Removing monuments of the Confederacy: Yay or Nay?

Recent events have convinced me that it's not appropriate to have Confederate memorials in prominent places. They are nothing but lightning rods for neo-Nazis and Antifas. By all means, move some of the more significant ones to museums where they can be seen in the proper context.

And don't disturb cemeteries or battlefields. Just let their souls rest in peace.
 
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Slightly Observant said:
Recent events have convinced me that it's not appropriate to have Confederate memorials in prominent places. They are nothing but lightning rods for neo-Nazis and Antifas. By all means, move some of the more significant ones to museums where they can be seen in the proper context.
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As long as that proper context isn't soiled by people who can't shut up.

And don't disturb cemeteries or battlefields. Just their souls rest in peace.
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Again, people don't shut up.
 
Slightly Observant said:
Recent events have convinced me that it's not appropriate to have Confederate memorials in prominent places. They are nothing but lightning rods for neo-Nazis and Antifas. By all means, move some of the more significant ones to museums where they can be seen in the proper context.

And don't disturb cemeteries or battlefields. Just let their souls rest in peace.
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Bullshit, just arrest each and every individual who shows up and causes problems at these monuments. This is our history, if these rejects want to cause trouble around them, the answer is to remove the rejects, not the historical monuments.

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While you guys were discussing this, the monuments were all removed and destroyed in the night, sorry!
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No, they were not. They are all in storage at this point.
 
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A major thing with these statues is that they do represent different things to different people. To some people these statues do represent heritage and history. However to some people especially to many black people these statues represent a system that didn't see black people as human beings.
 
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Having massive, expensive statues of people who represent the worst of such a dark point in American history without any sort of contextual supplemental material outlining the atrocities they committed only glorifies them in my opinion. I do agree that it is extremely important to preserve history. I just feel that commemorating these people in the fashion they currently are is extremely polarizing and irresponsible, especially when they're on public/government property.
 
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Steve Mayers said:
However to some people especially to many black people these statues represent a system that didn't see black people as human beings.
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In New Orleans, black people couldn't care less about these statues. As a matter of fact, the grand statue of General Lee in Lee Circle was a popular spot for blacks to watch the parades during Carnival. I was at the demonstration when that failure Mitch Landrieu decided to remove them without putting it to vote (Because he knew the vote wouldn't pass because the blacks wouldn't care enough to even show up and vote on it).

You know who was at the demonstration besides those of us who want to preserve our nation's history? Young, white transplants who haven't even lived here for more than 2-5 years. Sure, there were a handful of blacks, mostly all with one group, organized by an America hating, card carrying communist, black radical professor who's previous handiwork included having the name of a George Washington elementary school changed, because God forbid we have a school named after our first President and the Father of the country!

The point is, these college aged transplants want to be part of something, so they show up to these things to be "heard" or whatever. They aren't from here and they aren't going to be here for very long either. They wanted to go to one of our lovely universities and spend some time "finding" themselves in a "hip" city. Meanwhile, those of us who have lived our entire lives here and will continue to live here and raise our families weren't given a chance to be heard at the polls.

It's a completely disgusting trend.

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Having massive, expensive statues of people who represent the worst of such a dark point in American history without any sort of contextual supplemental material outlining the atrocities they committed only glorifies them in my opinion. I do agree that it is extremely important to preserve history. I just feel that commemorating these people in the fashion they currently are is extremely polarizing and irresponsible, especially when they're on public/government property.
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Why not bulldoze the Lincoln Memorial? He authorized war crimes on his former countrymen during the American Civil War.
 
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Coleman Francis said:
In New Orleans, black people couldn't care less about these statues. As a matter of fact, the grand statue of General Lee in Lee Circle was a popular spot for blacks to watch the parades during Carnival. I was at the demonstration when that failure Mitch Landrieu decided to remove them without putting it to vote (Because he knew the vote wouldn't pass because the blacks wouldn't care enough to even show up and vote on it).
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I was just reading up on that, are they still calling it "Lee Circle", because now it just comes off rather pointless without the MAN there. Wonder if that'll be up on some voting site soon?

You know who was at the demonstration besides those of us who want to preserve our nation's history? Young, white transplants who haven't even lived here for more than 2-5 years. Sure, there were a handful of blacks, mostly all with one group, organized by an America hating, card carrying communist, black radical professor who's previous handiwork included having the name of a George Washington elementary school changed, because God forbid we have a school named after our first President and the Father of the country!
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That was far from stupidity itself.

The point is, these college aged transplants want to be part of something, so they show up to these things to be "heard" or whatever. They aren't from here and they aren't going to be here for very long either. They wanted to go to one of our lovely universities and spend some time "finding" themselves in a "hip" city. Meanwhile, those of us who have lived our entire lives here and will continue to live here and raise our families weren't given a chance to be heard at the polls.

It's a completely disgusting trend.
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Certainly. I would be pissed if something like that happened in my hometown and I have all the knowledge in the world to try stopping it but fail because I wasn't even counted. Feels like you wasted you time learning all this firsthand only to be shot down by people who'll never come back.

Why not bulldoze the Lincoln Memorial? He authorized war crimes on his former countrymen during the American Civil War.
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See this is why I wish people didn't bother with this at all, it's way past its due date.
 
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Johnny Bravo said:
We could always just take down monuments that glorify the Confederacy and put up new ones that still acknowledge the history of the Civil War without condoning it. Or would that be too simple?
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They probably wouldn't go for that, any reminder of the American Civil War would be triggering to the idiots trying to destroy existing monuments. I'm more concerned that they will never be satisfied.
 
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Duke Nukem said:
They probably wouldn't go for that, any reminder of the American Civil War would be triggering to the idiots trying to destroy existing monuments. I'm more concerned that they will never be satisfied.
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What about a monument to all the black families that were broken up because of the slave trade? Or a minimalist monument to massive loss of American life on both s ides? I don't think it would be too hard to reach a compromise.
 
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Johnny Bravo said:
What about a monument to all the black families that were broken up because of the slave trade? Or a minimalist monument to massive loss of American life on both s ides? I don't think it would be too hard to reach a compromise.
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They wouldn't ever agree to such a thing because in their minds such a monument would be promoting racist stereotypes or whatever.

Remember, to these people, destroying historical sites and monuments is a way of making things as if racism and slavery and other REALLY BAD STUFF never happened.

These people are really no better than Pol Pot, who wanted to destroy everything in Cambodian society and go back to Year Zero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_(political_notion)

The parallels are uncanny.
 
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Duke Nukem said:
They wouldn't ever agree to such a thing because in their minds such a monument would be promoting racist stereotypes or whatever.

Remember, to these people, destroying historical sites and monuments is a way of making things as if racism and slavery and other REALLY BAD STUFF never happened.

These people are really no better than Pol Pot, who wanted to destroy everything in Cambodian society and go back to Year Zero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Zero_(political_notion)

The parallels are uncanny.
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Perhaps I should clarify that I would never invite SJWs or race identitarians to these hypothetical discussions. Normies only.
 
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Johnny Bravo said:
Perhaps I should clarify that I would never invite SJWs or race identitarians to these hypothetical discussions. Normies only.
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If you don't invite them, they'll invite themselves, and we'll have Charlottesville 2.0 on our hands. On a more serious matter, I like your proposals, I just don't see a whole lot of people getting behind them, whether out of fear of offending SJWs or just simple apathy about history in general.

Next thing you know, they'll be digging up graves of CSA soldiers and eating gallon bags of Taco Bell with their pants down next to them. This shit is really getting out of hand.
 
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What about a monument to all the black families that were broken up because of the slave trade? Or a minimalist monument to massive loss of American life on both s ides? I don't think it would be too hard to reach a compromise.
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How about a monument of someone whipping a slave in every black neighborhood? Just for fun.
 
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