[Resolved] Domain Registrar & Epik's Seizure

[afounder]

Sorry I should be clearer.

Nulls interpretation is that the initial tweet was a claim by Epik that Law enforcement required Epik to put a clientHold on the domain.

My interpretation is that the initial tweet was a poorly worded claim by Epik that they did not sieze the domain because they were required to help switch the domain by "U.S authorities".

While inaccurate to my knowledge, the latter interpretation is not defamatory. The Epik X account's sarcastic shitposting has made their position even less clear.

The problem is that this is an official account that represents Epik.com (Epik, LLC) as a company and not just some shitposting account with 2 followers.

It is reasonable to expect that information regarding an action taken against a customer to come from this account to at least be accurate. Even if they're just shitposting, they made libelous claims about something that doesn't exist on this site and the account still represents the company.

They should have perhaps gotten their story correct and consulted with their legal department before blabbing off about any situation regarding a customer or actions towards a customer.

I'm not a lawyer, but yeah.

 

[Cheeseknife]

Would the community itself actually want to finance litigation?

If Biden's economy wasn't constantly shoving dirt down my throat, I would definitely.

 

[Space Pope]

i'm trying to be optimistic but what if they try pulling up loli hentai as the basis for their claim?

A transgender anime profile xitter user setting federal precedent that loli is legally indistinguishable from real CP would be the twitter equivalent of 9/11 and make an entire swathe of the tech sector vulnerable to mass reporting/firing.

Of course the troon is a loli defending pedo.

Links: N / A

(I'm having trouble archiving but I think that worked)

 

[FiveStarAce]

I don't see anything good comming from this

 

[Big Ouncerton]

Would the community itself actually want to finance litigation?

Duh

I don't see anything good comming from this

And it will be pointless. Just a waste of money and it will cause the Biden administration to change the laws, not in a way Jersh dreams about because he still clings onto naïve dreams.

 

[YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG]

The problem is that this is an official account that represents Epik.com (Epik, LLC) as a company and not just some shitposting account with 2 followers.

It is reasonable to expect that information regarding an action taken against a customer to come from this account to at least be accurate. Even if they're just shitposting, they made libelous claims about something that doesn't exist on this site and the account still represents the company.

They should have perhaps gotten their story correct and consulted with their legal department before blabbing off about any situation regarding a customer or actions towards a customer.

I'm not a lawyer, but yeah.

To be fair, there was a sitting president who did similar to what Epik did from the years 2016-2020; however we see how that turned out for him in this, the year of our lord 2024; so honestly, let us see where this all goes.

Taking bets on the fight between
"Online Gossip Forum that laughs at retards vs Retarded Company that hosts actual Neo Nazi Websites"

 

[make_it_so]

lol is KiwiFarms about to become a case-law study?

We're in Clown World - anything is possible.

 

[DragoonSierra]

These bold lies by companies like Cloudflare and Epik are part of the ball which keeps rolling and allowing LFJ to have the clout he does. Service providers backing out is an immediate consequence of Matthew Prince and Epik lying.

I would make getting to who emailed the abuse department and got the site taken down a goal of the lawsuit and part of any settlement. You can have a crack at them afterward.

 

[PlugsPugs]

These things are usually handled with hashes produced from the images me thinks, nobody wants or should touch, see or link that shit in its "normal" visible format, blurred or not.

I'm no legal expert, or tech guru, but I have a feeling more than just a hash value would be required. If that's all it takes, then here's a photo of my dog - C2D468F01A. No one can prove it's not my dog in a swimming pool, because all you need is a hash, right?

Anyway, back on topic - Total victory is ours, we need only claim it. Let us march to the enemy stronghold and raise our flag. Let us plant our crops on the ashes that were their cities. We shall erase them from history, and our victory will be complete.

 

[mugsy]

KF going from years of playing defense in court, to playing offense in court against a major company is not something I would have ever expected to see. I thought DKF was supposed to sink this ship but it just looks like it's more resilient than ever now.

 

[Hal]

Kinochet being a absolute faggot in the replies, whats new?

 

[Kosher Dill]

I have zero confidence in the legal system to properly handle even the most cut-and-dried textbook defamation case if it happened on the Internet. But if Null and/or his lawyers think it'd be money well spent to try bringing this suit, I'm in.

 

[SanicBlackMagic]

These people literally do not see me as a human being and believe that any and all actions against us are justifiable and without repercussion.

"On all levels except physical, I am a Null!"

Thats what you get for having a dog avatar, ya fukken furry bastard.

 

[nya002]

I would love to watch that blazing fire.

I'll be the devil's advocate:

1) the seizure was either requested by authorities or it wasn't. The statement "we closed the website because the authorities asked for it", even if false, is not especially defamatory by itself. Would this claim make actually fewer people look at the website?

2) bearing in mind that loli is already illegal in many countries, the claim that kf hosts "child porn", if there is loli on the forum, can have its meaning twisted enough to be true.

Reverse example: a 50-y.o. man has sex in Greece with a Greek 14-y.o. girl. You would probably say he is a paedo based on your conception of US law even if the act is legal in Greece and he is not legally a paedo there. The psychiatric definition of a paedophile is someone who likes children who have not attained puberty.

Epik can say that the loli pictures may be legal in the US but are punished as child porn in many countries.

 

[Big Ouncerton]

I have zero confidence in the legal system to properly handle even the most cut-and-dried textbook defamation case if it happened on the Internet.

Nothing will come out of it. Just with the AoG. I'm not saying it shouldn't be tried, Jewsh should definitely try and the community should definitely help, but it's pointless. Justice is a myth and companies bend laws to their will.

 

[Sexy Senior Citizen]

Sorry I should be clearer.

Nulls interpretation is that the initial tweet was a claim by Epik that Law enforcement required Epik to put a clientHold on the domain.

My interpretation is that the initial tweet was a poorly worded claim by Epik that they did not sieze the domain because they were required to help switch the domain by "U.S authorities".

While inaccurate to my knowledge, the latter interpretation is not defamatory. The Epik X account's sarcastic shitposting has made their position even less clear.

Calling someone a pedophile, criminal, or child sex crime criminal is defamation per se. I do not have to prove damages.

 

[Doctor John B. Zyklon]

Is that really their account? Because holy shit.

 

[EyeGuy]

"Do you want Total Retard War?! Do you want it, if necessary, more total and radical than anything that we can yet today even conceive?!"

 

[Noxe]

Do it, and while you're at it get those pedophiles vito, and britbong too.

 

[Not a bee]

If its not crypto or money order I can donate for sure