binary, particularly men?
It would make sense. Makes me wish we had some actual robust studies on these observed phenomena. Not that that'd ever be allowed in the current climate. AG/APs controlling the discussion shuts it all down. Not by accident. I think any layperson who's interacted with these people more than in passing could tell you it's strikingly obvious that, at minimum, there's a short list of situations that cause someone to enter the troonosphere; whatever the psych community calls "trans" is clearly not one single "opposite sex soul in the wrong body since birth" situation. I don't think anyone buys the 45 year old man who recently stepped up his panty sniffing has "always" considered himself a woman.

I'm in the camp of people who think it's a vanishingly rare psychological disorder that a much larger group of perverts uses as a shield. If I had to guess, I think the autism -> troon phenomenon uses that rules rigidity as one jumping-off point. The creepy lovebombing, isolation, and cult recruitment tactics the groomer troons use probably shoo logic away after the initial doubt-sowing. You're important! You've been chosen by the great spirit of trans. You'll be so hot. You'll feel sexy for the first time in your awkward life after your first hit of HRT.

tl;dr I think the troonery past the initial point of contact abandons logic and focuses on filling holes that an awkward autistic person has in their lives. Since declaring yourself "non-binary" doesn't provide jackoff fuel for the recruiting troon, he doesn't pull the leash in that direction.
 
I'm in the camp of people who think it's a vanishingly rare psychological disorder that a much larger group of perverts uses as a shield.
I mean, regardless of the validity of the disorder, the treatment still shouldn't be body mutilation, since we don't perform mutilation on other types of body dysmorphics or delusional people.
I've been mulling over this for a while: even if a fraction of autists don't align with their sex's stereotypes, they're not likely to align with the other sex's either, so shouldn't we see a larger portion of them identifying as non-binary, particularly men?
Autists can get hyperfixated on things and addicted, especially if they also have ADHD. A lot of autists have weird fetishes. I believe autism in general affects one's sexuality, as I've noticed autists tend to fall in either the low-libido-basically-asexual camp or the freak-pervert-weird-fetish-hypersexual camp. Autistic men getting really addicted into sissification porn and autistic women getting really addicted to yaoi doesn't surprise me. Though I do know a handful of very autistic nonbinaries.

Edit: On a separate note, unrelated to the other stuff in this post - I was wondering if maybe there should be a thread specifically naming and shaming "doctors who provide trans healthcare", if there isn't already. I know we have the SRS/GRS thread to showcase the horrific results. But I don't very often see doctors named there, and I feel like these doctors deserve to be shamed, just as much as sex offender trannies do.
 
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I mean, regardless of the validity of the disorder, the treatment still shouldn't be body mutilation, since we don't perform mutilation on other types of body dysmorphics or delusional people.
Well yes. I didn't mention that but I agree with it. I don't believe any of the assertions about "sexed souls brains"; it's all cope. However, most people (for obvious reasons) think a medical procedure to fix a disorder is a more "legitimate" thing to do than a cosmetic procedure undertaken to pursue a fetish- that's a good general heuristic that we couldn't change if we wanted to. Autogyn/androphiles encourage the framing of mutilation surgeries as the former type of procedure because it helps them pretend the fetish isn't a fetish. It's hard to get the medical industry to change their approach to the psychological disorder when you have a large group of perverts with a fetish for that mutilation insisting otherwise.
 
One of the issues I have with the wokism/ this tranny agenda is the fact that it is very stereotyping while it advocates for the freedom of expression and other stuff a lot. For them pretty much like extremists everything is black and white aka very binary and this pretty much applies to 99 percent of the moralities they follow. For example, to them, the picture of a man is always that of a hairy, buff, tough, and manly figure. They don't consider that the man could have a very versatile mindset and hobbies. Then a man dares to causally try and do something more in the feminine zone. He is immediately considered either a trans woman or any thousand different genders they have made. how does this make sense? Doesn't a man have the freedom to express himself without concerns of being transgender? This mindset kills the freedom that people are looking for because most of them simply don't like to be called transgender and they are happy with their bodies. if we want to keep micro-labeling people for every single difference they have, we will end up with probably billions of different genders for every person out there( this also applies for women as well ofc). No, if a boy likes girly stuff it doesn't make him a girl, and vice versa. let people be free about expressing themselves let them enjoy their lives without taking medications that can fuck up their bodies. There is no issue with a man trying to be more feminine after all we live in the 21st century, yet he must be also realistic as well. if his nature and what is inside of him tells him to be more feminine that's alright, sure, why not. but his nature also shows that in the end his chromosomes are Y and X and he is man. Respect your nature and listen to it since it's the only way to find your meaning in life.
 
I'm in the camp of people who think it's a vanishingly rare psychological disorder that a much larger group of perverts uses as a shield.
I think it's not a separate disorder from body integrity dysmorphia (?) or the people who think they're actual werewolves. Just that the particular narrative that specific mental illness latches on to manifests itself depending on the individual. I also think that general dysmorphia is taken advantage of ("I really don't like my nose it's so big and ugly" turns into "I really don't like this male nose, it's so masculine, and it's supposed to be pretty like a girl because..." and so on).
 
Disappointment, monke brain thinks "I could have mated with her".

Satisfaction, monke brain thinks "Good, less competition for mates".
Idk when I see a man who’s transitioned my monke brain just says “watch out, that’s a bloke, this is suspicious, may be dangerous.”

Question for the class, what’s the most disturbing aspect of troonism to you? For me, it’s the biological/medical stuff. The surgeries, and hormones especially is horrifying. And the social ramifications of this? it’s like the human body has become so malleable to the point where it means nothing.
Photography of troon men competing against real women in sports because they can’t hide how much bigger and stronger than the women they are and yet pc polite society is supposed to ignore what’s right in front of our own eyes. It’s a real “emperors new clothes” feeling when males are beating females at women’s and girls sports with scores/times a whole standard deviation above what any female athlete could do.
 
Question for the class, what’s the most disturbing aspect of troonism to you? For me, it’s the biological/medical stuff. The surgeries, and hormones especially is horrifying. And the social ramifications of this? it’s like the human body has become so malleable to the point where it means nothing.
The social ramifications of this. It feels so weird that out of all the delusions we have to accept its the idea that someone is changing their "gender" by injecting hormones and removing certain parts of their bodies. I don't get how this is seen as normal. Even if "gender identity" was a real thing, to be the opposite sex (or gender because fucking TRAs have to play this word game) is impossible. What ever happened to wanting to be a "gender non conforming" person who likes to dress in the opposite sex's clothing but knowing that this doesn't make you said sex? Even my friend who claims to want to abolish transgenderism (but thinks I generalize them) thinks people shouldn't be led down its path. So why aren't we advocating for telling these people that its impossible to be the opposite gender/sex but telling them its ok to be GNC? Why do they think that injecting hormones brings them happiness despite the fact that they still aren't the opposite gender/sex?
 
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