Return of the Draft Megathread - There's a shitstorm a brewin'.

[victor lasagna]

I just have a hard time seeing it. The entire empire functions on a simple predicate: we let the government spend indefinite money and resources on super retarded foreign adventures, and in return most of us have no actual skin in the game of empire building. At the point they start drafting middle class kids for retarded adventures, that entire detente is over.

If people think Vietnam's war protests was bad, that was a 85%+ white country with a ton of accumulated social capital along with social, cultural and religious cohesion. The draft "worked" for a time in Vietnam because of patriotism and social pressure, not because they threatened everyone with imprisonment. They imprisoned almost nobody. Imagine the freakout that would occur in a county with none of the soft features that encourage people to comply.

I guess we will find out if our ruling class is insane or not. If they institute a draft, they are nuts and want to speedrun the French or Russian revolutions. The current program of enriching General Dynamics and Raytheon and then getting bribes in return seems to be working out pretty good, why upset that apple cart?

 

[Wodanaz]

They wont put you in prison. They'll ship you out but as a laborer who does all the least enviable work, and they'll make a point of making sure all the real troops know who you are and why you're there.

And what? Just whip you to do the work like an Egyptian? Threaten to shoot you? lol

 

[The best and greatest]

And what? Just whip you to do the work like an Egyptian? Threaten to shoot you? lol

You should look up what happened to conscientious objectors during WW2, therein lies your answer. They don't need to imprison you, just put you to work in some base somewhere and let the soldiers abuse you for being a draft dodger

 

[Wodanaz]

You should look up what happened to conscientious objectors during WW2, therein lies your answer. They don't need to imprison you, just put you to work in some base somewhere and let the soldiers abuse you for being a draft dodger

during world war 2, not during current year filled with cell phones and viral internet videos

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

If people think Vietnam's war protests was bad, that was a 85%+ white country with a ton of accumulated social capital along with social, cultural and religious cohesion. The draft "worked" for a time in Vietnam because of patriotism and social pressure, not because they threatened everyone with imprisonment. They imprisoned almost nobody. Imagine the freakout that would occur in a county with none of the soft features that encourage people to comply.

Uhh the patriotism and social pressure is still there, 99% of normal people don't care about culture wars, the internet isn't real life, go touch grass.

 

[warhammerautist]

In late June I predicted a Trump assassination was needed to save Zelensky. The red flags are everywhere even if I was in his shoes I would be extra paranoid with secret service nagging them about buildings getting checked for every rally I would go to.

Biden cabinet is filled with jews, Ambassador Nuland is Ukrainian jew, Ukraine's top government positions are jews, Ukrainian jew congress woman was the one that pushed the raise the draft age bill. I mean the signs were all there that someone would go after your head. Not only that you fuck up Zelensky's in his own words another Israel plan and by doing that Russia would grab Ukraine a large land with resources to gain slow ascension to superpower status with China whom are both going after africa. Large population with whites/asians with better living standards eventually will always dominate over a large population of brown dominated countries in statistics regarding academics and knowledge. This would also mean Europe and countries like Taiwan, Japan and South Korea will have to eventually face the reality where they can no longer be guaranteed protection from the US that it would be better off building relations with the two major superpowers instead. Even I know well enough that someone would go after my head if I stopped funding Ukraine to speed up the process of destroying the current world order to a multipolar world.

I don't think they will make another assassination attempt like a plane crash because assuming they did his VP shares the same views he does whom more than likely will choose a VP that shares his views. Hard to steal the elections considering how extremely unpopular Biden is and how much they hyped up Trump trying to jail him and trying to assassinate him like he cant be stopped. If Biden did win no American will believe in elections which is probably what the government wants to avoid because the popularity between the 2 is just that vast. So the only option I see next is somehow starting an event in Europe that will obviously get blamed on Russia before Trump enters office in January 20 that will lead western countries to WW3.

 

[Mega Black]

Within five years we will be at war with Iran and our youth will be forced to die for Jewish interests.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

during world war 2, not during current year filled with cell phones and viral internet videos

Your assumption seems to be that the niggercattle will side with the underdog.

I mean, it's bound to happen eventually right?

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Drafted soldiers are shit soldiers. They'll offer huge enlistment bonuses before they try a draft. If that happens and no one signs up, THEN the draft might be a thing.

Yep. The threat of prison isn't as big of a deterrent anymore and bus tickets to Canada or a plane ticket anywhere else is a LOT cheaper than it was in the late 1960s/early 1970s

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

Your assumption seems to be that the niggercattle will side with the underdog.

I mean, it's bound to happen eventually right?

The niggercattle burned entire cities down over a fent head getting an OD while being detained by police, I’m not sure why you think they would certainly side with the government just because it’s an MP instead of a regular cop

 

[JosephStalin]

If the military wasn't so 'woke' they'd have enough volunteers. The 'Emma of the two mothers' ad really fucked the Army, in my opinion.

Emma could barely walk up the hill in street clothes, much less in combat uniform and equipment. John from the farm, Lamar from the block, and Hector from the barrio could take that hill but see no reason to enlist.

A draft would primarily go to fill vacancies in the infantry/military police. In contrast to Vietnam, you may well see a lot of parents at a minimum not opposing their son's dodging the draft. At that time draft dodgers were looked down upon. This time few will care. People will say, "The gays/troons/etc. wanted in the Army so badly? Good! Let them go fight, then, and leave our sons out of it."

And it's more than just the increasing number of such people in the Army. Pay isn't what it should be for those at the sharp ens of the spear and in many places the dormitories for these young men are in bad shape. So why join an Army that pays poorly, treats you like a little kid, and makes you live in substandard housing? You also see stories about bad housing in the Navy and Marine Corps. Haven't seen anything about bad housing in the AF, but the AF won't need to draft.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

The niggercattle burned entire cities down over a fent head getting an OD while being detained by police, I’m not sure why you think they would certainly side with the government just because it’s an MP instead of a regular cop

I'm not sure why you think it takes individual courage to be part of a mob. Indeed, mob mentality is exactly what *prevents* soldier uprisings. People generally go with the flow. The odd ODD type who stands up gets knocked down, and the rest cower.

Incidentally, this also is why those riots exclusively happened in places where the government was actively encouraging them. It doesn't take that many police to shut down a riot, if they know what they're doing. Maybe one percent need to be arrested, and these are conveniently usually in front. The rest scatter.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

I'm not sure why you think it takes individual courage to be part of a mob. Indeed, mob mentality is exactly what *prevents* soldier uprisings. People generally go with the flow. The odd ODD type who stands up gets knocked down, and the rest cower.

Incidentally, this also is why those riots exclusively happened in places where the government was actively encouraging them. It doesn't take that many police to shut down a riot, if they know what they're doing. Maybe one percent need to be arrested, and these are conveniently usually in front. The rest scatter.

I never said it does take courage although it takes either courage or a low enough IQ to not care. Also your point is less strong if you are talking about actual soldiers rebelling. Mostly unarmed civilians that have fairly good chances of not being caught can be broken up easily. Armed individuals with even a modicum of training that know it’s a treason charge if they are caught are far more difficult to subdue

 

[TJT]

Thanks to the Baby Boomer generation the idea of Civic Service is dead. Doornail dead.

They successfully made draft dodging into a righteous action rather than a shameful one. This really needs to be put into perspective for people. Vietnam was nearly a smaller conflict overall than Korea and Korea is almost forgotten these days. Even though the death rate in Korea was many times that of Vietnam. ~40k American soldiers died in barely 3 years in Korea. Its proximity to WW2 aside.

After the Boomer generation successfully lobbied that Vietnam draft dodgers will pillars of morality and pardoned by the Carter administration this solidified forever that draft dodging is a good thing and to be respected. In order for a draft to work people have to truly believe that the country is worth serving to the death. We don't have that anymore. Not by a long shot. This has been propagated across the West as we have simply given up on the idea of national identity and unity.

Keep in mind the Boomers did this despite mechanisms for not serving in battle already existed in the form of Conscientious Objector. However that had the pesky requirement of having to prove it to our authorities. Which was simply too annoying for the Boomer generation.

No politician is going to touch it as the second you propose a draft your enemies will attack you for it and you lose your next election.

 

[Cirrhosis_of_Liver]

I never said it does take courage although it takes either courage or a low enough IQ to not care. Also your point is less strong if you are talking about actual soldiers rebelling. Mostly unarmed civilians that have fairly good chances of not being caught can be broken up easily. Armed individuals with even a modicum of training that know it’s a treason charge if they are caught are far more difficult to subdue

It's not treason to disobey orders, or even to desert. What are you nattering on about?

I haven't the time or the inclination to pick back through this mouldy old thread. Are yoh saying that a draft can't be enforced because "the people wouldn't stand for it?" If so, I snort derisively at you.

If you're saying something else, I'll hear you out.

 

[TJT]

There absolutely needs to be a willingness to comply to being drafted.

In WW1 and WW2 and even Korea and Vietnam (to a lesser degree by Vietnam) you would be shamed by your mom, your girlfriend, your friends and so on if you just refused service. We have fostered the opposite for the past 60 or so years.

If the call to banners was ever made your social circle would be like 50/50 at best telling you to draft dodge vs serving. It won't end well.

 

[Azure05]

 

[Absolutego]

Instituting a draft for any foreign misadventures would more likely break the country than be effective.
The only way a draft will work is if American territory (actually American, not one of our client states who hoover up all our DoD budget, and even then it'd probably have to be the lower 48 ) was directly threatened. No other way. Not after the War on Terror.

 

[Squishie PP]

I can't quote you for some reason @George Lucas but I had no idea what I expected from Redditors.
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This is why the pooner trend is being pushed by the way. Men don't want to fight anymore since the government basically treats us like cattle, so they are keeping women on steroids as a fallback option.

 

[highly regarded 420]

Make draft mandatory for women and watch that birthrate SOAR