Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

[proteus4994]

fftopic: Not a fan of Biden (surprise, surprise), however I felt enormous sympathy for him when he displayed the single most human moment in that entire rotten campaign:

I don't care what side of the political aisle you sit on, "Oh god..." is always the correct response to someone bringing up Anthony Weiner.

 

[RockVolnutt]

And this is what Bob was defending? Superheroes bitching about how those evil mysoginerds aren't buying Marvel's comics?

Since I'm going to assume he doesn't have any investment in the source material with how he talks about the comics, it's more like he's annoyed these concepts failed in the pages thus the MCU will never have a "diverse" cast of representation if it even lasts that long. It doesn't matter that all these new characters sound like the same hipster teen and are replacing characters that already have fans. Eventually they'll be likable like Luke Cage. He conveniently leaves out how Luke is pretty much the only character at Marvel born out of the same fad to still be around unlike other attempts like Black Goliath. This is likely the fate of most new characters with only a few like Ms. Marvel having any popularity to survive on.

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Spoiler: Bonus look at nu-Marvel

 

[Mola Ram]

It's also hilarious considering Bobby here sees him as kind of a patch job and a lesser choice for his autismal ideal future for some stupid reason. I guess being the lowest paid senator for a good while, connecting with the people he represented (hell, I got to see him and met with his son) and actually taking the train to work like a plebe offended this fat NEET elitist.

Bob is atrociously ignorant of actual politics, which makes his nasty judgmental demeanor all the more loathsome. Anyone who can't nut up and admit the Democrats nominated a trainwreck, or at least admit the possibility that a whole lot of people saw this as a lesser-of-two-evils election (and I honestly can't say which is the lesser, even if I hated Hillary like poison) isn't a serious political observer by any stretch of the imagination. He thinks he's this enlightened forecaster of a utopian future; in reality he's just a blathering shill no different from any partisan who reflexively pulls the same lever every two years no matter what names are on it.

 

[proteus4994]

Since I'm going to assume he doesn't have any investment in the source material with how he talks about the comics, it's more like he's annoyed these concepts failed in the pages thus the MCU will never have a "diverse" cast of representation if it even lasts that long.

Has he not noticed that we're getting a Black Panther movie despite NOBODY asking for a Black Panther movie?

Although nobody asked for a Guardians of the Galaxy movie either, so I'm not going to assume Black Panther will be shitty until I get more details. But frankly I'm expecting racial pandering in the BP movie.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Everett Ross isn't a villain in Black Panther stories unless this is some weird reimagining where he's a supervillain for some reason. Not to be rude but it helps to understand the source material before you turn into Bob.

 

[Mola Ram]

Although nobody asked for a Guardians of the Galaxy movie either, so I'm not going to assume Black Panther will be shitty until I get more details. But frankly I'm expecting racial pandering in the BP movie.

I'll be okay with it as long as they avoid the ban on mixed relationships that saw T'Challa married to Storm, despite the latter having been in a relationship with Forge for, like, decades. :autism::autism::autism:

 

[proteus4994]

Everett Ross isn't a villain in Black Panther stories unless this is some weird reimagining where he's a supervillain for some reason. Not to be rude but it helps to understand the source material before you turn into Bob.

Yeah, I fucked up, I assumed the white guy was the villain.

It turns out it's the OTHER white guy that's the villain.

 

[Adamska]

Yeah, I fucked up, I assumed the white guy was the villain.

It turns out it's the OTHER white guy that's the villain.

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Well, Klaw's origins were pretty white supremacist-ish, since he was the son of a Nazi war criminal and all. He actually does fit as a good foe for the movie, since he's basically the Joe Chill for Black Panther; he killed his father over some vibranium to use for his sound experiments.

Bob wouldn't know any of this though, since he thinks that he's above those comic nerds and gamers who like to play FPS games and anything more modern than 16bit.

 

[proteus4994]

He actually does fit as a good foe for the movie, since he's basically the Joe Chill for Black Panther; he killed his father over some vibranium to use for his sound experiments.

Yeah, looking at it some more, it looks like they're not going full "evil white people", but it's going to be the typical royalty betrayal story, with Klaw probably providing assistance to Michael Jordan's character who's trying to overthrow T'Challa.

Although now I'm wondering if it would be better to have "evil white people" versus a royalty betrayal story that we've all seen like a million fucking times by now.

Edit: Also I'm sorry for the Black Panther derail, I don't even like the character that much, I was a Fantastic Four guy (don't get me started on those fucking movies).

 

[Mola Ram]

Yeah, looking at it some more, it looks like they're not going full "evil white people", but it's going to be the typical royalty betrayal story, with Klaw probably providing assistance to Michael Jordan's character who's trying to overthrow T'Challa.

Although now I'm wondering if it would be better to have "evil white people" versus a royalty betrayal story that we've all seen like a million fucking times by now.

As entertaining as the Marvel movies are, I don't think anyone would accuse the majority of them from laboring under a surfeit of originality. It's one of the things that makes Bob's pose as a cultural critic so laughable: he's putting himself on a pedestal for analyzing the cinematic equivalent of cotton candy.

 

[Lensherr]

Regardless of how it turns out, there's going to be a shit ton of racial autism surrounding the BP movie from both SJWs and the alt-right.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Why does every cow take up the representation argument? Sure, I might agree with you on not making everything as white/straight/male as possible but I've never encountered a healthy person who's self-esteem is based on fictional characters who vaguely share physical traits to themselves and it seems like a bad thing to teach kids. They also seem to ignore the lack of diversity like with these replacements at Marvel who all talk like the same hipster girl.

Regardless of how it turns out, there's going to be a shit ton of racial autism surrounding the BP movie from both SJWs and the alt-right.

I want people to make We Wuz Kangz memes about that story where he fights the KKK. That would make the movie worth it for me.

 

[proteus4994]

The only racial thing that has ever kinda annoyed me was X-Men Apocalypse, where they cast vaguely ethnic Olivia Munn as extremely Asian Betsy Braddock, but they cast some Asian girl as barely Asian Jubilation Lee. Maybe you guys could have reversed those? Or better yet, not cast Munn at all?

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Interestingly, Marvel themselves are acknowledging that diversity wasn't a good idea. The retailers themselves told them they weren't selling because the fans, you know, the people that actually buy comics, weren't interested because they want good comics, not this diversity shit.

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/mar...sity-female-led-comics-responsible-for-slump/

 

[Pointless Pedant]

The only racial thing that has ever kinda annoyed me was X-Men Apocalypse, where they cast vaguely ethnic Olivia Munn as extremely Asian Betsy Braddock, but they cast some Asian girl as barely Asian Jubilation Lee. Maybe you guys could have reversed those? Or better yet, not cast Munn at all?

Since when are white Americans not an ethnic group, or several?

The ethnic tensions which tore apart the Austro-Hungarian Empire were between groups of people who'd all be dismissed as dang dirty white males by the politically correct.

 

[Jack Awful]

Does Bob not want blue collar people to have jobs or something?

Only if they support Trump.
Gotta start the master race somehow.

Interestingly, Marvel themselves are acknowledging that diversity wasn't a good idea. The retailers themselves told them they weren't selling because the fans, you know, the people that actually buy comics, weren't interested because they want good comics, not this diversity shit.

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/mar...sity-female-led-comics-responsible-for-slump/

It aint even diversity or politics that turns people off.
X-Men is diverse and has political themes (it's based on the civil rights movement), but people love it.
It's when it's awkwardly shoehorned in, like when a character wears an "ask me about my feminist agenda" shirt, when Wonder Woman complains about "mansplaining", and when an ancient Norse God has "unsolicited opinions on Israel".

 

[Absolutego]

Yeah, political overtones are fine in comics when they aren't written by hacks. J.R.R. Tolkein had a great take on this when criticizing people who claimed the Lord of the Rings was an allegory for WWII:

"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history -- true or feigned -- with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author."

 

[proteus4994]

It aint even diversity or politics that turns people off.
X-Men is diverse and has political themes (it's based on the civil rights movement), but people love it.
It's when it's awkwardly shoehorned in, like when a character wears an "ask me about my feminist agenda" shirt, when Wonder Woman complains about "mansplaining", and when an ancient Norse God has "unsolicited opinions on Israel".

I agree with this more than a simple agree tag can express. This is spot-on accurate. The X-Men has always been an EXTREMELY thin allegory for racism, and nobody has ever complained because it's done well. If Magneto was trending #MutantLivesMatter on Twitter, I don't think people would be as enthusiastic about it, and that's more or less how hamfisted the social justice stuff has been in the other comics that haven't been selling well.

Muslim Ms. Marvel is fine. So is female Thor. The issue is that Marvel is hiring hacks to write these comics.

 

[AnOminous]

Muslim Ms. Marvel is fine. So is female Thor. The issue is that Marvel is hiring hacks to write these comics.

The problem isn't either of these things, it's the idiotic idea that diversity is some kind of substitute for quality. All these comics have been such abject shitty garbage that when you first show them to people, they are unable to believe it isn't some kind of fucked up parody.

"Put a tranny in it" isn't good writing, or writing at all.

 

[proteus4994]

The problem isn't either of these things, it's the idiotic idea that diversity is some kind of substitute for quality. All these comics have been such abject shitty garbage that when you first show them to people, they are unable to believe it isn't some kind of fucked up parody.

"Put a tranny in it" isn't good writing, or writing at all.

I guess what I'm saying is that "Tony Stark goes into coma, young girl becomes new Iron Man" isn't much different than, say, the Knightfall storyline. With decent writing, you could make it work. But Marvel really didn't make it work at all, because they hired shit writers.