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Ah... RPG.net. Never interacted with them much, but the horrific troonery and other shite that pours through every board on the site means that I never will. At the very least, the faggotry that get posted constantly gives me some great ideas for running campaigns; seriously, the fact that they regard Humanis in Shadowrun as this villain that takes top priority over all other potential issues is hilarious; can they really not separate games from real-world politics?

Edit: Here's a link to one of their forums talking about SR and Humanis. Forewarning; beware of autism. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/what-do-you-want-in-shadowrun-7e.899590/post-24479119
 
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Scream Aim Fire said:
seriously, the fact that they regard Humanis in Shadowrun as this villain that takes top priority over all other potential issues is hilarious; can they really not separate games from real-world politics?

Edit: Here's a link to one of their forums talking about SR and Humanis. Forewarning; beware of autism. https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/what-do-you-want-in-shadowrun-7e.899590/post-24479119
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Humanis' stance even actually makes a good degree of sense within the Shadowrun universe, as there are undisputed biological differences between the meta races.

Even a weak troll has the strength to rip off the head of the average human pedestrian, while suffering from stunted IQ and emotional intelligence.
The same is true for orcs to a lesser extent.
It's as if the /pol/ memes about low IQ Africans with high time preference, low impulse control and a prospensity for physical violence had been proven as scientific fact, and we were accepting that human people wouldn't act on the information.

Elves are humans but better (extremely long-lived, more dextrous, faster, beautiful and with higher emotional intelligence), and they have created their own elf supremacist states where they have either kicked out the other races or treat them as 2nd class citizens at best. Add to that meddling by a shadowy cabal of immortal elves, and any human should be very concerned about every elf they meet and where their ultimate loyalty lies.

Dwarves are the least threatening of the meta races (slightly stronger, tougher and headstrong, but also slower, and being significantly smaller makes them even appear less threatening). Racism against them would be the least justified, but still, their are objectively proven differences to humans.

I have never played a full-blown card-carrying Humanis member (unless you count NPCs), but my human PCs tend to agree to some point to the observations of that policlub as they contain a kernel of truth within the 6th World.
 
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Kongo-Müller said:
Humanis' stance even actually makes a good degree of sense within the Shadowrun universe, as there are undisputed biological differences between the meta races.

Even a weak troll has the strength to rip off the head of the average human pedestrian, while suffering from stunted IQ and emotional intelligence.
The same is true for orcs to a lesser extent.
It's as if the /pol/ memes about low IQ Africans with high time preference, low impulse control and a prospensity for physical violence had been proven as scientific fact, and we were accepting that human people wouldn't act on the information.

Elves are humans but better (extremely long-lived, more dextrous, faster, beautiful and with higher emotional intelligence), and they have created their own elf supremacist states where they have either kicked out the other races or treat them as 2nd class citizens at best. Add to that meddling by a shadowy cabal of immortal elves, and any human should be very concerned about every elf they meet and where their ultimate loyalty lies.

Dwarves are the least threatening of the meta races (slightly stronger, tougher and headstrong, but also slower, and being significantly smaller makes them even appear less threatening). Racism against them would be the least justified, but still, their are objectively proven differences to humans.

I have never played a full-blown card-carrying Humanis member (unless you count NPCs), but my human PCs tend to agree to some point to the observations of that policlub as they contain a kernel of truth within the 6th World.
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That's kinda what gets a bit infuriating about RPG.net as a whole; they have these settings running on various shades of grey morality, and they take all of that and shit on it for their crappy narrative of "all evil people right-wing and racist and stoopid, left wing people good and pure!!!1!". They have the mentality of fucking children; hell, I've seen literal children with stronger worldviews than these idiotic clowns. At least children don't make game mods that have "heroes" talking about "being better than the breeders" or acting like baseline humanity going extinct within a century to be something that people should just accept and get used to...
 
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I didn't notice this before because the pbp forum is usually pretty sedate, but mods have essentially soft banned Old Gods of Appalachia, a recent rpg based on a horror/folklore podcast.
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Basically it's cheating to try and sidestep racism accusations by setting your game in an alternate Appalachia where there weren't any Indian tribes living there because that's erasure don't you know.

The poster who got the whole thing shut down was some euro who didn't know that "injun" was a no-no word when referring to POCs (people of casinos).
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Oh please, are they really gonna try to sell me on RPGnet having a sizable userbase of honest injuns? Chief Mouthwash and Pokeahotass don't waste their time with playing pretend that they're in a barren dystopia or medieval peasants, they live that shit already. The only place they throw dice at is the casino.

That Old Gods of Appalachia game sounds interesting, gotta look into that.
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The real crime is back-talking a mod. And since it's a female mod, that makes the offender a misogynistic GamerGator, so he has to be cancelled reconsidering his posting style.
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It's a troon though, right?
 
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Oh please, are they really gonna try to sell me on RPGnet having a sizable userbase of honest injuns? Chief Mouthwash and Pokeahotass don't waste their time with playing pretend that they're in a barren dystopia or medieval peasants, they live that shit already. The only place they throw dice at is the casino.

That Old Gods of Appalachia game sounds interesting, gotta look into that.

It's a troon though, right?
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Given the amount of Hollywood Native crap I've seen from wokies, I imagine that the site has more "transracial" freaks than they do of actual Native American people.

That, and you're probably right about the mod being a troon; seems like everyone wants to chop their dick off so they can get oppression points these days... As long as they can try to stick it to the "oppressive white man" and their "evil Christian overlords", then the fags will never stop trying to control everything.

Going back to Shadowrun, briefly - sorry for dragging this off-topic again - I can't help but find it bizzare how RPG.net's users all seem to be focusing on fighting Humanis, specifically. I mean, yeah, they're kinda a recurring strawman in Shadowrun-verse - there's an entire chapter in Dragonfall dedicated to you barging into a Humanis site, complete with cartoonishly childish propaganda, leaving extremely valuable and sensitive information wide out in the open completely unguarded, and the actual Humanis members all coming across as caricatures - but there are certainly other targets that the wokies haven't really gone after, for some reason.

For instance, there's the "Conservative" faction of the Vatican, led by the New Society of Jesuits; an ultra-religious cell that preaches hate against metahumans and magic in general. You figure that they would be a massive target for the wokies to start taking potshots at, but I don't think I've even seen them do much, if anything, with any of that. Seriously, given the logic that these faggots spew, you'd figure there'd be a campaign or two dedicated to playing as a Tir na nOg elf or Aztecology member killing Christians in the name of "glorious equality"; I've seen some talking about how the Great Ghost Dance was justifiable, since it's obviously about an Indian killing "evil white police officers" - though not many, fortunately.
 
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Okay, so one, the humanis are adorable toddlers compared to the various world-ending threats rolling around in Shadowrun. Mexico being ruled by the insane former drug cartels who have nationalized blood sacrifice as their official state religion is, all on its own, vastly a bigger deal than some racists hanging out in the warehouse down the street. The humanis people can be dangerous on a local scale in the same sense that any gang can be, but that's it. And two, the Great Ghost Dance set off volcanoes across the US and destroyed at least one city full of civilians. The Alamos 20,000 terrorist group takes its name from the estimated 20,000 people who died in Los Alamos when the Ghost Dance set off the volcano next door, and that's just one of the several volcanoes they set off. The death toll from their attack was enormous.
 
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robobobo said:
Okay, so one, the humanis are adorable toddlers compared to the various world-ending threats rolling around in Shadowrun. Mexico being ruled by the insane former drug cartels who have nationalized blood sacrifice as their official state religion is, all on its own, vastly a bigger deal than some racists hanging out in the warehouse down the street. The humanis people can be dangerous on a local scale in the same sense that any gang can be, but that's it. And two, the Great Ghost Dance set off volcanoes across the US and destroyed at least one city full of civilians. The Alamos 20,000 terrorist group takes its name from the estimated 20,000 people who died in Los Alamos when the Ghost Dance set off the volcano next door, and that's just one of the several volcanoes they set off. The death toll from their attack was enormous.
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That's the wokies for you. They really do believe that their political crap is more important than anything else; just look at some of the recent polls. You can see that the wokies put crap like racism, troonery, and abortion rights over issues like poor economy, gang violence, and high gas prices.
 
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Never played tabletop Shadowrun but I always imagined there should have been greater animosity towards the NA tribes who kicked off the Great Ghost Dance. Guess it's just a core setting conceit? And just more racism in general, especially if you want to lean noir instead of action.
 
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Okay, so one, the humanis are adorable toddlers compared to the various world-ending threats rolling around in Shadowrun. Mexico being ruled by the insane former drug cartels who have nationalized blood sacrifice as their official state religion is, all on its own, vastly a bigger deal than some racists hanging out in the warehouse down the street. The humanis people can be dangerous on a local scale in the same sense that any gang can be, but that's it. And two, the Great Ghost Dance set off volcanoes across the US and destroyed at least one city full of civilians. The Alamos 20,000 terrorist group takes its name from the estimated 20,000 people who died in Los Alamos when the Ghost Dance set off the volcano next door, and that's just one of the several volcanoes they set off. The death toll from their attack was enormous.
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Oh, but it gets worse, robohobo.

The Great Ghost Dance had repercussions far beyond the merely political and environmental. The use of that much mana, that fast, caused a 'spike', and came close to bringing the Horrors (from Earthdawn) to the Sixth World far earlier than expected. It would've been a full on apocalypse, and it was only delayed by the events in the Harlequin adventures as well as by Dunkelzahn's death. They're still out there, wanting to invade.

Humanis is ground-level trash, sure, but compared to some of the serious threats in SR, they're nothing.
 
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Hugbox Kommissar said:
Never played tabletop Shadowrun but I always imagined there should have been greater animosity towards the NA tribes who kicked off the Great Ghost Dance. Guess it's just a core setting conceit? And just more racism in general, especially if you want to lean noir instead of action.
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The NAN basically became a nuclear superpower overnight after they blew the western US the fuck up. I'm sure there is a goodly amount of animosity towards them from the people living in North America, but the governments are too leery of their magical power to pick a fight. I suspect that FASA was disinclined to explicitly write in their setting that an obvious Indian wandering into a US city was likely to wind up skinned by furious residents, so anti-Indian sentiments were never written in any of the books that I recall. Nor any current-day racism for that matter; anti-metahuman racism seems to have supplanted it. Which, I dunno. Metahumanity hasn't supplanted modern races, there's black elves and eskimo orcs and whatever. Ethnic differences may be less pronounced than turning into a troll, but I suspect that people in 2070 won't be overlooking ethnicity as completely as the books imply.
 
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robobobo said:
Okay, so one, the humanis are adorable toddlers compared to the various world-ending threats rolling around in Shadowrun. Mexico being ruled by the insane former drug cartels who have nationalized blood sacrifice as their official state religion is, all on its own, vastly a bigger deal than some racists hanging out in the warehouse down the street. The humanis people can be dangerous on a local scale in the same sense that any gang can be, but that's it. And two, the Great Ghost Dance set off volcanoes across the US and destroyed at least one city full of civilians. The Alamos 20,000 terrorist group takes its name from the estimated 20,000 people who died in Los Alamos when the Ghost Dance set off the volcano next door, and that's just one of the several volcanoes they set off. The death toll from their attack was enormous.
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Thanks for making that post, i wanted to say something similar about how Humanis are being bit-players at best in the setting but i didn't feel qualified as i never have played a session and only know the lore from the novels and vidya (and some from the Shadowhelix). Aztechnology were the first big bads that came to my mind, too.
God, i love the worldbuilding in that game pre-Matrix Collapse and the whole Otaku shit.
 
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Believe it or not, there was once a time when you could have fun on that site without endless handwringing over what's problematic or catching bans for not agreeing in the right way.
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I have a hard time believing it because I vaguely remember looking for a place that wasn't /v/ to discuss rpgs maybe ten years ago, stumbling upon rpg.net, looking at 1-2 threads and thinking "fags" before going on to find rpgcodex.
 
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Scream Aim Fire said:
the fact that they regard Humanis in Shadowrun as this villain that takes top priority over all other potential issues is hilarious; can they really not separate games from real-world politics?
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Last time I played Shadowrun, everyone was being very kumbaya and acting all united against the Evil Corps (which, fair enough most of the time) and Evil Racists. Even though one of the characters was a racist/speciesist troll who called humans round-ears, among other things, that was all OK because there were conservatives out there.

The amount of butthurt generated when it turned out I was playing an undercover cop with entirely my own agenda was impressive; most of the players were cool with it, but there was some trouble, and one made sure to tell me that if I was playing a villain it was my job to 'play to lose' so everyone else could have fun, and that by creating my character I was immoral. Not my character, but me.

I've found that's one of the biggest problems with these rpgnet-types, and I would definitely class the guy who tried to lecture me about morality because he couldn't admit he was upset that he didn't get his way as one of those types. If there's differing opinions, fine - there's a certain 'go along to get along' necessary for any roleplaying group. But alongside the narcissism, the inability to see fiction without using the lens of their Current Year politics, and the many ways their juvenile mindset manifests, is that inability to accept differing opinions; wrong-think and wrong-play must be eliminated, no quarter given.

So, no, they really can't separate games from real-world politics. This whole thread is filled with examples of just how unable to play pretend this forum devoted to playing pretend is. Which is pretty good for us, because that's hilariously stupid.
 
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Last time I played Shadowrun, everyone was being very kumbaya and acting all united against the Evil Corps (which, fair enough most of the time) and Evil Racists. Even though one of the characters was a racist/speciesist troll who called humans round-ears, among other things, that was all OK because there were conservatives out there.

The amount of butthurt generated when it turned out I was playing an undercover cop with entirely my own agenda was impressive; most of the players were cool with it, but there was some trouble, and one made sure to tell me that if I was playing a villain it was my job to 'play to lose' so everyone else could have fun, and that by creating my character I was immoral. Not my character, but me.

I've found that's one of the biggest problems with these rpgnet-types, and I would definitely class the guy who tried to lecture me about morality because he couldn't admit he was upset that he didn't get his way as one of those types. If there's differing opinions, fine - there's a certain 'go along to get along' necessary for any roleplaying group. But alongside the narcissism, the inability to see fiction without using the lens of their Current Year politics, and the many ways their juvenile mindset manifests, is that inability to accept differing opinions; wrong-think and wrong-play must be eliminated, no quarter given.

So, no, they really can't separate games from real-world politics. This whole thread is filled with examples of just how unable to play pretend this forum devoted to playing pretend is. Which is pretty good for us, because that's hilariously stupid.
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I know what you mean, that's why they get so butthurt about media/entertainment, they're quixotesque in regards to how they view it. Like if you represent a racist is because you endorse it/agree with it, not because you think it'd be a fun addition the campaign. That's why you can't say orcs are dumb, have a character that's a murderer or harm/hate on other player's characters, because they have trouble distinguishing between fiction and reality. And considering their propensity for troonity you can see how fiction is their life really :story:
 
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