Rick and Morty

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I knew I'm not the only one who thought so. Seriously, I actually liked S3, Beth & Rick make the best team. As shown by this episode & the first half of S3. Other characters don't feel that bad either.

Until Jerry fucked it up. His very existence, ruined everything & this episode just shows it.

The problem is without Jerry around the show basically devolved into "How great Rick is and Beth is just like him so she is great too." One of the major problems the show has is that the only thing that keeps Rick from being a stupid Mary-Sue tier Dan Harmon Power Fantasy is that for all his intelligence, all his great "SCIENCE" tm, all his stupid chest beating monkey bullshit is that He isn't happy..but Jerry the lazy, dim-witted dumbfuck actually is in comparison.

Harmon is just a fucking hack and decided to shit on Jerry at every opportunity and make him a pathetic wus instead of a normal guy.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I'm surprised anyone defends Jerry. Like, I'm pretty sure he's SUPPOSED to be hated. Specifically 4chan (if they're unironically liking him) cause I'm pretty sure 4chan called out people like Jerry.

I feel like the older seasons called him out a bit. In fact, him surrendering in S2 does show that he took responsibility for once about his actions & how his family suffered cause of him.

About the Jerry part, see that's the thing, S3 did remove him from the Sanchez family. Beth divorced him, she actually became a fun character for a while, Jerry got a new home & a hot warrior alien GF.

Until, the 2nd half of S3 kicked in. As I said before, the 2nd part of S3 ruined everything.

Beth basically devolves as a character & Jerry gets even more pathetic considering that :

Both Jerry & his GF, basically used each other to jealous their loved ones, with Jerry physically suffering more due to being a pathetic human

When Jerry realizes that his situation is happening again, He can't even get a Deja Vu w/o the story telling him that STFU & take this Deus Ex Machina we gave you

Rick doing a favor for Jerry by killing the murderous BF of his Hot Warrior Alien EX-GF, but then literally cucks him by fucking her

I do see people saying that female writers have started the ruination. But Harmon is definitely to blame for it.

Jerry's only offense as a character is that he's an every man & not a tumblrspecial SuperWhoLock literal galaxy brain like Rick and every decision he makes is wrong no matter which one he makes specifically because he is Jerry. He is the show's punching bag and the only reason for that is he is the show's punching bag. Honestly, any wrongdoing he's ever made is utterly completely overshadowed by the rest of his family. Beth is a sociopath, Morty is a simp, Summer is a vitriolic cunt with a superiority complex & then there's Rick, who is a self aggrandizing, manipulative, megalomaniacal, alcoholic.

 

[Shokew]

Jerry's only offense as a character is that he's an every man & not a tumblrspecial SuperWhoLock literal galaxy brain like Rick and every decision he makes is wrong no matter which one he makes specifically because he is Jerry. He is the show's punching bag and the only reason for that is he is the show's punching bag. Honestly, any wrongdoing he's ever made is utterly completely overshadowed by the rest of his family. Beth is a sociopath, Morty is a simp, Summer is a vitriolic cunt with a superiority complex & then there's Rick, who is a self aggrandizing, manipulative, megalomaniacal, alcoholic.

When you put it that way, this show sucks equally so like the one about the gay space rocks, except somewhat worse. That's not a comparison I wanted to willingly make, either.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

When you put it that way, this show sucks equally so like the one about the gay space rocks, except somewhat worse. That's not a comparison I wanted to willingly make, either.

When you think about it, Rick and Morty is just the antithesis of Futurama.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Jerry's a total missed opportunity if you ask me. If you go back to the first couple of episodes, he actually had some form of authority over Rick, to the point he comes close to kicking him out of the house in the first episode. I think that could have made for an interesting little dynamic, with Rick having to butt heads with Jerry or risk getting the boot. Instead Jerry became more of a doormat as the series progressed. Not to mention the show kinda forgot that Beth and Jerry are way happier together compared to the other universes where they're more successful but also unhappy. It's like the show is deliberately unwriting its foundations just so it can continue to make fun of Jerry and provide an easily-conquerable obstacle for Rick.

 

[GhostButt]

The shows biggest sin since returning is that it just isn't very funny anymore.

It's family guy for redditors now

"haha brian is an asshole" "haha rick is an asshole"

While the humor veered too far into child molestation for my taste, Justin's flair really kept the atheism balanced with actual humor.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

I know I'm super late by now... but that train episode was really bad. My least favorite episode by far.

The premise was flawed from the start. I know it feels special making a "meta episode".... but aren't all episodes Meta , already? Every single episode this season has had Rick (Harmon by proxy atually) complaining about a movie or trope he doesn't like or Rick being aware he is a cartoon character.

As for them abandoning the evil Morty plot, Rick's past and all the other popular fan theories well...I think it's would be fair to tell fans not to get too excited about it if the show is just trying to be a random comedy.

... Except that they were the ones hyping those plots in the first place. It's like following a mystery novel, following all the clues, and then at the end the detective goes like: Sike! Nothing matter, aren't you stupid for caring for solving the mystery?

Even as someone that likes Harmon's story circle (which is really Campbell's just adapted for scripts), it felt as huge ego stroking episode.

I give Harmon credit for making the Heroe's Journey digestible, but he only did just that an adaptation. To make a whole episode bragging about how smart he is for it, was too narcisistic for my tastes.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

I mean, for the first three seasons, it looked like there was some kind of a long game story arc plan going on. We had random episodes thrown in, like The Inter-dimensional Cable episodes, but it felt like there were storylines woven in to keep us guessing how everything would play out.

We had Evil Morty taking over the Citadel, Tammy and Phoenix Person still out there despite the crumbling of the Federation, the mystery of whether or not Beth is a clone, Beth/Jerry's marital issues, and Morty's growth during his adventures with Rick.

And none of that....NONE OF THAT has evolved at all this season. It just feels like most episodes in Season 4 were either retreads of plots and/or ideas of previous episodes, or even worse, down right obnoxious garbage (The Heist and Story-Train episodes are the two worst episodes of the series to me, and they both happened this season).

... Except that they were the ones hyping those plots in the first place. It's like following a mystery novel, following all the clues, and then at the end the detective goes like: Sike! Nothing matter, aren't you stupid for caring for solving the mystery?

Total sidebar, but I'm a Sherlock Holmes nut, and if Doyle ever wrote a story with a solution to the case that followed no connection to what I read prior to the reveal, it would have driven me insane. If nothing in story matters, then why the fuck am I reading this shit? Why not just skip to the end and be done with it?

 

[CakeCutey]

Have they done anything with Evil Morty or Tammy yet?
It's like they vanished out of existence.
Also, I think recall some fans trying to justify abandoning those plotlines by saying "The show is supposed to be taking the piss out of the viewers". I honestly hope the writers don't actually have this mindset.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Have they done anything with Evil Morty or Tammy yet?
It's like they vanished out of existence.
Also, I think recall some fans trying to justify abandoning those plotlines by saying "The show is supposed to be taking the piss out of the viewers". I honestly hope the writers don't actually have this mindset.

At this point, after the story train episode, I think it's safe to say that those plotlines more than likely won't be expanded upon any time soon unfortunately.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

... Except that they were the ones hyping those plots in the first place. It would be like reading a mystery novel, following all the clues, making theories, and then at the end the detective goes like: Sike! Nothing matters in life. Aren't you stupid for caring about solving the mystery and wanting answers?

This reminds me of Umineko When They Cry last chapter. But Umineko had actually likable characters and the chapter still basically confirms a theory about the truth as canon.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Sorry for the double post but I want to expand on Umineko. The game is one the best examples of a meta-narrative in fiction and I can point to few reasons why it works while Rick and Morty Dan Harmon fails:

1. Umineko announces its rules. Whether it's the red/blue truth or the Knox rules of detective stories, what is allowed and not allowed is established. Meanwhile Dan Harmon just uses over-exaggerated tropes as the rules of a fictional world even if they don't necessarily apply (needing an Ocean 11 twist) or already been subverted to hell (superhero films).
2. Umineko looks at the story from several angles. Umineko's world can be seen as a board game that in each iteration has its pieces shuffled together, resulting in characters that act differently but are still the same mentality, allowing the games to look at the plot in several ways over dozens of hours. Dan Harmon tries to do a single hot take on a genre in 20 minutes. It's the difference between a thesis and a tweeter shitpost.
3. Umineko gives the reader a reason to care about the characters through emotional connection, so that despite the meta narrative we still feel bad when people die. Dan Harmon characters are progressively unlikable and none of the new characters have time to have the audience connect to them.
4. Umineko knows how to make violence work by describing it a nauseating detail and have the characters act realistically to it, so when shit goes south you remember it. Meanwhile in Rick and Morty the violence is cartoonish and overblown and nobody reacts to it like non-sochiopathic people.
5. Finally and most importantly, you can feel that Umineko's writer loves the genre it does a meta-narrative on and knows it inside and out. Dan Harmon's meta narrative comes from a view point of a middle-school nerd who thinks he is above the genre he imagines he meta-narrates on and has also never really investigated that genre besides Hollywood films and internet memes.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

Holy Shit that was a good episode

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

I don't get this show. This entire season was nothing but trite shit the whole way through and yet somehow, somehow, they managed to actually follow through on what they set up last season with Tammy, Bird-Person, the Beth clone theory, and so much more at the very end. How, after all that shit, did they actually pull off a good season finale?

EDIT: Also how in the FUCK was Evil Morty able to not only reform, but then subsequently take over, the Galactic Federation that fast? I know he has the power of several thousand Ricks at his disposal, but like...how exactly did the escalation happen?

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I don't get this show. This entire season was nothing but trite shit the whole way through and yet somehow, somehow, they managed to actually follow through on what they set up last season with Tammy, Bird-Person, the Beth clone theory, and so much more at the very end. How, after all that shit, did they actually pull off a good season finale?

Also HOW IN THE FUCK DID EVIL MORTY REFORM AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TAKE OVER THE GALACTIC FEDERATION SO FAST!?

Well now I have to see it.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

I don't get this show. This entire season was nothing but trite shit the whole way through and yet somehow, somehow, they managed to actually follow through on what they set up last season with Tammy, Bird-Person, the Beth clone theory, and so much more at the very end. How, after all that shit, did they actually pull off a good season finale?

Also how in the FUCK was Evil Morty able to not only reform, but then subsequently take over, the Galactic Federation that fast?

Sounds to me as though they only had enough plot for one whole episode and decided to save that plot for the season finale while the rest of the episodes were shat out to justify having a full season.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

Well now I have to see it.

Spoiler: Pretty Big Spoiler for the Episode

Space Beth is every bit the badass character I wanted her to be, and I'm SO glad both Beths survived in the end so we get to hopefully see more of them.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

So the finale was actually good?

K, I'll have to check that out tomorrow.

EDIT: Saw it, and it was the best episode of the season by a mile. It felt like actual thought went into it and most of the jokes worked! For 22 minutes, I forgot how ho-hum Season 4 has been. The worst part was the post credit stinger, and I can live with that.

 

[Jormungand]

It's kinda funny that out of all the episodes in season 4, the finale turns out to be something worth watching.
Though I guess it helps by the fact they made the effort to follow through two of their storylines and pull an interesting twist on the Beth clone theory.

 

[murdered meat bag]

I don't get this show. This entire season was nothing but trite shit the whole way through and yet somehow, somehow, they managed to actually follow through on what they set up last season with Tammy, Bird-Person, the Beth clone theory, and so much more at the very end. How, after all that shit, did they actually pull off a good season finale?

EDIT: Also how in the FUCK was Evil Morty able to not only reform, but then subsequently take over, the Galactic Federation that fast? I know he has the power of several thousand Ricks at his disposal, but like...how exactly did the escalation happen?

I said it earlier but i didn't get the "we're dropping evil morty and tammy storylines" kvetching here from the train episode.