Rebel Moon - Star Wars But Not Star Wars

TVB said:
A lot of products rip off every other plot or storyline from another product. Star Wars literally copied Seven Samurai, as too with the 1960 western The Magnificent Seven, the 1998 Pixar movie A Bugs' Life, the 2004 PS2 game Seven Samurai 20XX and the 2004 anime Samurai 7.
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Factually incorrect and can be proven just by using the plot of these two movies. Seven Samurai is about a village looking for Samurai willing to work for rice to fight off 40 bandits. The middle chunks of that movie are about preparing the village's defenses while finding out that the farmers do kill samurai like sneaky fuckers. They stay anyways because Kikuchiyo made a really good argument why

What Star Wars's plot and characters come from is The Hidden Fortress. What's also interesting that most people don't know is Hidden Fortress is a comedy. The lead characters are Tahei and Matashichi, which is why Lucas has said R2-D2 and C-3P0 are the lens of the story and why he thought of C-3P0 as a used car salesman. Because these two characters' motivation is greed.

 
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I'm one of the 3 fucking people that actually liked Man of Steel (Superman is just too bland of a character, so you'd need a great writer and a charismatic actor to pull it off (Henry Cavill is charismatic, but he can't act to save his life) and the second best thing is to do a disaster movie with him brawling another dummie), but Snyder cannot direct a fucking character to save his life.

All he can do is beautiful establishing shots and some decent action. The last time he had a decent character in his movie, it was because a decent writer (James Gunn, Dawn of The Dead (2004)).

If he had somebody to keep his ego in check, he would have had a decent writer on his staff. But 300 ruined him, it was a great fun dumb movie, but you can't be doing that every movie, you need to engage the audience, and you are not gonna do that with some oiled up idiot yelling his lungs out and fighting every time he's not puking exposition for long stretches of screentime.

The man is a cautionary tell about never believing your own hype... and also how to deceive jews out of their schekels to produce box office bombs.
 
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Haven't read the thread yet. Just watched Rebel Moon - Part One and thought I'd post my reaction first. Though I'm predicting it's at odds as there seems to be a bit of a anti-Zack Snyder's films tendency round here and I quite liked it.

Sure, there are a few rough edges but at the very least it's competent and got some good things about it. I really liked the WWII aesthetic they had going on - the uniforms, the vaguely Soviet look of the main villain, the short back and sides haircuts on them all and the rivet-style spaceships. I'm glad this wasn't a Star Wars project. Well, mixed - I think it might have elevated Star Wars as everything other than Andor and Rogue One that they've released since TFA has been crap. But it also would have reigned in some of stylistic choices of Rebel Moon.

I liked the lead a lot. If there's going to be the trope of the "lone woman beats up a group of men", Zack Snyder is one of the better directors to do it because for a start he likes women that are actually athletic and tough looking. It's not Kristen Stewart in Charlies Angels flipping body builders into the air. For a start, the lead in this movie may not be Gina Carlo muscle size but she's certainly lean, certainly got a very athletic frame. Anime waifu she is not. She actually looks like someone who has been through hard times. Got a pretty solid chin as well.
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Basically, she can be charming and likeable without being some MCU wise-cracking look-I'm-acting type. And I like that. There's nobody in this movie that doesn't look like they can be their role. And the villain just as much so - he looks great in the role. And his general manner and delivery are excellent. Took me a while to place him when I was watching but he's the villain guy from Deadpool. He's very good in this.

Zack Snyder can go overboard with the stylised violence and normally I don't like it but in here he's mostly going for more realism. In the final one on one fight with the villain Kora gets the edge over him when she manages to temporarily rope him a railing. And there isn't the near universal trope of someone being beaten half-to-death and then suddenly finding the power of emotion and getting back up and fighting from fresh and suddenly winning. Something I've grown to really dislike in recent years.

And one thing I do like with Zack Snyder is that he still cares about film being art. He's not all about shaky cam or TV style. You get actual composition in the shots that I like. Such as the spider woman (who turned out to be Jena Malone, a favourite actress of mine) or Bloodaxe's final leap:
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Or near the end with Kora:
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Anyway, perfect? Probably not. Above average and a cast I really liked a lot? Yes. Rare that I find a cast these days that I'm genuinely impressed by and enjoy. This had that which gains it a lot of points in my book. Looking forward to part two.

EDIT: Okay, now to read this thread and see how much hate there is...
 
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Tablet County said:
I liked District 9. It got overpraised because it was about how racism is bad, but I thought it was a good movie.
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Never fails to astound me how people received District 9 as being this big anti-racist movie when all the Nigerians are portrayed as quite literal cannibalistic voodoo practicing gangsters and the analogue for racial victims that are the bugs are, with the exception of the special one and his son, actually mentally stunted and violent.
 
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Overly Serious said:
Never fails to astound me how people received District 9 as being this big anti-racist movie when all the Nigerians are portrayed as quite literal cannibalistic voodoo practicing gangsters and the analogue for racial victims that are the bugs are, with the exception of the special one and his son, actually mentally stunted and violent.
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Lots of anti-racist stuff leans into the most negative stereotypes because the authors cannot stop their own subconsciousness from sabotaging them. It's like the joke from the South Park episode with the Museum of Tolerance. Where they have the stereotypical racial caricatures and even the 'positive' ones like the 'asian who is good a math' are overly negative and mocking. Or like how Lucas tried to make Jarjarbinks a rastafarian but he came across as a shucking and jiving nigger cartoon instead.

The bug aliens in District 9 might as well be orcs from Tolkien in terms of how they represent niggers. It's all so hilarious.
 
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TheHarbinger said:
Or like how Lucas tried to make Jarjarbinks a rastafarian but he came across as a shucking and jiving nigger cartoon instead.
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I mean you're not wrong about the outcome, but Lucas wasn't doing it for any social purpose or virtue points. Using other languages and cultures was just something he grew up doing. At least some of the alien languages in the OT are just real human languages that sounded suitably unfamiliar to most US audiences. I think with Jar Jar Binks he just looked around for an accent and way of speaking that wasn't "American" in his mind and said 'that'll do'. Lucas predates that sort of social awareness.

Whereas with District 9, it's just a whole different level of clueless to me. I have a couple of Nigerian friends and to the best of my knowledge neither of them are cannibals.
 
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Overly Serious said:
I mean you're not wrong about the outcome, but Lucas wasn't doing it for any social purpose or virtue points. Using other languages and cultures was just something he grew up doing. At least some of the alien languages in the OT are just real human languages that sounded suitably unfamiliar to most US audiences. I think with Jar Jar Binks he just looked around for an accent and way of speaking that wasn't "American" in his mind and said 'that'll do'. Lucas predates that sort of social awareness.

Whereas with District 9, it's just a whole different level of clueless to me. I have a couple of Nigerian friends and to the best of my knowledge neither of them are cannibals.
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All I know about Nigeria is their prince really needs money all the time.
 
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Oh boy. This movie is a Star Wars ripoff with a Warhammer 40k skin and naming set applied to it. The indian guy is called Tarak. I guess giving him a velociraptor mount would have alerted the boomers.

This is the Asylum Warhammer ripoff we all never wanted to see. A bad fanfiction about Rey, Luke and evil Han Solo going up against the Imperial Guard and their Space Battleship Yamato. The Imperium's flag is the Cadian flag of the Imperium of Man's Imperial guard, lead by Belisarius, Captain... I mean general Titus the Abbomarine, with C3PO with horns called Militarum Mechanicus. . He isn't even a combat robot, so why is he Militarum? The technicians are cyborgs in red robes. The main villain is a carbon copy commissar who at one point dresses like a 80s evil businessman. Its like they copy pasted 40k without even understanding what the names are. They had the Commissar literally change into an evil corpo huwite costume. It even has SINDRI! apparently. Its like they just took names from a wiki, took Cadians, and added the SW heroes while randomly assigning names.

The laziest Warhammer/Star Wars crossover of all times, with bad writing and horrible dialogue.


Here, 1 minute of googling and a better concept involving the two franchises. More thought went into this joke than Rebel Moon, a title that is too long.
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I felt nothing, the movie is emotionless. The start as ok, I liked it but after they left the village everything went downhill. They spent most of the time going to places, this movie is 2 hours long, they could have done so much more. They don't even show the ship going FTL, it's a star wars tipo off and they don't show the ship warp jumping for fuck sake. They go to a arena planet and don't show the general fighting, they just say "here this guy his badass and important" and this goes for almost everything character except the Asian lady, she has the oppose problem ( that fighting scene was stupid btw, with stupid unnecessary slow motion like the rest of the movie) the not han solo betrayal was supposed to be a big emotional moment but at this point I didn't even rememberd why he was with them in the first place, anyways, black guy dies and somehlw manages to breach a spsceship glass with a makeshift spear nut who cares. About the main character and her adopted father, I'm dumb? I spent the whole movie thinking that he was the main villain, he was the one show in the flashbacks but he actually is dome random bearded guy with magical powers or whatever.
 
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Lazy Printer said:
I felt nothing, the movie is emotionless. The start as ok, I liked it but after they left the village everything went downhill. They spent most of the time going to places, this movie is 2 hours long, they could have done so much more. They don't even show the ship going FTL, it's a star wars tipo off and they don't show the ship warp jumping for fuck sake. They go to a arena planet and don't show the general fighting, they just say "here this guy his badass and important" and this goes for almost everything character except the Asian lady, she has the oppose problem ( that fighting scene was stupid btw, with stupid unnecessary slow motion like the rest of the movie) the not han solo betrayal was supposed to be a big emotional moment but at this point I didn't even rememberd why he was with them in the first place, anyways, black guy dies and somehlw manages to breach a spsceship glass with a makeshift spear nut who cares. About the main character and her adopted father, I'm dumb? I spent the whole movie thinking that he was the main villain, he was the one show in the flashbacks but he actually is dome random bearded guy with magical powers or whatever.
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After watching this Pile of shit, I now see Zach Snyder as a hack who has been lucky in the past do to actors and not his own intellect. This movie is written by a retarded AI.
 
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How is this shit getting a sequel? :( the movie took so long to show so little happening I imagine that the sequel will spent most of the the time showing them preparing some shit defense only to end in rushed battle. ( I still don't get why this pre industrial village is so important, they got a giant spsceship capable of nuking a entire planet, the little food that the villagers can produce would make nl difference )
 
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