Resident Evil - Virgin Vampire Wine Mom vs Chad Magnetic Lebowski

[Kurtis Trent]

I've always been interested in a lot of the concepts in Resident Evil 1.5 in general.

I liked the concept of Annette being the main villain. She even had a G form. The ended up using that idea for Alex Wesker, I believe.

 

[Soycast Guy]

Capcom is weird about giving Hunk his own game. It must be one of those bizarro Japanese business culture things where the customer wants thing but the company just refuses to do it for reasons. Just like Final Fantasy 7 remake, no one wanted a FF 7 sequel, they just wanted the same game with updated visuals and improvements to gameplay issues. Or, Capcom not releasing Monster Hunter on consoles and PC until very recently. Or an MMO Pokemon game. Etcetera and etcetera.

The closest we got to a Hunk game was Operation Raccoon City and Umbrella Corps (shudder).

If the capcom leak is true and there really is this Resident Evil Hank game releasing in 2024 (probably meant to be titled hunk) Hunk could be getting his own game.

 

[Pig Boss]

Man, I really need to play this game. I am disappointed that I have never actually played it and yet, it looks pretty good (Gameplays). I just don't know which one I should play first.

Play them in order of release, 1,2,3,CV,0 then 4 etc.

 

[Coldgrip]

(Outbreak's unreleased model looks way different, but its not canon.)

Looks kind of like Nikolai.

What I've always been way, way more interested in are the two early versions of RE4, the "fog" and "hookman" ones, I can't complain too much because the changing of RE4 lead to us getting Haunting Ground and I wouldn't want to trade that game, from what I also remember RE4 was originally supposed to be the end of the series and despite it's ups and down I'm glad it kept going, but it's the kind of thing where I would absolutely love to be able to slip into an alternate universe and see what those would have been like had they been completed.

I'm glad they didn't go with the Fog or Hookman stuff. Too much like Silent Hill and just didn't feel right to me.

I hope they never get it into their heads to remake Haunting Grounds. You know it would be censored to shit and all the characters would become one-dimensional caricatures. Oh, and Fiona would be a former green beret or some dumb shit in order to make her more tough.

From what I understand with RE2 and RE3 Remake you can't necessarily consider them "canon" with the mainline series as there's some contradictions, so why not use that as an opportunity to retell the final showdown with Umbrella and Wesker?

From what I recall, ever since RE7 they've been soft retconning the series. REmake 2 and 3 are considered the nu-canon.

 

[X Pac Heat]

From what I recall, ever since RE7 they've been soft retconning the series. REmake 2 and 3 are considered the nu-canon.

I'm completely okay with this. Old canon should have ended at 5.

 

[Coldgrip]

I'm completely okay with this. Old canon should have ended at 5.

I'm mixed on it. It wouldn't be too hard to soft or even outright retcon a good chunk of 6's canon, and 7 does give the series a new path to go down, but they've already gone back to some of the old bullshit that made the later games dopey. REmake 2 and 3 weren't too bad though story-wise though so I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they handle the eventual remake of 4.

Personally, I don't have high hopes.

 

[Articles and Nudes]

Did anybody notice a change in personality between RE2 and the remake? I heard he was more slightly more compassionate towards his men. Although I haven't finished it just yet. I just like the idea of him being the "master chief" of Umbrella.

Compassionate might be pushing it, but he was far less sociopathic - covering for a team mate who made a massive, if legitimate, mistake when apprehending Birkin, and demonstrating that his "your survival is your responsibility, not mine" mindset is applied just as equally to himself as anyone else. Took the edge off him slightly, but also went a long way to justifying why other operatives respect him; it always bugged me a little bit that team mates fawned over someone who would quite happily leave you out to dry.

That said, he's still voiced by Keith Silverstein and I cannot help but think of the fucking cloud district whenever he talks.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Looks kind of like Nikolai.


I'm glad they didn't go with the Fog or Hookman stuff. Too much like Silent Hill and just didn't feel right to me.

I hope they never get it into their heads to remake Haunting Grounds. You know it would be censored to shit and all the characters would become one-dimensional caricatures. Oh, and Fiona would be a former green beret or some dumb shit in order to make her more tough.

From what I recall, ever since RE7 they've been soft retconning the series. REmake 2 and 3 are considered the nu-canon.

This makes sense because 6's story is so retarded it's best to ignore it ever happened, which is what Capcom seems to be doing.

But if this is a new canon why not make a game to fill the gap left by 5 and 6 or at least 6? They could have their cake and eat it too, remake 4 as it was, then make an all new game about Leon and Chris teaming up to take down Spencer and Wesker for good, I mean if it really is a new canon that's a golden opportunity.

I know 8 has a couple of references to 5, like "boulder punching asshole" and referencing Spencer finding the Progenitor virus in Africa, but you could still say "he found the virus in Africa" as part of the lore but not have a game set there and at some point just have Chris punch the fuck out of a boulder again.

At the very least since 6 is still a numbered entry and 7 is not "6 but for real this time" so it feels like a bit like cheating, the names implies 6 is still vaguely canon, it should be addressed directly with an all new story filling it's place.

I still wonder what a reboot of Haunting Ground would look like, but you're right that it would probably be so toned down, Daniella and her lack of a womb making her feel "incomplete" would be really politically incorrect today lol.

I'm completely okay with this. Old canon should have ended at 5.

I'm ok with it as well because the first two games are so cheesy and radically different tech wise it's hard to kind of swallow it's the same world as 7 and 8, the remakes (including REmake 1) bring it together into a more cohesive tone and style.

The trouble we run into though is when you want to take all the spinoffs into account, especially the Outbreak games, you might simply think they're non canon, but 7 has a reference to Alyssa Ashcroft, implying they are, but the way it depicts old environments of Racoon city like the underground lab and hospital clash with the remakes.

It's not like the Outbreak games are crucial to the overall storyline or anything but as a fan of those games it's sad to think of them rendered non-canon, but I guess you can say the scenarios that are unique are still canon (I want to say there's a reference to the Racoon city zoo in RE2 Remake) and the ones that revisit old locales aren't.

What seem to be safe are the Revelations games, there's some references to 5 but nothing that ties it in with 6 as far as I know and they're supposed to be making a third game.

I'm mixed on it. It wouldn't be too hard to soft or even outright retcon a good chunk of 6's canon, and 7 does give the series a new path to go down, but they've already gone back to some of the old bullshit that made the later games dopey. REmake 2 and 3 weren't too bad though story-wise though so I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they handle the eventual remake of 4.

Personally, I don't have high hopes.

One thing I dislike about RE is the lore is so convoluted now given the sheer amount of spinoffs and mainline games, I miss when things were cleaner and neater, I can't believe crucial elements of the lore were relegated to stuff like the Wii light gun shooter games for example, just dumb.

It's best at this point to separate it into 2 canons, the "classic" canon which in my opinion ends continuity wise with Code Veronica, we just never got to see the final showdown with Umbrella and Wesker, Capcom decided to pull a Kojima and leave it to our imaginations lol.

Or at the very least the classic canon ends with 5, as X Pac Heat.

Now we have the new canon started by 7, which includes all the remakes, including the upcoming 4 remake, RE0 (I just like to think it's still canon given the HD re-release, I don't remember if the story contradicts anything, but I don't think it does at least not in a major way) and potentially the Revelations games and 5 and wherever the series goes from here, either way in both canons 6 is not canon lol, I just wish the storyline in 6 wasn't so retarded, the gameplay is a mixed bag but I'd be willing to forgive it if the story just wasn't so dumb, because there are some cool ideas, it was cool to have a game with both Leon and Chris in it (and have them meet for the first time) and grown up Sherry was cool, but all that stuff about Neo Umbrella and The Family was just ugggggh.

 

[X Pac Heat]

I know 8 has a couple of references to 5, like "boulder punching asshole" and referencing Spencer finding the Progenitor virus in Africa, but you could still say "he found the virus in Africa" as part of the lore but not have a game set there and at some point just have Chris punch the fuck out of a boulder again.

Wasn't finding the virus in Africa actually established in REmake or Zero?

And Capcom doesn't care about Outbreak enough to worry about her name being used as an Easter Egg makes it contradict anything. To them, it's simply a wink and a nod not anything that establishes hard canon or inaccuracies because "hey, she could just also exist in the REmake verse."

I'd bet good money Capcom isn't as interested in any of this as fans are. It's kind of a situation of "just believe whatever the fuck you want is canon, it's all make believe anyways just give us money" territory.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Wasn't finding the virus in Africa actually established in REmake or Zero?

Nope, REmake and Zero didn't go into it specifically, what was supposed to happen is the original version of 4 would have gone into it and and the Progenitor virus would have been found in an ancient mummy in the caves underneath Spencer castle in Europe.

To some degree it makes more sense to say it was discovered in Africa given the history of real life viruses in Africa and real life meddling of pharmaceutical companies in the region, but I still wish we got 4's original story.

Basically, the tragically late Noboru Sugimura, who I feel is a real unsung hero of the series, who came on board with Resident Evil 2, later wrote Code Veronica and also wrote Haunting Ground before passing away in 2005, was originally tasked with writing 4, Shinji Mikami then scrapped it and went "whatever" and gave us a game about Spanish midgets and parasites, clearly caring more about the gameplay than the story, even though we had been waiting years for the final showdown with Umbrella and Wesker

 

[Coldgrip]

But if this is a new canon why not make a game to fill the gap left by 5 and 6 or at least 6?

Because Capcom has this nasty habit of screwing the pooch.

...it was cool to have a game with both Leon and Chris in it (and have them meet for the first time)...

In CV Claire mentions that she'll send an e-mail to Leon who'll get in touch with Chris. I think it's implied that over the course of the series they've met before.

Wasn't finding the virus in Africa actually established in REmake or Zero?

CV I think.

 

[Michael Wade]

I'm mixed on it. It wouldn't be too hard to soft or even outright retcon a good chunk of 6's canon, and 7 does give the series a new path to go down, but they've already gone back to some of the old bullshit that made the later games dopey. REmake 2 and 3 weren't too bad though story-wise though so I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they handle the eventual remake of 4.

Personally, I don't have high hopes.

A RE4 remake is completely unnecessary, unless they have really batshit idea for how to change things up. If they change the setting, enemy's, characters and just go full nu timeline im all for it. if its just a less campy reskin it would be pointless cash grab.

Compassionate might be pushing it, but he was far less sociopathic - covering for a team mate who made a massive, if legitimate, mistake when apprehending Birkin, and demonstrating that his "your survival is your responsibility, not mine" mindset is applied just as equally to himself as anyone else. Took the edge off him slightly, but also went a long way to justifying why other operatives respect him; it always bugged me a little bit that team mates fawned over someone who would quite happily leave you out to dry.

That said, he's still voiced by Keith Silverstein and I cannot help but think of the fucking cloud district whenever he talks.

I love keith. He's always great as a bad guy and im impressed they've always kept him as the voice of hunk, a relatively minor role for so long.

 

[Coldgrip]

A RE4 remake is completely unnecessary, unless they have really batshit idea for how to change things up. If they change the setting, enemy's, characters and just go full nu timeline im all for it. if its just a less campy reskin it would be pointless cash grab.

Gameplay-wise, there's not much you can do. Perhaps an option to move and shoot, slightly rebalancing the guns... Replacing the enemies and characters just doesn't sound good to me.

 

[Michael Wade]

Gameplay-wise, there's not much you can do. Perhaps an option to move and shoot, slightly rebalancing the guns... Replacing the enemies and characters just doesn't sound good to me.

I dont really know if it's plot could be done otherwise. I mean they could keep some characters here and there, but if I dont want to play same game that's less campy awesome and more grimdark horor unless they got a really cool new gimmick. It vaguely reminds me of how COD tried to put in old characters in the reboot of modern warfare and it felt so tacky.

As for gameplay, I just want the same deal as before, but with aimed movement and more ways to dodge and attack like say RE3.

 

[Coldgrip]

I dont really know if it's plot could be done otherwise. I mean they could keep some characters here and there, but if I dont want to play same game that's less campy awesome and more grimdark horor unless they got a really cool new gimmick. It vaguely reminds me of how COD tried to put in old characters in the reboot of modern warfare and it felt so tacky.

As for gameplay, I just want the same deal as before, but with aimed movement and more ways to dodge and attack like say RE3.

I wouldn't mind grimdark, but I'd want them to mostly keep the character's personalities intact. Weird contrast I know, but I think it could work.

 

[Dom Cruise]

A RE4 remake is completely unnecessary, unless they have really batshit idea for how to change things up. If they change the setting, enemy's, characters and just go full nu timeline im all for it. if its just a less campy reskin it would be pointless cash grab.

They've re released RE4 so many times a straight up remake does seem pointless, it'd be much more interesting if it was a new story full on nu timeline style, closer to what we originally would have got.

However they could also have their cake and eat it too, have it be both a straight up remake of the original game in one mode and an all new story in another mode, like two games in one, that'd probably be too much work though.

 

[Captain Syrup]

4 is one of those rare titles where you keep discovering new strats decades later.

Late to the party, but I recently discovered Carci's channel. Binge-watching his challenge runs. He blocks Ganado with swinging doors, he creates choke points and blows them all up with dynamite, he cheeses insects before they can cheese him, he kills campers before they aggro....all while continually bitching about how buggy it is. 10/10.

 

[Dom Cruise]

4 is one of those rare titles where you keep discovering new strats decades later.

Late to the party, but I recently discovered Carci's channel. Binge-watching his challenge runs. He blocks Ganado with swinging doors, he creates choke points and blows them all up with a Dynamite Ganado, he kills campers before they aggro....all while continually bitching about how buggy it is. 10/10.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Wx3GfmPWS5s

As a game, RE4 is a classic, it's just that the story is kind of dumb.

I'm not going to be heartbroken if the RE4 remake is just the same old game with better graphics, but it does seem like an opportunity to do something more with it.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

I'm mixed on it. It wouldn't be too hard to soft or even outright retcon a good chunk of 6's canon, and 7 does give the series a new path to go down, but they've already gone back to some of the old bullshit that made the later games dopey. REmake 2 and 3 weren't too bad though story-wise though so I guess we'll just have to wait and see how they handle the eventual remake of 4.

Personally, I don't have high hopes.

Doesn’t help that 4 is probably the game in the series least in need of a remake, especially when the entire industry learned the wrong lessons from it for over a decade.

 

[Kurtis Trent]

Remakes aren't the new canon, they're retellings more like Chronicles were (at least for now).
Revelations is a much better follow up to RE3 and is seriously underrated. Showing how Umbrella's downfall led to resurgence of bioterrorism felt more logical to the series than generic evil aristocrats and brain dead cultists. I actually enjoyed the political spergings between FBC and BSAA more than whatever the plot 5 was supposed to have. Yeah, 6 was a trainwreck but only because 5 jumped the shark already. Progenitor coming flowers was dumb bullshit, Wesker became a stupid generic "destroy the world" villain with a gay fetish for Chris instead of the calculating mastermind behind the scenes, Jill got ruined to the point they don't know wtf to do with her anymore (as long as that woke actress who wanted to include the lines about "mansplaining" is involved, Jill is dead to me), Spencer got WASTED after years of build-up and they could have at least brought him back in Village but we got Miranda shit instead.
Maybe this franchise overstayed its welcome and they should have wrapped up the story with the Raccoon City destruction, but comparing to other longrunning franchises RE does a better job keeping itself relevant. Silent Hill, that already had awful combat (yes, ALL of them, not just 4. Try playing 3 on hard with Possessed ending with no bonus weapons just to see how retarded the gameplay really is), committed suicide after the westerners took over because they tried to copy RE4's action formula and failed miserably.