Resident Evil - Virgin Vampire Wine Mom vs Chad Magnetic Lebowski

[Zaryiu]

the more i hear about it the less interested in buying it i am, sounds like Capcom is falling back into it's old ways again, RE1 remaster was a fluke

 

[Ali della Fenice]

the more i hear about it the less interested in buying it i am, sounds like Capcom is falling back into it's old ways again, RE1 remaster was a fluke

re1 remaster is a port of a game. A game that was made 17 years ago, by a team of people who had worked on the first resident evil. It was a niche passion project, with not that big of a budget.

this one was done mostly by people who handt worked on ogRe2 and was made to appeal to the largest playerbase possible.

It's not a bad game by any means but if Og re2 holds a special place in your heart, you might be disappointed by some of the choices they've made.

 

[Zaryiu]

re1 remaster is a port of a game. A game that was made 17 years ago, by a team of people who had worked on the first resident evil. It was a niche passion project, with not that big of a budget.

this one was done mostly by people who handt worked on ogRe2 and was made to appeal to the largest playerbase possible.

It's not a bad game by any means but if Og re2 holds a special place in your heart, you might be disappointed by some of the choices they've made.

RE2 was the first Resident evili played and beat

 

[Megaroad]

it seems to me that some people cant just admit that this game has flaws and does quite a few things worse than the original, despite its big boy budget and infinitely superior technology at its disposal.
You dont need a exceptional zombie child that says ''mommy'' to create drama.
She could have mentioned that she had an informer inside umbrella or something but, nope.
Its changes for the sake of change that serve no purpose.

as for claire, the problem was not the fighting but the way it was portrayed. She was acting more confident than her brother did in re1 and he had military training . She didnt show an ounce of hesitation, nothing. She was like yaa damn bitch, Igot this.
Claire never acted like this.
I dont know whose idea it was to make leon a cuck and claire a rambo but, it just comes off as pandering towards modern western culture.

REmake 2 has its flaws, but after years of b-grade shit "at best" in the series it's a breath of fresh air. I still prefer how og RE2 told it's story but REmake 2 isn't that bad.

I find Claire acting like her brother: confident and full of justice. I don't see Leon as a cuck, just an over ambitious rookie policer officer in over his head.

I can spot bizarre western politics in a game a mile away but I just can't in REmake 2.

I will admit after replaying OG Re2 and the first remake, I do welcome the gameplay of REmake 2 over old school finally. Hit that balance between old and new I always wanted.

 

[HeyYou]

re1 remaster is a port of a game. A game that was made 17 years ago, by a team of people who had worked on the first resident evil. It was a niche passion project, with not that big of a budget.

this one was done mostly by people who handt worked on ogRe2 and was made to appeal to the largest playerbase possible.

It's not a bad game by any means but if Og re2 holds a special place in your heart, you might be disappointed by some of the choices they've made.

OG RE2 was one of my first games, and the remake is pretty much just as good. I'm really not seeing your complaints, like Claire swearing too much or being too feminist or something. It feels like nitpicks for the sake of nitpicks. Rail on the lackluster A/B system and such, but goddamn are people choosing to forget some of the absolutely shitty parts of the original. Resident Evil games have not once made me feel any semblance of sadness, and the remake brought me pretty close at times. The OG can barely be taken seriously if you're not ~10.

 

[Ali della Fenice]

OG RE2 was one of my first games, and the remake is pretty much just as good. I'm really not seeing your complaints, like Claire swearing too much or being too feminist or something. It feels like nitpicks for the sake of nitpicks. Rail on the lackluster A/B system and such, but goddamn are people choosing to forget some of the absolutely shitty parts of the original. Resident Evil games have not once made me feel any semblance of sadness, and the remake brought me pretty close at times. The OG can barely be taken seriously if you're not ~10.

they are legit complaints, not nitpicks. Sorry if you have low standards but, I've been playing for a long time and when I play a remake of a game that was made 20y ago, I expect everything to be better and for them not to change some of the back story, because whatever.

Now you gonna tell me the original ost isnt better and the new croc encounter isnt dogshit ?

REmake 2 has its flaws, but after years of b-grade shit "at best" in the series it's a breath of fresh air. I still prefer how og RE2 told it's story but REmake 2 isn't that bad.

I find Claire acting like her brother: confident and full of justice. I don't see Leon as a cuck, just an over ambitious rookie policer officer in over his head.

I can spot bizarre western politics in a game a mile away but I just can't in REmake 2.

I will admit after replaying OG Re2 and the first remake, I do welcome the gameplay of REmake 2 over old school finally. Hit that balance between old and new I always wanted.

But Re has always been "b-shit" with some drama sprinkled over it.
It seems to me theres a push to shit on the old, like there was with nu-god of war. Now your game is for grown ups, because you have feels and stronk confident women in it.

 

[HeyYou]

they are legit complaints, not nitpicks. Sorry if you have low standards but, I've been playing for a long time and when I play a remake of a game that was made 20y ago, I expect everything to be better and for them not to change some of the back story, because whatever.

I dunno dude, "Claire's a feminist and Leon's a cuck" seem like pretty bizarre nitpicks to me. The things I don't like about the story involve the disappearance of John (although I liked the new "Ada is pretending to be FBI" angle), Leon and Claire meeting more infrequently and the lack of concrete explanations for events that were in the original (like the helicopter crash and appearance of Mr. X). That said, I think there are a lot of changes that are better, like Robert's appearance and the final confrontation between Ada and Leon, as well as the final scene. Claire and Leon were both extremely competent, as it should be, and I like the small changes to both of their personalities (Claire is presented as more heroic since she learns Chris left earlier on and Leon is a bit less naive and defensive of Ada).

I don't have low standards, I took them at face value when they said "this isn't just REmake, this is a re-imagining of the story as well". I like some of their changes, I don't like others. That said, the gameplay, atmosphere and locations (outside of the sewers, which to be honest weren't that good in the original, and the lack of the factory as a fully explorable location) are just better for me, so yeah, I like the game.

 

[Ali della Fenice]

I dunno dude, "Claire's a feminist and Leon's a cuck" seem like pretty bizarre nitpicks to me. The things I don't like about the story involve the disappearance of John (although I liked the new "Ada is pretending to be FBI" angle), Leon and Claire meeting more infrequently and the lack of concrete explanations for events that were in the original (like the helicopter crash and appearance of Mr. X). That said, I think there are a lot of changes that are better, like Robert's appearance and the final confrontation between Ada and Leon, as well as the final scene. Claire and Leon were both extremely competent, as it should be, and I like the small changes to both of their personalities (Claire is presented as more heroic since she learns Chris left earlier on and Leon is a bit less naive and defensive of Ada).

I don't have low standards, I took them at face value when they said "this isn't just REmake, this is a re-imagining of the story as well". I like some of their changes, I don't like others. That said, the gameplay, atmosphere and locations (outside of the sewers, which to be honest weren't that good in the original, and the lack of the factory as a fully explorable location) are just better for me, so yeah, I like the game.

if course I didnt mean a literal feminist and a literal cuck.
They just altered their personalities a bit too much.
They made claire less feminine, way more overconfident.
They made leon less naive in regards to ada but pushed his idealistic views up to eleven. Him wanting to save the city, after he had already seen that there were pretty much no survivors, was pretty naive of him. They made him also pretty incompetent with how he gets taken by surprise by the dog. He also took too much shit from everybody, unlike his former self who would fire right back, when somebody would give him shit. Like with Ben for example:

Nu-leon: oh sorry I need permission from my boss, which I dont even know whether he is still alive or not, to pull you out of here.

Old leon: hey fuckface, come out of here and stop being a smartass.

Claire just goes face to face with an ungodly mostruosity and doesnt break a sweat, showing no fear, but cockiness instead.
Constantly swears like no tomorrow.

The half zombie child was unnecessary to say the least.
I liked how they gave more space to marvin though.
Didnt like the changes to the lab and the removal of some enemies. They could have added a new transformation mechanic for the zombies, like in remake1 or added some of the cancelled creatures the og game had.
It is a decent game but as a remake is pretty much on par with twin snakes, so kinda meh.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

although I liked the new "Ada is pretending to be FBI" angle

That was probably the stupidest change to a character they made. Her entire shtick was absurd and unbelievable on its face. Would anybody really believe that the FBI would send in a single agent into a city-wide biological outbreak, with no backup, while wearing high heels, nylon stockings, and a cocktail dress, complete with trenchcoat and sunglasses (at night!) like a Dick Tracy-reject, to investigate one of the largest pharmaceutical corporations in the world? Her story was so unbelievable, all it did was damage my suspension of disbelief that Leon wouldn't immediately call bullshit on her story, and especially since he's a cop and would know that Ada looked and acted nothing like a member of law enforcement. Hell, her new cover story and clothing make her look more suspicious.

 

[Ali della Fenice]

That was probably the stupidest change to a character they made. Her entire shtick was absurd and unbelievable on its face. Would anybody really believe that the FBI would send in a single agent into a city-wide biological outbreak, with no backup, while wearing high heels, nylon stockings, and a cocktail dress, complete with trenchcoat and sunglasses (at night!) like a Dick Tracy-reject, to investigate one of the largest pharmaceutical corporations in the world? Her story was so unbelievable, all it did was damage my suspension of disbelief that Leon wouldn't immediately call bullshit on her story, and especially since he's a cop and would know that Ada looked and acted nothing like a member of law enforcement. Hell, her new cover story and clothing make her look more suspicious.

Leon is a fucking retard.
He says right at the beginning '' fuck it's everybody, they've all turned!'' and then says he wants to save the city.
What city are you going to save if everybody is fucking dead? plus his constant m'ladying for Ada was kinda funny in a bad way.
He only somewhat redeems himself at the end, when he points his gun at Her but then, lowers it immediatly, like the good soyboy he is. Cant show too much of that toxic masculinity I guess XD

In 98 he just wanted to rescue the survivors and get the hell out. He still said dumb shit every now and then, like saying he thought Ada couldnt be a spy, because he knew her. Yeah for 5 minutes, lol.
But overall he was definitely more determined.

 

[Jaimas]

Listing the ways this game fucked its own continuity would take pages. Lets start with the fact the Mrs. Birkin shot her G-Virus infected husband twice, then died twice, in two different ways, once for each play through. Or that both Leon and Claire fight the same bosses in the same locations in both playthroughs, barring their final boss. Or that it literally took only minutes for Leon to find a key to get into the Police Station in his B scenario after meeting Claire, but when he gets in, Claire is nowhere to be found, none of the puzzles are completed (in other words, they've all reset) and Marvin is already zombified. If you play the Claire B scenario, you have to open the container with the G-Virus sample using a key, but when you go as Leon in the A Scenario, its already open? Or how the game fucks up Mr. X's appearances by having him appear in both scenarios (he only appeared in the B scenario in the original game) thus he gets killed in the A Scenario for Claire while he's still running around the B Scenario, and vice versa. The fact that these characters don't interact with each other at all outside like two cutscenes, and the ability to influence a B scenario run by leaving certain weapons or items for that character to find has been completely removed. Just all these little things (and big things) that cause you to realize that they completely half-assed the A Scenario/ B Scenario system for this game.

From what I understand, the scenario system was added at the last minute after they initially weren't going to include it, probably because fans complained it wasn't in the game. Well, fans got what they asked for in the worst possible way. I mean, the first game was not canonically coherent all the time from what I understand, but this game just made the timeline more illogical. This is worse than the REmake not fixing the massive continuity issues of the first game.

I get where you're coming from, and I will agree a lot of it is awkward and that the remake's B scenario could have done way more, but I feel like you're missing some context here. RE2's A and B scenarios were, in and of themselves, a continuity 9-car-pile-up (though a very entertaining pile-up), and Resident Evil has always had canon wiggle. Every new game has introduced minor and major retcons, fixed (and broke) various lore points, and so on.

RE2's remake isn't an outlier here, but you're right in that some of it is just.... Awkward. Really awkward. What makes it especially bizarre is that the remake also has fantastic continuity nods to RE3, Outbreak, et al, so some of them are just really galling atop this. A huge part of the Police Station chapter is a love-letter to Outbreak: File #2, referencing characters and events from that game, but the game will then completely awkward out with something like the handling of Annette.

There's other issues, too. Claire and Leon barely interacted in the original game - crossing paths a whole three times: Once in the STARS office, again in the sewers, and a final time at the train at the end. Some of what you mentioned isn't as lorebreaking as you made it out to be: Canonically, the T-103 showing up in both scenarios can easily explained by the fact that Umbrella canonically deployed more than one even back in RE2 original (you find what happened to several in RE3).

I agree that they could have handled some of the game's content way better.
I'd argue, however, that it's still one of the most competent remakes issues aside.

 

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

There's also the simple explanation Capcom have gone with - it's a reimagining, not a retelling, and doesn't have to strictly abide by continuity because the two campaigns are alternate versions of what could've happened, rather than concurrent events.

 

[huckbeine]

From the original RE2 expanded novels, Kendo was giving away his guns and ammos to the ones that are able to survive and get into his shop. He sent a message to Barry that he is sorry that he gave away his ordered magnum to someone else. This prompted to Barry to come back to Raccoon City. You can get Barry in 3 if Nikolai was able to steal the helicopter.

 

[huckbeine]

That was probably the stupidest change to a character they made. Her entire shtick was absurd and unbelievable on its face. Would anybody really believe that the FBI would send in a single agent into a city-wide biological outbreak, with no backup, while wearing high heels, nylon stockings, and a cocktail dress, complete with trenchcoat and sunglasses (at night!) like a Dick Tracy-reject, to investigate one of the largest pharmaceutical corporations in the world? Her story was so unbelievable, all it did was damage my suspension of disbelief that Leon wouldn't immediately call bullshit on her story, and especially since he's a cop and would know that Ada looked and acted nothing like a member of law enforcement. Hell, her new cover story and clothing make her look more suspicious.

I like the FBI backstory. It makes more sense than the original "My boyfriend is a file entry from Resident Evil 1, and I am here to look for him"

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

I like the FBI backstory. It makes more sense than the original "My boyfriend is a file entry from Resident Evil 1, and I am here to look for him"

A woman looking for her boyfriend in the middle of a sudden onset disaster is quite a bit more believable than "random lone FBI agent in high heels trying to investigate multinational super corporation in the middle of a disaster by herself".

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

There's other issues, too. Claire and Leon barely interacted in the original game - crossing paths a whole three times: Once in the STARS office, again in the sewers, and a final time at the train at the end.

Don't forget the fact that they kept in touch with each other over radio through much of the game, and the whole "leave weapon for Scenario B character to find" aspect. Both of those are completely forgone. And hell, meeting each other 3 times is still a step up from meeting once, then never again till the end.

Some of what you mentioned isn't as lorebreaking as you made it out to be: Canonically, the T-103 showing up in both scenarios can easily explained by the fact that Umbrella canonically deployed more than one even back in RE2 original (you find what happened to several in RE3).

In canon, only one T-103 was deployed to search for the G-Virus (that was its original purpose in Resident Evil 2; killing witnesses was only a secondary goal), while the rest (like 6 more) were deployed to destroy a special forces team sent to recover Birkin and all of those were destroyed completing their task.

I agree that they could have handled some of the game's content way better.
I'd argue, however, that it's still one of the most competent remakes issues aside.

Oh, its still a competent game, gameplay issues aside, and probably the best remake I've seen to date, so I wasn't really arguing that the game was bad, just that the way they handled the story was amazingly subpar compared to the rest of the game.

 

[Ali della Fenice]

There's also the simple explanation Capcom have gone with - it's a reimagining, not a retelling, and doesn't have to strictly abide by continuity because the two campaigns are alternate versions of what could've happened, rather than concurrent events.

yeah but they are still calling it RE2. Im personally not a fan of using the original name and then doing your own thing with the story, but this with every piece of media, not just this game. Feels like a lazy excuse.
would have been different if they added stuff on top of the old one, instead of straight up changing it, like the kids getting experimented on by birkin. It felt like a good parallel to what he did to Lisa in the first remake.

 

[RG 448]

Just completed Claire’s second run and I love this game. Aside from the remake of the first game, which I gave up on because it was too frustrating, this was my first complete RE experience.

A woman looking for her boyfriend in the middle of a sudden onset disaster is quite a bit more believable than "random lone FBI agent in high heels trying to investigate multinational super corporation in the middle of a disaster by herself".

Leon, at least this incarnation of Leon, is not a smart man. Iirc, Ada didn’t even claim to be FBI until after she’d interacted with him enough times to suss out what kind of cover story he’d buy.

 

[Jaimas]

Leon, at least this incarnation of Leon, is not a smart man. Iirc, Ada didn’t even claim to be FBI until after she’d interacted with him enough times to suss out what kind of cover story he’d buy.

I'd say less stupid and more naive.

Bear in mind that she's literally the first thing that isn't Claire or Marvin he's met in Raccoon City that hasn't had designs on his sweetbreads.

 

[RG 448]

I'd say less stupid and more naive.

Bear in mind that she's literally the first thing that isn't Claire or Marvin he's met in Raccoon City that hasn't had designs on his sweetbreads.

In any case in my playthrough Leon was saving himself for Mr. X, who might be my favorite video game baddie ever now.