Resident Evil - Virgin Vampire Wine Mom vs Chad Magnetic Lebowski

[evrae]

After playing REmake3, I don't think it's as good as REmake2. I'm honestly pretty disappointed at how little presence Nemesis seemed to have. There was only the part after activating the power station and that was the only time it felt like Nemesis actually had a mostly non-scripted presence. The fact that he went dog mode so early too was really disappointing too.
He would've benefited more from a large Raccoon City section, which would've given him the option to wander around like Mr. X did rather than just teleporting to whatever area you were currently in. The significant amount of stuff cut out is pretty disappointing too. But on a positive note I really enjoyed the hospital section and it's easily the strongest section in REmake3 (other than the dumb survival bit at the end of Carlos' section).

The rumors about RE8 sound quite cool, I really enjoy RE4 and the possible return of things like the attache case, a more jokey protag and the apparent return of elements from RE3.5 sound really interesting to me.
The other rumors about a RE4 remake are a bit worrying though, if they make Ethan in RE8 like RE4 Leon, I'd then be more confident in them not fucking up a RE4 remake but at the moment I don't expect it to be as good as the original RE4.

 

[Exbein]

I think I would rather have new characters. And expand on the HCF. It was hinted at Code Veronica (Wesker's new employer, until they fucking botch it by making him the new owner of Umbrella). And their first outing is on RE7. The virus? is different from Umbrella, so I would like to see more development on that.

As for the setting, I think, a game that is basically in the middle of developing virus outbreak would be great. Something like RE6 Leon chapter but more on containing the outbreak.

as for the mood and atmosphere, I hope they learn something regarding the real virus outbreak and use it.

 

[ProfDongs]

The series would definitely benefit if it continued with the idea 7 had I think. Keep it as this self contained thing where its still the same world post Umbrella, have a fresh cast as playable characters while older ones would be supporting or background characters. Since real time has passed maybe something created by Umbrella is still out there and its become something like a modern folklore creature (like with what 8 seems to be). Right after 7 came out my idea for the future of the franchise was something like an anthology series I guess.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

I get that but you would think the BSAA and Blue Umbrella (Neo Umbrella were the idiots in RE 6) would have already given him a cure just like Mia. Besides, Ethan's healing factor was nowhere near as close to Jack Baker's (unless it somehow evolves to that). RE 7 and Not a Hero did foreshadow this underground organization thats creating and selling BOWs (and not beyond working with psychos like Lucas Baker) so I can see Mia coming back since she was working for them... (sure, she changed her mind and wanted to quit but it was far too late) so I can see Mia kind of striking up a deal to not have her arrested but rather "forced" to be an informant on their dealings. As for Ethan, hopefully they have him more fleshed out because Ethan is easily one of the weakest aspects of RE7, he just felt like a silent protagonist even tho he wasnt suppose to be one, meaning he just didnt react like anyone is expected to react.

You know, I almost dont feel like seeing most of the old characters like Leon and Ada anymore for the simple fact that their characters felt tarnished by RE6 (and I honestly am kind of tired of them shoving Ada everywhere even when it doesnt make sense cuz she needs to have unsolved sexual tension with Leon). Leon just isnt the tough, determined but still human and likable dude he was in RE 2 and 4 anymore and given how this is his personality in other pieces of media outside of RE 4, I think Capcom prefers him this way. So personally, unless they really improve his character, I would rather they retire him altogether for future entries in the main series. Im surprised RE managed to reach the number 8 to be honest, you would think the characters are realistically getting too old now, I mean, Chris is meant to be in his 50's by the time RE8, I know he is as healthy as a stud with all his gummy flinstone steroid vitamins but they cant expect us to buy he will still be doing this for very long (given RE is meant to be at least SOMEWHAT realistic outside of all the monsters).

You say that like it’s not worth considering. Most other characters with powers from whatever it is in any given game are insane besides him and Sherry. Any little bit can help when shit hits the fan, even if it’s just suspension of disbelief re. herbs healing you.

 

[The handsome tard]

While that's an idea, honestly, I'm with The Handsome Tard on this one. These characters are getting old. RE advances in real time with real life, so these characters cannot keep realistically doing this forever. By 2020, Chris would be 47, Jill would be 46, Barry would be 60, Leon would be 43, Ada would be 46, Claire would be 41, and Rebecca would be 40. Rebecca Jill Ada and Claire are all far past what one would consider being normal marrying age, and are in the upper age range of their fertility should they want to have children. Jill, in particular is very close to period where she will possibly start to undergo menopause. Barry is really too old for this shit, and Chris and Leon, though both of them are healthy for their age, are still up there in years to still be playing super soldier and super cop.

In addition to that, these guys have been chasing the ghosts of Umbrella for pretty much most of their adult lives, with nothing to show for it. As far as we know, none of them have families or kids; they have no legacy. Realistically, that would have to weigh on them. How long could they keep doing this, and when they are old and tired and can't keep doing this, what realistically remains for them? Dying in a nursing home, cold and alone? It would be nice to see a Resident Evil game tackle these questions since, realistically, they all would be starting to grapple with their inevitable mortality and whether or not it was worth it to keep going given everything that has happened to them.

You got what I meant. Seems like none of the characters, outside of Barry that is, even bother with the concept of having families. I understand that its not RE material but if you are going to focus on the same characters over and over so much, at least bother exploring those more human sides to them. Seems not a single character seems to consider that maybe its time to settle down and maybe plan on having a family. It actually kind of makes them seem obsessive and thus less human. Like, these characters dont exist outside of the games, they exist to fight BOWs and thats really it. I think Capcom expects these characters to be, like 60 and still look on their physical primes. Im just saying it would be refreshing if that topic was brought up and if maybe Claire wouldnt be the only female RE character to maybe settle and have a family (maybe her children could be protagonists in future entries). Im just saying when you have realistic mortal characters, you cant expect them to keep doing the same thing and now have, say, some personal interworkings (because Leon and Chris want to stop Umbrella cuz they are evil and all but they have no personal stake, no families they want to protect back home).

You say that like it’s not worth considering. Most other characters with powers from whatever it is in any given game are insane besides him and Sherry. Any little bit can help when shit hits the fan, even if it’s just suspension of disbelief re. herbs healing you.

Not that I disagree, the problem is that I find the protagonists with powers being something too out there even for this series (it works with the antagonists since it makes them seem more threatening). The only one I can see working somewhat is Sherry but not Jake...guy can fucking Kung Fu RE 6's Nemesis clone so where the suspense would be? For me, Sherry should be suffering from the G curse in her family and body by having to take G Virus supressors so they wont have a chance of mutating and turning her into a G-monstrosity like her father. But I doubt we will see them again either way.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

YongYea pretty much sums up all the rumors regarding Resident Evil 8 and RE4 remake. He also brings up something I forgot to mention, which is RE8's development team is experimenting with bringing back the RE4 style UI and inventory system rather than carrying over the inventory system from RE7, RE2remake, and RE3remake (which I, personally, was never a big fan of). Here is the video:

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Turns out it was Shinji Mikami himself who wanted a RE4 remake to happen and talked with Capcom about it.

But Capcom bad.

 

[Neet Tokusatsu]

If RE4 gets a remake, i can imagine Capcom doing many changes, maybe toning down the action sequences, the QTEs, probably expanding both the village and castle and scrapping the island altogether, Luis could be playable at some point , etc. whatever they do, i just ask for one thing, please... please don't get rid of this guy

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

please don't get rid of this guy

I bet he gets a slightly bigger role or at least we learn more about him.

 

[The handsome tard]

I bet he gets a slightly bigger role or at least we learn more about him.

I actually hope we dont learn anything new about him, you know why? Simple, I think that the fact he isnt explained and, all things considered, is possibly supernatural (he is literally everywhere with access to everything) is one of the things that I think add to RE 4's charm. The Supernatural is almost never a thing in RE, its usually always explained as hallucinations and viruses, whatever, so a healthy touch of the unknown was nice for that game. I would have loved if they kept him for future entries and still didnt bother to explain much if anything at all. The fact we dont know is one of the reasons why he is such a fascinating merchant, because all things considered, he shouldnt even exist at all.

 

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

I zipped through RE3 OG over the weekend, and as much as I like the ending I have to confess that the last few minutes of R3make turning Jill into the DOOM Slayer is an objectively better angle.

 

[ShadowDoc]

So between RE3 Remake and FFVII Remake, which one fucked up more?

RE3's issues seem to be too many cut corners and segments, less gore and not as great AI (Especially Nemesis), at least from what I saw. I am aware of people objecting to the short length, but short length RE games aren't unprecedented as a few mentioned, and it does appear that pacing might make it feel quicker than it is. I'll wait and see what Capcom does in regards to DLC, (I.E. story additions) even if there isn't, I'll probably get RE3 later in the year if it's going cheap. I got RE2 Remake for $20 or thereabouts.

Slightly O.T. FFVII remake seems to have gutted characters, completely fucked up the plot (Both of which, thanks to Nomura and his mate, can't remember his name.), indescribable combat and generally seems like an overhyped mess. (I posted a comment about it in detail on the Final Fantasy Thread.)

 

[The handsome tard]

So between RE3 Remake and FFVII Remake, which one fucked up more?

RE3's issues seem to be too many cut corners and segments, less gore and not as great AI (Especially Nemesis), at least from what I saw. I am aware of people objecting to the short length, but short length RE games aren't unprecedented as a few mentioned, and it does appear that pacing might make it feel quicker than it is. I'll wait and see what Capcom does in regards to DLC, (I.E. story additions) even if there isn't, I'll probably get RE3 later in the year if it's going cheap. I got RE2 Remake for $20 or thereabouts.

Slightly O.T. FFVII remake seems to have gutted characters, completely fucked up the plot (Both of which, thanks to Nomura and his mate, can't remember his name.), indescribable combat and generally seems like an overhyped mess. (I posted a comment about it in detail on the Final Fantasy Thread.)

Im part of the camp that always found FF 7 to be overrated and think this remake only exists because people just cant see the flaws in their first RPG ever. I dont hate it but I dont intend on playing the remake since it never interested me so I cant help you on that.

REmake 3 isnt as good as 2 because I did grow up with OG RE3 and thus I can say that they skipped important parts of the game, outright skipping one of its most iconic bosses for some fucking reason. And they say it was to give a more linear better told story which Im going to disagree on that, REmake Jill doesnt hold a candle for the badass ontop OG Jill in RE 3. I can go on and on but I think you can see I consider RE 3 to be the worst remake but I didnt play FF7's remake so I cant compare.

 

[ShadowDoc]

Im part of the camp that always found FF 7 to be overrated and think this remake only exists because people just cant see the flaws in their first RPG ever. I dont hate it but I dont intend on playing the remake since it never interested me so I cant help you on that.

REmake 3 isnt as good as 2 because I did grow up with OG RE3 and thus I can say that they skipped important parts of the game, outright skipping one of its most iconic bosses for some fucking reason. And they say it was to give a more linear better told story which Im going to disagree on that, REmake Jill doesnt hold a candle for the badass ontop OG Jill in RE 3. I can go on and on but I think you can see I consider RE 3 to be the worst remake but I didnt play FF7's remake so I cant compare.

Understandable. I mean, there's those that weren't huge on some of the changes in RE2 Remake as well, so they're not for everyone. I get some of your complaints and if it's any consolation (Probably not) they did draw concept art of that particular boss for RE3 Remake. Maybe Capcom could decide that they want more moolah and release DLC for RE3 featuring those cut parts. Dunno.

I've always preferred FFVIII and X to VII, hell I'd rate XV higher. VII is very accessible however, which might be cause for such high ratings. But alas that is not the point.

Kind of funny how there's controversy over two hyped up remakes and I'm trying to figure out which one pissed off fans the most.

Edit: Forgot what people were complaining about with FFVII remake. And I was just talking about it on another thread. X_X

 

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

The flaws in the FF7 remake are from all the new shit.

 

[ShadowDoc]

The flaws in the FF7 remake are from all the new shit.

Shit I forgot. I was just talking about it on a different thread too. Though you forgot the biggest cut of all, I.E. two thirds of the game to sell in individual parts.

Moral of the story: Don't comment when you're starting to feel tired.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Im part of the camp that always found FF 7 to be overrated and think this remake only exists because people just cant see the flaws in their first RPG ever. I dont hate it but I dont intend on playing the remake since it never interested me so I cant help you on that.

Technically 95% of what you see in the remake weren't even in the original, to the point it diverges massively from the main story. It's not so much that it exists so people can't see the flaws of the original as you say, it's more to do with completely reimagining the original while simultaneously serving as a sequel to the original (it's weird and complicated).

 

[The handsome tard]

Technically 95% of what you see in the remake weren't even in the original, to the point it diverges massively from the main story. It's not so much that it exists so people can't see the flaws of the original as you say, it's more to do with completely reimagining the original while simultaneously serving as a sequel to the original (it's weird and complicated).

So a remake that adknowledges the original and somehow they are somewhat connected in a meta narrative?
Huh...sounds too smart for a Final Fantasy game to be honest. But then again, Im one of the fans (I LIKE FF7 but I dont love it as most do, I personally prefer the SNES trilogy) that was disappointed they changed the gameplay to resemble more of the newer entries (that I think just went downhill after dropping the turn based format in the PS2 era), I personally dont enjoy the settings and gameplay of the newer games, especially FF13...at least 15 was said to be the "most interesting" modern FF so far, maybe I will play it someday. Got a bit sidetracked there I admit but my point is that they have changed almost everything, gameplay included, from the original...also why episodic format? Well Gesh, I wonder who is the bad guy. It must be the emperor clown, wait, Kefka aint in this game....maybe its the evil tree-wait, Ex-death isnt in this game...hmm...maybe its the Darth Vader expy, no, Golbez aint here either...Im lost. Yeah, sorry for the bad joke but it is what it is, it simply doesnt hold my attention.


Edit: Aw yes, if square is so akin on remaking games, how about remaking Parasite Eve? At least in keeping with this RE thread, its a horror RPG game with RE-ish elements. The series went downhill after the second failed to live up to the original and the less I talk about the PSP "sequel/spin off" the better...

 

[The Penultimate Warrior]

Part of the reason FF7 is so well remembered is how revolutionary it was at the time. Aside from looking stunning, in Europe we never even got FF3/6 or many of the others big JRPGs, they were a very niche genre for people who could afford to import them. Plus it was at a time when games were telling more ambitious stories, so seeing a lead character get killed off halfway through was a real surprise.

Anyway, finished RE3 last night, only playing it in small sections as I knew how short it would be. Will agree with the general consensus that it is a good game whilst it lasts, which isn't all that long. Biggest let down is Nemesis is really only a set piece now, when the game was first announced I had visions of Mr X on steroids, appearing at random throughout the campaign to ruin your day. It really needed another area and second scenario, although maybe we will get some DLC.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

So a remake that adknowledges the original and somehow they are somewhat connected in a meta narrative?
Huh...sounds too smart for a Final Fantasy game to be honest. But then again, Im one of the fans (I LIKE FF7 but I dont love it as most do, I personally prefer the SNES trilogy) that was disappointed they changed the gameplay to resemble more of the newer entries (that I think just went downhill after dropping the turn based format in the PS2 era), I personally dont enjoy the settings and gameplay of the newer games, especially FF13...at least 15 was said to be the "most interesting" modern FF so far, maybe I will play it someday. Got a bit sidetracked there I admit but my point is that they have changed almost everything, gameplay included, from the original...also why episodic format? Well Gesh, I wonder who is the bad guy. It must be the emperor clown, wait, Kefka aint in this game....maybe its the evil tree-wait, Ex-death isnt in this game...hmm...maybe its the Darth Vader expy, no, Golbez aint here either...Im lost. Yeah, sorry for the bad joke but it is what it is, it simply doesnt hold my attention.

I don't want to go too off-topic considering this is the RE thread, but I'll give you the gist of it and let you form your own opinions.

Spoiler: FF7 Remake Spoilers

The remake is revealed to be an alternate timeline from the original. The original game and Advent Children have already happened in their timeline. Sephiroth steps in to basically fuck with the alternate timeline to try and win this time. This also leads to alternative events occurring, most notably Biggs and Wedge surviving. This also causes an alternate Zack to survive his last stand.

Also these ghosts show up to pester the main characters to try and keep the timeline going like it was in the original.