Resident Evil - Virgin Vampire Wine Mom vs Chad Magnetic Lebowski

[The handsome tard]

There were some debunked rumors earlier that RE 9 was going to have Jill and Leon in it.

Personally I want a return of two characters each with intertwining but different scenarios for an RE game. RE2 OG handled it masterfully and I cant figure out why they never went back to that formula which made replay really fun.

RE6 did have it if it means anything to you. Hell, so did RE4 with Separate Ways and RE5 with the Jill DLC

But Im going to assume thats not what you meant.

I want to say that Capcom is lazy or something but I think it has to do with canon in a way.

You see, RE 1 and 2 have an interesting canon because they are quite full of things that may or may not have happened. In 1's case, both Chris and Jill's scenarios are canon despite both contradicting each other. Its likely we dont even witnessed the true version of events where somehow the stuff with Barry and Rebecca are equally canon (nvm that in some versions, Wesker isnt killed). In the end, what was agreed to be canon is that everyone that can survive did survive. But it hasnt been confirmed which scenario is more canon, simply that they both equally are.

RE2 is a bit different where there are more variables in the events but Capcom did come out and say which one was canon. Claire A, Leon B ended up with what they were going with as Sherry only ends up infected in that series of events and RE6 did confirm Sherry still has the G-virus dormant in her.

My point is that its just easier for the plot to follow a singular cohesive order of events.

 

[wholetthegodsout]

RE6 did have it if it means anything to you. Hell, so did RE4 with Separate Ways and RE5 with the Jill DLC

But Im going to assume thats not what you meant.

I want to say that Capcom is lazy or something but I think it has to do with canon in a way.

You see, RE 1 and 2 have an interesting canon because they are quite full of things that may or may not have happened. In 1's case, both Chris and Jill's scenarios are canon despite both contradicting each other. Its likely we dont even witnessed the true version of events where somehow the stuff with Barry and Rebecca are equally canon (nvm that in some versions, Wesker isnt killed). In the end, what was agreed to be canon is that everyone that can survive did survive. But it hasnt been confirmed which scenario is more canon, simply that they both equally are.

RE2 is a bit different where there are more variables in the events but Capcom did come out and say which one was canon. Claire A, Leon B ended up with what they were going with as Sherry only ends up infected in that series of events and RE6 did confirm Sherry still has the G-virus dormant in her.

My point is that its just easier for the plot to follow a singular cohesive order of events.

That's probably why they decided to do it. Although its ironic because RE sometimes feels like a series where capcom barely cares or remembers whats going on in the story.

I guess I want scenarios with a degree of variability in them, small choices that can make for different experiences in replays.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole 2]

RE4Make is on sale so I bought it and have played it for a bit. It's pretty decent but for some reason the movement feels clunkier than OG RE4.

Having played more, the new movement is a trap!

 

[Michael Wade]

The thought of Billy dying makes me sad.

One of my favorite cutscenes from the game happens just before the second Tyrant encounter. Rebecca pulls Billy to safety after he nearly drowns, and the pair stumble upon a pile of skeletons. Billy then experiences a brief, PTSD-driven flashback of that time he witnessed and failed to prevent a war crime that targeted innocent civliians. The look on his face, along with his irregular breathing as he ignores Rebecca really sold that scene for me.

I mentioned this way back but they seriously considered bringing him back for the Netflix animated RE series to fight Leon, but they knew the script was too crap for it to work. That might be why Claire is so shit and barely has anything to do in it. In hindsight the role makes more sense for Rebecca.

The classic "Ichy, tasty" diary entry implies that the zombies might actually retain some level of understanding. Hell, the series actually sort of leans that the T-Virus zombies might horrifyingly be aware of what is going on to them. I recall that there is a pachinko game that has Forest's zombie chasing Chris, begging him to put him down. When he finally does it, with a rocket launcher, Forest even says "Thank you!" before being blown to pieces. I know that its a pachinko machine game but there is also Zombie Brad in the RE3 remake saying "Sorry" to Marvin before attacking him. Even if it was just repeating what he was hearing, thats still something beyond of a what a zombie can even do.

All in all, the possibility that somewhere inside, they are still "there" makes the idea of becoming a T-virus zombie a whole more horrifying

THAT right there is why I loved the new welcome to raccoon city movie. It was difficult to put into words, but that's why I loved the fuck out of their interpretation of zombies. They had a bit of humanity in them and that was freaky shit. When people are turning into zombies they are asking for help among the moans and they act unpredictable when freshly made because their instincts to eat people are clashing with the sane parts of their mind.

 

[The handsome tard]

An interesting plot thread in the RE3 remake that was kind of unexplored was the fact that Raccoon City could have possibly been saved if the antivirus wasnt destroyed as the US government promised to call off the nuclear strike if they were given a sample of the antivirus.

In the end, it wasnt meant to be and the city was leveled but it makes me wonder if the US government would have kept their word and spared the city, which in that case, how would they go along in cleaning up the city as the virus spreading wasnt a risk with the antivirus anymore.

I can picture the army coming in and conducting an extermination campaign on anything infected and the city would probably be left empty to be studied and cleaned up of any possible traces of the virus left. I can only imagine the repercutions on the series on "What if Raccoon City wasnt destroyed".

Would the BSAA still be created? Would Umbrella be able to survive? Would the city ever be re-open for people to live in it again?

Im surprised no youtuber took advantage of this as this could possibly changed everyone RE3 onwards.

I mentioned this way back but they seriously considered bringing him back for the Netflix animated RE series to fight Leon, but they knew the script was too crap for it to work. That might be why Claire is so shit and barely has anything to do in it. In hindsight the role makes more sense for Rebecca.

The CG movies are the definition of the word "mixed bag". Sometimes they can be rather decent but sometimes they can just be eye rollingly stupid.

The first one was kind of hype back then, ngl, the prospect of Leon and Claire teaming up together again to take on T and G-Virus threats again was a great prospect with the right amount of nostalgia. Tho looking back, it started off great but it began devolving rather quick, especially on its poor handling of Leon and Claire. Leon acted oddly serious and having none of the lovable charm he had in RE2 and 4 meanwhile Claire was really underutilized while forgetting she can hold her own against these threats.

They say the others were an improvement but not that much

 

[Wesker]

I've been going through RE5 recently and it's more clear to me how much of a hatchet Capcom will go at it. Chris will be slimmed down. Sheva won't have a Caucasian skull and just be a giant sloped forehead hoodrat like that sheboon in SF6. Wesker will be more of a White supremacist. There will be more Whites as enemies in fucking Africa.

There's definitely a lot to fix. The hummer rail shooter is godawful as well as the Gigante boss fight. I wonder if they would even bring back the tribal enemies since it's a little too bone through the nose nigger savage looking.

 

[Coldgrip]

Im surprised no youtuber took advantage of this as this could possibly changed everyone RE3 onwards.

Old video, but this guy touches on that.

Sad thing is, even if, somehow Racoon didn't get nuked, we'd still likely be stuck with Nu-Jill.

 

[The handsome tard]

Old video, but this guy touches on that.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gnRnsCv807A
Sad thing is, even if, somehow Racoon didn't get nuked, we'd still likely be stuck with Nu-Jill.

Yeah but thing is, this what if follows if Raccoon City was sort of quarantined and abandoned while what I asked was what if the anti-virus was obtained by the government and thus they felt it was safe enough to deploy the freaking army (who, lets face it, will be able to just utterly annihilate anything the city throws at them) to wipe the city clean. What would happen to the now cleaned up R.C?

Its very 28 Weeks later if you think about it. Would people ever want/be allowed to live there again? Without mention that there is a chance that the BSAA might not have been created, or at least not as big as they are in the prime timeline.

I do remember the lore states that the nuking had more reasons beyond containment, it was also to help cover up the US government's involvement in Umbrella's activities. I do recall RE5 had Spencer's diary explaining how the whole world is turning on him and Umbrella when the very government that is casting judgement on him partook in the same activities and he hopes the irony isnt lost on them.

So for all we know, the US government would get the anti-virus and say "Opps?" and blow up the city anyway.

 

[Wesker]

The Outbreaks are all canon and I like how they alluded to maybe doing something with the Raccoon crater since tower they built in the center detected life there.

Makes me think of the original RE2 idea of it being in the Mansion ruins.

 

[The handsome tard]

The Outbreaks are all canon and I like how they alluded to maybe doing something with the Raccoon crater since tower they built in the center detected life there.

Felt like it's something that could be touched on a third Outbreak game if it was made or maybe left the door open for future plots in the main entries to return to RC somehow.

Either way, as is, it didn't go anywhere and it feels like a teaser to a stillborn setup

 

[Wesker]

stillborn setup

There's quite a bit of that in this series. Wesker teasing Steve would come back as he did. I still think he's alive for some reason. Billy isn't dead. Neither is Carlos.

I do kinda wanna see a B team game of the supporting cast returning.

Every Outbreak character was great, especially comparing to the dogshit Resistance characters and I think it's inevitable for them to revisit Outbreak or make a new one since it's fanbase is growing with even the biggest streamers asking for it.

 

[The handsome tard]

There's quite a bit of that in this series. Wesker teasing Steve would come back as he did. I still think he's alive for some reason. Billy isn't dead. Neither is Carlos.

I do kinda wanna see a B team game of the supporting cast returning.

Every Outbreak character was great, especially comparing to the dogshit Resistance characters and I think it's inevitable for them to revisit Outbreak or make a new one since it's fanbase is growing with even the biggest streamers asking for it.

Billy - Probably went to hiding and could have gotten a new identity. Sadly, he is still pinned for crimes he didnt do and as far as we know, his innocence was never proven (You'd think Rebecca would dedicate some time post R.C or post Umbrella's fault to prove his innocence). Either way, its unlikely he will ever return, at least without some retcons thrown in the way.

Carlos- Iirc, the last thing he did in canon was share a drink with Jill, to celebrate their survival and they parted ways. Carlos is a mercenary, he works for the highest bidder so its unlikely he would join the BSAA or anything of the sorts. There is also the fact that anything associated with Umbrella would be investigated and that counts the group he was part of so he no doubt thinks its best he lay low while this whole Umbrella's fall stuff is going on. Still, I wont discard the possibility he could do jobs for the BSAA if the price is right.

Steve- Maybe they intended on bringing him back at some point. And it would make sense Wesker would be involved. I cant even discard the possibility that Jill's role in RE5 could have been Steve's tho it wouldnt have much impact without Claire being Chris's partner. But Im just speculating because outside of teases, Steve still remains very much dead. However, if Capcom ever makes a C.V remake, I wouldnt put it above them adding some scene that tease Steve could still make a return (maybe for RE9/10 or something).

As for the other B-team characters we have maybe Ashley, Sheeva and most of the RE6 cast to be honest.

Ashley- Forget about her ever returning. Nuff said

Sheeva- Outside of a RE5 remake, it wouldnt make sense for her to return either way as most of the series takes place in America or Europe and Sheeva is part of the Africa Chapter of the BSAA so there isnt much plot reason for her to get involved unless it affects that corner of the world. It is still implied she and Chris keep in contact tho so never say never I guess, Im honestly surprised she didnt appear in one of those CG movies/series, especially if Capcom would want to "diversify" the cast.

Sherry/Jake/ Leon's lady partner I cant remember the name and I dont care to check- Capcom is really trying to avoid anything RE6 related as much as they can. Even after 2 whole entries, we havent got any sort of connection to RE6, almost to the point you could almost argue that its in a "canon void" where it is canon because it cant be uncanon so the best thing they can do is never reference it ever again and its characters are the sacrificial lambs so its unlikely we are seeing these three ever again...especially Jake and Leon's lady Partner. I could maybe see them making an exception for Sherry, we will see.

There are many many others but I was just focusing on the main entries.

 

[Wesker]

I really hope Jake isn't returning unless they just make him visually a Wesker clone. Making him this eastern European skinhead with a scarface was gay. Him even existing goes against everything Wesker is. He's been in the zone since the 80s and he doesn't come off the type that just needs to get a load off with some gypsy. He could've been banging Excella and just used her for his goal.

 

[Coldgrip]

I really hope Jake isn't returning unless they just make him visually a Wesker clone. Making him this eastern European skinhead with a scarface was gay. Him even existing goes against everything Wesker is. He's been in the zone since the 80s and he doesn't come off the type that just needs to get a load off with some gypsy. He could've been banging Excella and just used her for his goal.

I honestly thought his and Sherry's campaign was going to involve finding out that he's some sort of super-human vanguard created by Wesker to help usher in his world domination plans.

I mean it's fucking stupid, but I was already two scenarios deep into RE6 so it was a level stupid I was expecting.

 

[Green Man]

The Outbreaks are all canon and I like how they alluded to maybe doing something with the Raccoon crater since tower they built in the center detected life there.

Makes me think of the original RE2 idea of it being in the Mansion ruins.

Outbreak was great because it really elucidated a whole lot more on other areas of the city during the outbreak and it was neat how in File 2 they had you return to the RPD [IIRC] before Claire and Leon show up. If they remade those with modern capabilities for online multiplayer and perhaps opened the map up just a bit, I think they'd have a hit on their hands but it's modern Capcom so I don't expect much. Only thing that bothered me a bit lorewise was the fact that canonically I believe all of the survivors from the Outbreak games escape, which sort of makes the idea of anyone trying to keep the Raccoon incident quiet a moot point since you've got all of these characters who escaped and I'm sure would not be bought off or just shut up about it, especially Alyssa who was a reporter if I remember right. But I can deal with plotholes, it's fucking Resident Evil for fuck's sake.

That scene of the observation tower intrigued me when I played it and I've always been irritated that they never did anything with that concept, it could be neat. Radiation from the bombs interacting with the T-virus and what-not. Of course there's not a whole lot you could do with it mapwise since it's just a big fucking crater and there aren't any buildings or recognizable landmarks, but they could have done something with it.

 

[Wesker]

Outbreak was great because it really elucidated a whole lot more on other areas of the city during the outbreak and it was neat how in File 2 they had you return to the RPD [IIRC] before Claire and Leon show up. If they remade those with modern capabilities for online multiplayer and perhaps opened the map up just a bit, I think they'd have a hit on their hands but it's modern Capcom so I don't expect much. Only thing that bothered me a bit lorewise was the fact that canonically I believe all of the survivors from the Outbreak games escape, which sort of makes the idea of anyone trying to keep the Raccoon incident quiet a moot point since you've got all of these characters who escaped and I'm sure would not be bought off or just shut up about it, especially Alyssa who was a reporter if I remember right. But I can deal with plotholes, it's fucking Resident Evil for fuck's sake.

That scene of the observation tower intrigued me when I played it and I've always been irritated that they never did anything with that concept, it could be neat. Radiation from the bombs interacting with the T-virus and what-not. Of course there's not a whole lot you could do with it mapwise since it's just a big fucking crater and there aren't any buildings or recognizable landmarks, but they could have done something with it.

I mean it doesn't seem like the series going forward after CV ever kept what happened in Raccoon a secret since the RE4 intro erases Umbrella inside of several seconds of dialogue that what happened there was fully blamed on Umbrella. I never liked that the STARS team wasn't the one to crush them. I don't even remember what happens in the Umbrella Chronicles game in regards to the last vestiges of the company but I half don't even count that as canon even though it probably is.

I love the idea of more exploration of the city during the Outbreak. It's what draws me to RE3 more than any other game set in that era I think, since it's the first to really do that. You do get a good idea of it in RE2, but most of the game is contained in buildings where as RE3 is almost entirely outside which is completely alien to the series at that point. Sure RE3 is an outdoor Mansion with the same nonsense puzzles, but who cares when that series has the most fun puzzles of the whole series imo.

The Outbreak characters I love since they're all clearly distinct from one another and have full backstories. I like how Kevin is a blatant Leon clone, but that doesn't matter. They're all clones in a way. Alyssa is Jill. Mark is Barry. Jim is Brad. Cindy is Rebecca. David is Forrest maybe? Unsure about Yoko and George.

 

[Brain Problems]

I love the idea of more exploration of the city during the Outbreak. It's what draws me to RE3 more than any other game set in that era I think, since it's the first to really do that. You do get a good idea of it in RE2, but most of the game is contained in buildings where as RE3 is almost entirely outside which is completely alien to the series at that point. Sure RE3 is an outdoor Mansion with the same nonsense puzzles, but who cares when that series has the most fun puzzles of the whole series imo.

2 was my favourite and I always loved the city section at the beginning the most but 3 never clicked with me. That's why I was excited about the remake and we all know how that turned out. The outbreak series is interesting because I don't mind watching let's plays of them but overall the only time I tried to play it was a miserable experience. Everything felt clunky and ugly. I think it's just a "had to be there at the time" thing that I'm more than willing to accept and move on with.

You'd think though that with the rise of modern co-op horror games Capcom would have at least put a B-Team onto remaking outbreak to try and cash in on the fad but what do I know.

 

[The handsome tard]

Kind of wonder if we are ever getting a remake of RE Survivor. I mean, I much rather we get a remake to a game that wasnt that great over a game that was already perfected.

There is also Dead Aim but no one seems to remember that game existed.

I mean it doesn't seem like the series going forward after CV ever kept what happened in Raccoon a secret since the RE4 intro erases Umbrella inside of several seconds of dialogue that what happened there was fully blamed on Umbrella. I never liked that the STARS team wasn't the one to crush them. I don't even remember what happens in the Umbrella Chronicles game in regards to the last vestiges of the company but I half don't even count that as canon even though it probably is.

As much as it wasnt narratively very exciting, Umbrella going down because of this did feel oddly realistic, especially when you consider the angle that the US gov was trying to cover their own asses by throwing Umbrella under the bus as hard as legally possible. Besides, keeping R.C a secret was kind of pointless, many people escaped the city (around its early days but even a few were able to do so in the latter ones) and they had all kinds of tales to tell. It really felt like Umbrella couldnt bribe nor threaten their way out of this legal nightmare as the American people would be demanding answers. Their stocks would realistically drop to the point of non existence and the US would be raining down legal sentences left and right.

Wesker was right when he said "it was time to abandon the sinking ship that now was Umbrella..." way back during Zero's events, he knew this outcome was inevitable as the outbreaks would get too big to contain and hide sooner or later.

I love the idea of more exploration of the city during the Outbreak. It's what draws me to RE3 more than any other game set in that era I think, since it's the first to really do that. You do get a good idea of it in RE2, but most of the game is contained in buildings where as RE3 is almost entirely outside which is completely alien to the series at that point. Sure RE3 is an outdoor Mansion with the same nonsense puzzles, but who cares when that series has the most fun puzzles of the whole series imo.

R.C wasnt just a city of the dead by that point, it was a free for all between survivors, zombies, BOWs and fuck, Birkin and Nemesis were roaming around for any unlucky fellah to come across them.

It was a horrifying place to be with very little ways out. But also exciting to explore different corners of and see what fucked up thing did and is happening.

I believe all of the survivors from the Outbreak games escape, which sort of makes the idea of anyone trying to keep the Raccoon incident quiet a moot point since you've got all of these characters who escaped and I'm sure would not be bought off or just shut up about it, especially Alyssa who was a reporter if I remember right.

Iirc, we read a journal in RE7 that is actually from Alyssa so it was a subtle reference to the Outbreak duology and the confirmation that they really are canon.

 

[Scarthew]

There is also Dead Aim but no one seems to remember that game existed.

TRANS SEPHIROTH

 

[Green Man]

There is also Dead Aim but no one seems to remember that game existed.

I remember it and also remember making the astoundingly poor decision to play through it shortly after release without a light gun, the regular controller layout was ass but I was bored so away I went. Honestly the atmosphere of the cruise ship was really fucking creepy, I remember it being way more unsettling than any setting of an RE title prior. The only other setting in RE I can recall affecting me that way was Alfred's house in CV and that fucking first hallway in RE1, that dog jumping through the window got me real good when I was a kid. The story was... ass, but you do get to take out a mutant troon so there's that. The voice acting was abysmal and makes RE1's original voice acting look like a masterpiece, Fongling was knockoff Ada Wong and Bruce was knockoff Chris Redfield, the subtitles didn't match up at all with what the characters were saying, etc.

Other than that it was relatively amusing, probably would have been more fun with a light gun though. And now if you want to play it as intended, you're kinda fucked unless you have a tube TV kicking around still. I have one but I'd wager most people haven't kept them around since they're huge and cumbersome.