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RWBY/Despicable Me crossover coming soon?
RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future
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Rwby Vtubing? What?
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Dammit I just came back to this thread to see if Volune 10 was happening, not for this degeneracy.
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No confirmation as of yet, IIRC
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Do you ever think that higher ups know that RWBY isn't getting anything further and are just trying to avoid the wrath of the fans if they ever answer the question of "Is V10 haappening?" with a hard "no"?
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Why wouldn't it? That's the only one of their content that went mainstream and isn't outright hated (like Red vs Blue which they had to retcon several seasons to try fix how badly they fucked it up). Their heavy hitter (gen:LOCK, IIRC) that was supposed to get them big contracts with movie studios and the Holywood elites never went big and faded into obscurity in people's memory (doesn't help that it only has 8 episodes). Entirety of Rooster Teeth has built by Red vs Blue and RWBY, and they've massively fucked over every single fan of R vs B they could. RWBY is pretty much anything they have left, and is the only thing that got them massive contracts with places like Crunchyroll. Since gen:LOCK failed, all they've been doing is pushing RWBY.
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I get that. I'm just wondering if the reason we have things like VTuber Ruby is because they know RWBY isn't getting more volumes and RT knows they have to put out SOMETHING RWBY related in order to keep the lights on.
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How long would this last, though? RT used to understand that such things (RWBY Chibi, Vtuber Ruby (now) ) work well to fill the gap until mainline release, but this was always supposed to be just that, temporary.
Put it this way, go into any RWBY fan group. Are they talking about Vtuber Ruby? I've seen it mentioned when it was first announced, and when the Chrunchyroll collab happened, but it was only that, mentioned. And there was nothing on the other Vtuber Ruby episodes. Maybe I haven't been looking at the right groups, but if RT changes their good business strategy on this, I can't see it going down well.
Actually, here's perhaps a better example. Talk to anyone about RWBY. When do they ever mention RWBY Chibi? They probably like it, but it is just essentially non-canonical filler.
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WB recently axed the vast majority of its animated works, even stuff that was completed, in order to save money. RT is a total black mark now in terms of reputation after all the blunders that have affected the company, PR disaster after PR disaster, and Red vs. Blue has always been the other major money maker at RT and that's only getting one final season before it's killed for good.
RT is a dying brand and thus so is RWBY. If RT was still begging for a greenlight by the time of RTX then I guarantee the show is dead. There is no reason to wait this long to confirm another season is on the way if it was coming.
TLDR version : Rooster Teeth is a mix of bad PR and too little profit. WB was killing animation left and right, and I bet V9's numbers were shit because it was squirreled away on CR in hopes they'd foot the bill for another season.
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It seems like they might be trying to pull an EA where they axe a poorly performing studio and their properties without a satisfying conclusion ah la Dead Space. Wait for the anger to die down while building a loyal fan base that retains interest for a few years before rebooting/remastering the franchise by a competent team. It seems like it could be a winning move with the amount of fan content that is still regularly produced despite the last 6 lack luster seasons Ao3 & fanfiction.net still have regularly updating works so I think the fan base could survive hibernationm
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I don't doubt that RWBY will have some sort of revival down the line by some company or another, but it will be ten or so years from now and probably be on Netflix as live action starring fat black trannies.
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Speaking of the last season, Am I the only one that just can’t see why people praise Ruby‘s dealing with depression so much?
I don’t see how it was realistic at all, let alone “inspirational”. Ruby went from being sucicidal to “Sike, guess I was awesome all along” in the span of one episode. I have a hard time buying it because her problems weren’t even due to a lack of self steem.
Everyone, including grown ass adults, one literally an immortal guy, were relying on her despite being a kid. So I can actually buy why she was feeling that way. She was just overwhelmed by all the bad things that had happened since Volume 3, right? She lost Penny recently , and they were all so scared about Salem being unkillable etc.
Sounds to me her issues were because the situation was dire, and not because she hated herself. Those are two vastly different reasons for being depressed.
Yet, Rooster Teeth thinks someone overwhelmed by problems, think people woth debts or family issues, just needs to love themselves more?
I don’t see how it was realistic at all, let alone “inspirational”. Ruby went from being sucicidal to “Sike, guess I was awesome all along” in the span of one episode. I have a hard time buying it because her problems weren’t even due to a lack of self steem.
Everyone, including grown ass adults, one literally an immortal guy, were relying on her despite being a kid. So I can actually buy why she was feeling that way. She was just overwhelmed by all the bad things that had happened since Volume 3, right? She lost Penny recently , and they were all so scared about Salem being unkillable etc.
Sounds to me her issues were because the situation was dire, and not because she hated herself. Those are two vastly different reasons for being depressed.
Yet, Rooster Teeth thinks someone overwhelmed by problems, think people woth debts or family issues, just needs to love themselves more?
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That and because she also started doubting herself due to her many supposed failures (not all of which are entirely her fault, and she is in fucked up situation besides).
It is inspirational from the perspective that she was offered literally any life she could have ever wanted, all the happiness everything, but despite it all she chose to be herself and stick to her friends.
The method was a bit problematic, sure. It heavily relied on Summer, and I hope that like with Jaune, while their problems have "solved" themselves, that some signs still remain.
You could consider as Ruby not having solved all of her problems, but choosing instead to not give up as she was planning to. Whatever this is true, remains to be seen in Vol 10 if it ever comes out.
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The other thing I’ve heard was “if she reincarnated or whatever, then she’d just have to learn about all the stuff she already knew about Salem AGAIN. Which would be a massive waste of time from the standpoint of the audience”.
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Because she dealt with depression. It doesn't matter that it was only explored in the most superficial way, doesn't matter that it's just a repeat of her previous 'character arcs', doesn't matter that it's lazy or shallow and basically just resets her to where she already was; they had a serious subject matter happen, so clap.
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I get what you’re saying. But I think my issue is that the solution doesn’t match the problem.
Sure, I can buy a character that hates themselves so much they would rather be anyone else and have another life. But that‘s not how they showed Ruby.
Maybe I could buy it from Jaune who has always felt inferior, and like he never belonged because he cheated his way in. And he spent the latest volume moping around abound being a failure. If it had been him, it might have worked.
But Ruby? She has always loved her friends and her life since day one. I sincerely doubt she ever considered abandoning them. Or that anyone ever believed she would. Her issue was, according to the show, that two of her friends died. And that she feels extremely overwhelmed because she is in a dire and impossible situation.
If we are generous perhaps she felt like she was not up to the challenge. Which is understandable. But the idea that she hated herself so much and was tempted to become someone else instead of her is something they literally just made up very recently.
Being overwhelmed, has nothing to do with self loathing I think. Which is why I think the “Remember you were awesome all along” is a poor solution to her depression arch. Or any depression arch for that matter.
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That’s the thing they were building to since Vol 7, though, ending with her killing herself because Neo convinced her that death is the preferable alternative to all her failures and guilt (also she mentally and physically abused her). Honestly, I could see Ruby ending up like that.
The solution wasn’t to pretend she never made a mistake/failed. The solution was and is acknowledging that giving up and running away isn’t the right answer, that any problem can be worked out, and that the most important thing is our own uniqueness (the thing that has defined Remnant’s culture since the Great War)
If they don’t fuck this over in Vol 10, I could see this working.
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I‘ll admit that I’m biased given my past experiences with Rooster Teeth being terrible at storytelling. So my expectations with them are extremely low.
But, you‘ve got a point.
If that’s what they are going for in volume 10 it could work. Her acknowledging her shortcomings, and growing from them that actually could be good writing.
But given, how many woke shows have ended with, the main character just remembering they are awesome (see captain marvel and Rey) something tells me that might be giving them way too much credit.
Taken at face value it does seem like they are implying her depression was magically cured by just her remembering she is already great.
I suppose I can give them the benefit of doubt. That they are just showing she is starting to heal. And that this was just the first step. I would respect that even. But, knowing RT, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
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I could see that, sure, and it was a meme for a while. That was also a problem I had with Jaune, they had him alone for 20 years, show a side effect once, and use magic to fix everything at the end of the season, leaving ambiguous whether the change was merely cosmetic or mental as well.
And RT is no stranger to woke either, suddently straight characters turning gay/bi aside. Remember that trans character whose entire personality was “my parents misgendered me so now I am okay with killing the rich”? Credit where it’s due, in the very same episode it is implied that this character reconsidered that stance,IIRC, but never outright stated.