EU Replacing US military support in Europe would cost $1T - The costs of like-for-like replacement of U.S. equipment and personnel would add up to approximately $1 trillion over 25 years, the study found.

Replacing US military support in Europe would cost $1T
Politico EU (archive.ph)
By Giovanna Coi
2025-05-15 12:38:20GMT

Europe could survive without United States military support — but it would take a quarter century to replace the Americans and cost as much as $1 trillion, according to a new report.

A study by the International Institute for Strategic Studies published Thursday found that a hypothetical U.S. withdrawal from Europe would leave the continent’s NATO members vulnerable to a Russian threat and faced with “stark choices” on how to fill the immense gaps.

The costs of like-for-like replacement of U.S. equipment and personnel would add up to approximately $1 trillion over 25 years, the study found. That includes one-off procurement costs ranging from $226 billion to $344 billion — depending on the quality of the equipment purchased — and additional expenses associated with military maintenance, personnel and support.

The most expensive line item on the shopping list would be 400 tactical combat aircraft, followed by 20 destroyers and 24 long-range surface-to-air missiles.

The IISS also estimated that in the event of a large-scale military operation to counter a Russian attack, the cost to replace U.S. personnel (estimated at 128,000 troops) would exceed $12 billion.

The assessment does not include other glaring gaps, the cost of which is harder to quantify. These include command and control, coordination, space, intelligence and surveillance, as well as the cost of nuclear weapons.

Europeans would also need to fill certain top jobs, like the position of supreme allied commander in Europe — NATO’s commander on the continent and its second-highest-ranking military position. With the U.S. out of the picture, they would also have to step up diplomatic coordination efforts.

Easier said than done
Filling the gap left by the U.S. in Europe would require a mix of time, long-term political commitment and more ambitious investment.

But even with unlimited political goodwill and the cash to match it, European industry would in the short term lack the capability to meet increased demand, according to the IISS. Arms manufacturers would be faced with supply chain bottlenecks, a shortage of skilled workers, and financing and regulatory constraints.

Most likely, the “buy European” dream touted by European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen would not materialize for a while. Even if procurement picks up in the land sector, other sectors like naval and aerospace have seen very little investment. In some areas like rocket artillery or low-observable fighter aircraft, buying local is simply not an option.

Still, despite Europe’s continued dependency on U.S. military suppliers, there are signs of progress.

The institute’s analysis of selected procurement efforts tendered between February 2022 and September 2024 found that 52 percent of their value was awarded to European suppliers, compared to 34 percent for the United States. The “buy European” trend is likely to gain traction, according to the authors of the report.

Europe is also spending more than before to defend itself.

In the wake of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, several NATO countries stepped up their efforts to meet or exceed the alliance’s goal of spending at least 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense.

Donald Trump’s return to the White House was also an unexpected boon to proponents of European defense. The president’s demands that European allies contribute more to NATO — and his suggestion that the U.S. might abandon its defense commitments to the continent — have cast doubt on America’s reliability as an ally. That makes the idea of “genuinely European defense,” as championed by French President Emmanuel Macron, more appealing.

But cash-strapped governments only have so much wiggle room to spend more on defense while keeping their national debts under control.

Moreover, tensions in countries like Spain and Italy, which are struggling with squeezed public finances, suggest public opposition to greater military spending could also be an obstacle if Europe is left on its own.

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https://www.iiss.org/research-paper...ut--the-united-states-costs-and-consequences/ (archive.ph)
https://www.iiss.org/globalassets/m...ited-states_costs-and-consequences_052025.pdf (archive.org)
https://www.iiss.org/globalassets/m...ited-states_costs-and-consequences_052025.pdf (archive.org)
 
European ideas of freedom are antithetical to American ideas, you're just Russia with a Western coat of paint.
That's an offensive description of Russia. Russia hasn't been leeching off of the US for the past few decades and calling us names when we stop paying their gibmedats. Euroswine are white niggers who think that gibsmaxxing is freedom.
 
Sorry, Germany. You can have a standing army, or a bunch of ungrateful brown rapists. Tough choice for them I guess.
 
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I think the thing that the people here are missing, is the time aspect. If all of Europe was to start replacing the US's shit with their own, like for like, it would take at least a decade (this article assumes 25 years) to do so. The price point per year that is supposedly so low is also assuming 25 years.

Do you truly think that if Europe started now, China or some other alliance wouldn't come in and take advantage of the fact you still have 2 decades worth of building up to do? The point isn't just the price tag. This is the same issue with American manufacturing. We can do it. The money to do it is a lot, but not unmanageable. But the time to make factories/etc. can make or break whether or not a thing is feasible. Is it worth making a factory if I can't use it for 5 years? What other options are there?

The numbers here are probably bogus, but the fact that America (with manufacturing) or Europe (with defense) got themselves in this position is the problem.
This is definitely what people are missing. Do you want it fast, cheap, or good? Because at best, you're gonna get two of three if you're very lucky.

This is sacrificing Fast with hopes of getting Good and what at this scale counts as Cheap, but if this defence crisis pops up in the next four years, the scale given is an order of magnitude too slow. If Trump turns to leave and a military crisis pops up at europe's door, there is no way they can spend two decades ramping this shit back up.

There is a maximum speed they can go, after all. If you don't have the factories to make all your own equipment, you can't go any faster until you build them.

And this doesn't factor in the manpower basically at all, or how long it would take to train everyone back up. At this point in time, I genuinely don't think a lot of these places even could do military conscription at the scale they need to produce this much faster - they literally don't have enough of a standing army to upscale on their trainees in any reasonable timeframe. It would take those two decades just to build up enough of a disciplined army,

It also doesn't factor in any of the other things that might happen that could slow things down, or bloat the cost. Various countries getting leery of each other's military armament. Getting a standing army operating on at least a militarily-functional single language. Getting the european people happy with the idea of needing a military. Potential consequences of ramping down other programs. Administrative bloat, both economically and as a barrier to quick development.
 
China's economic power came from an effectively infinite supply of dirt-cheap labor and that's coming to an end. That glut of working-age people is reaching old age and they have a demographic crisis so cataclysmic it makes the rest of the world look not so bad by comparison.

Blah blah blah same bull that Peter Zeihan said during COVID-19 that China was collapsing. Didn't collapse, instead China is providing Russia infinite drones to explode Ukrainians.

China can mass produce battleships, tanks, and aircraft unlike any other nation on Earth, they have no competition on that.

You think Europe will fare better, why, because you imported a bunch of Arabs and Africans? You think Mohammedans and Sub-Saharans are going to compete with China?

China will outlast Europe, as always.

Again, Europeans are delusional.

Peter Zeihan is the same fruit loop that said that Canada needs to increase immigration of Indians and Pakistanis to survive, on top of that he's a Zionist, and this turd wanted to end the US-Philippine alliance because he got upset with Duterte.

That's where the China is declining nonsense is coming from, that turd.

Peter Zeihan's modus operandi is that China has a demographic crisis, therefore China needs to import millions of Arabs, Indians, and Africans to survive! That guy.
 
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China can mass produce battleships, tanks, and aircraft unlike any other nation on Earth, they have no competition on that.
Because of their huge pool of cheap labor, which is quickly aging out. This is happening in virtually every country on the planet - it's just worse in China than others. Every state acknowledges this fact and is desperately trying to get their population to increase its birthrate.

There's nothing remotely controversial about the statements I'm making.
 
This thread
Americans: Great, we are sick of being the police of the world, let Europe figure out their own defense
Europoors: LOL coping their empire is ending!
Americans: We really don't care about an empire, we want to be left alone and you can figure out your own defense.
Europoors: LOL coping their empire is ending!
Hey, Europoors: We Americans have no need for an empire when already we have an entire continent with everything we could possibly want.
 
Because of their huge pool of cheap labor, which is quickly aging out. This is happening in virtually every country on the planet - it's just worse in China than others. Every state acknowledges this fact and is desperately trying to get their population to increase its birthrate.

There's nothing remotely controversial about the statements I'm making.

The point is not that China has a demographic problem, the point is that it is irrelevant because Europe is in a worse situation.

Europe also has low fertility rates, and the solution to bring in millions of Arabs and Sub-Saharans to replace Europeans is arguably worse.

China with a demographic problem is still a much favourable situation than Europe basically prostituting itself to Africans and Moslems.

And that's why China is still the ascendant great power, regardless of the demographic problem, the average Chinese IQ is 105.

Europe is literally replacing itself with low IQ Third Worlders.
 
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Seething burger whose non-existent wife wouldn't get any paid maternity leave and who gets 1 week of unpaid vacation time per year
Freedom isn't free, you alcoholic. Either you get our military protection and play by our rules or you figure it out yourself. I, like many Americans, am tired of Europeans who have never left their town in their whole lives, who drink 24/7, who don't realize all their free shit is money that would normally be paid for defense, who lecture the US about being awful terrible no good very bad, and then elect politicians who have the balls to make demands of the US while begging for more, more, more.

Europe is addicted to American money. It's now time for you retards to either accept that your meagre existence is only possible under the auspices of the United States of America, or you go your own way and realize how inferior your countries really are. If you fuckers are so amazing, you should have no trouble paying for all your social services and defending yourselves militarily, no?

If Europe gets raped by a pack of moskals, it'll be their fault.
 
The point is not that the China has a demographic problem, the point is that it is irrelevant because Europe is in a worse situation.
No, it's empirically, statistically, demonstrably worse in China. They have all the issues of low birthrates that every country does PLUS the consequences of the one-child policy.

the solution to bring in millions of Arabs and Sub-Saharans to replace Europeans
What the fuck does this have to do with anything? No one in this thread is arguing that this is a good idea.
 
No, it's empirically, statistically, demonstrably worse in China. They have all the issues of low birthrates that every country does PLUS the consequences of the one-child policy.


What the fuck does this have to do with anything? No one in this thread is arguing that this is a good idea.

China with a demographic problem is still way more productive than Europe filled with Arabs and Sub-Saharans.

Therefore, China is still the ascendant Great Power.
 
China with a demographic problem is still way more productive than Europe filled with Arabs and Sub-Saharans.

Therefore, China is still the ascendant Great Power.
China currently has an issue where its people do not want to work 120 hours a week for peanuts, and the CCP is actively beating down unionization and anyone who generally opposes sweatshop labor. They are in a pickle.
 
Frankly, can any Euro tell me a single reason why young Americans should die to protect you?
European ideas of freedom are antithetical to American ideas, you're just Russia with a Western coat of paint.
There's nothing democratic about Europe.
Russians are more honest about their self-interest. Europe tries to paint itself as the better america when anything it takes pride in is because of the efforts of those far greater than them. The Europeans of the 1200s to 1600s are not the europeans of the 2030s.
China currently has an issue where its people do not want to work 120 hours a week for peanuts, and the CCP is actively beating down unionization and anyone who generally opposes sweatshop labor. They are in a pickle.
And yet China's got more of a chance to correct their flaws than Europe does because it can afford to lose 400 million people along the way. Europe can't.
 
And yet China's got more of a chance to correct their flaws than Europe does because it can afford to lose 400 million people along the way. Europe can't.
China has a lower birth rate than Japan. Where do you think all the shills complaining about Western birth rates come from? China cannot afford to lose 400 million people.
 
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