[Resolved] Domain Registrar & Epik's Seizure

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Should we sue Epik LLC?

  • Yes, I'll chip in.

    Votes: 1,709 55.2%
  • Yes, but I'm broke.

    Votes: 1,220 39.4%
  • No.

    Votes: 79 2.6%
  • No, but I'll chip in regardless.

    Votes: 86 2.8%

  • Total voters
    3,094
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Pardon my stupidity, just checking - I would send a money order to the PO box?


EDIT never mind, I'm a fucking retard
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Honestly Josh, I don't think it's a matter of wanting to do this more so it's a matter of it needs to happen. The shit that is allowed to happen to KF is not just an issue with the farms. This an issue that if not cracked down on soon will be the death of the internet as a whole. You absolutely need to seek litigation. I don't have much but I believe in this enough that I'm willing to give you a portion of my paycheck every week if this lawsuit stands even a chance of preserving the internet which is being broken apart by the seams every day.
 
As much as I'd love to see it happen, I doubt the Farms will win. They just have to find something that looks like CP while emphasizing that Kiwifarms is a suicide harassment murder forum where Nazis go to plan hate crimes ran by pedophile cyberterrorist Josh Moon (just like Wikipedia and the media says). Put that before a jury and they win. Put that before half the leftist judges in this country and guess who they'll side with. And that's before potential lawyer fucks up like Ty Beard or the lawyer in the Billy Mitchell lawsuit.

The justice system in this country is basically dead.
 
Epik LLC has made two claims on X :
1) They were forced to put a clientHold on kiwifarms.net by Law Enforcement, which we evaded by moving the domain out of the country.
2) That the Kiwi Farms "hosts child porn".

These are both false, and these are both instances of actionable per se defamation. The damage of these claims is inherent in the claim and they are already being parroted by adversaries for the purposes of trying to further erode our ability to find stability and sure footing on the Internet.

Epik is a Wyoming LLC, X is a California LLC, and Kiwi Farms is a West Virginia LLC. To pursue this, I would have to find a lawyer in one of these jurisdictions. I don't know any.

Taking a case to trial is at least $75,000. However, they would be able to pay because they are a big company, and this would be an amazing step for being able to show providers: Yes, we are legal, and yes, we are taking steps to remedy actionable defamation to the contrary.

I've put up a poll. I am already dealing with litigation and saving money for another case. Would the community itself actually want to finance litigation?


Edit: I will find a way to get fiat working so you don't need crypto, but special crypto wallets can also be set up.
go for it
 
Something about their responses to null just seem off to me.
It's 100% par-for-the-course in cancel culture. Once someone is persona non grata, nothing is beyond reproach in riling up the mob. Guy who manages social media for Epik is a brain-rot Twitter zoomer who found a way to get paid for browsing Twitter all day, not a lawyer and is gonna get fired for getting the company in trouble and go straight back to Twitter to complain they got fired for "doing the right thing".
Expect only more of this as hyper-political babies who have never been told no even once in their lives continue to enter the workforce.
In the event of an award which exceeds costs and fees, can we expect reimbursement
Honestly kill yourself today.
 
These people literally do not see me as a human being and believe that any and all actions against us are justifiable and without repercussion.
Sometimes the most obvious option is the likely answer. It's just disgusting to me that they'd be so brazen about it.

As insulting as it is to us, this is a good thing. The best foe is one who's sloppy because they underestimate your ability to fight back.
 
What are the chances that the kiwifarms could even get a fair hearing when lying about the site has always just been seen as permissible? I'm not a mutt so I only see the American justice system from the outside and sometimes I'm incredibly impressed with how fair and open it is and other times I'm just baffled.
If the lawsuit goes thru, this is the turning point, more or less: Either other sites start fighting these grifters or Kiwi Farms gets even more heat thrown onto them and it's open season on anyone who doesn't march to the beat of the troons.
Either way, this will send a precedent over the coming years. If the canary is going to croak in the coal mine, at least it won't be quiet about it.
 
Sounds like a pretty good way to lose 75 grand if they can just drop the case by saying "my twanny frens say it aaaaaaall the twme, how cwould I know it wasn't twooo"?
Has this ever happened ever that a lie was repeated so often that it was excusable for people to repeat it later down the line? Did the case fall through already due to lack of past suits over such claims? Surely the law wouldn't require you to sue every troon that breathes the same phrase that a larger corpo then says out in the open. Maybe I'm being optimistic here but I don't think you have to crack down on prior instances of defamatory statements to still be able to act on a new arrival. Right?
 
The total retard war first lawsuit will break the Internet. Makes sense to start defending your livelihood a little more Josh. Good test on if the community really can support you in this way as well.

Keep in mind the new owners likely had to reach out to many investors to get the funding for the takeover, and the absolute last thing they would ever want is to be embroiled into a a no-win lawsuit caused by the employees being retarded months into the new gig. They want return on investment, not whatever the fuck they are finding out they just bought.

Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Then, like a rat, they stop in fear and freeze. -Mike Tyson
 
It's just some millennial Junior Social Media Manager who overdosed on muh irony. Corporations have been doing this shit for at least a decade now, it makes them "relatable" to retards.

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This goes far beyond le ebin meme posting twitter accounts. It's alleging a former client hosts child porn and also insists you helped transfer a child porn website to a new domain. So not only have they now opened Epik up to a lawsuit from Null for defamation, they've also managed to make Epik look bad.

If this goes to court, I'll be scanning the Sideshows thread for this person's gofundme crying about how KiwiFarms has lost them their job and made them at risk of homelessness. Because you know that this combination of irresponsible unprofessionalism, faux-girlbossing, wildly overconfident feeling they're fireproof and lazy recycled clapbacks ("freeze peach") is absolutely going to be either a geriatric Millenial in programmer socks or a theybie.

Also I'm definitely willing to contribute money as long as it's through a route that can't be traced back to me.
 
Something about their responses to null just seem off to me. No self respecting company would outright make posts saying they lied about something so heinous like it's such a tee-hee funny gotcha moment
...unless they were anime posting troons who think they can get away with going mask off because they suffered no real consequences in their lives so far, see
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is behind these retarded posts on Epik's twitter.
 
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