RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[A Very Big Fish]

On another note, speaking of Sabaton and Power Metal, besides the fact that Sabaton's style may suit RWBY better than the Williams' angst-ridden melodrama, there is a particular song that drives another nail in the coffin about how RWBY portrays soldiers - especially disabled ones.

Their latest single, "The Unkillable Soldier" actually pays respect to a ballsy soldier, Adrian Carton de Wiart, who survived getting wounded 11 times over multiple wars, and lived till he was 83. His willingness to come back to war is treated with reverence.

Compare that to Ironwood, whose commitment to fight for his people and military in spite of PTSD and injuries, and prosthetics gets him labelled as evil comparable to Darth Vader.

Sabaton's songs do better character development for literal Nazis (Hearts of Iron, No Bullets Fly) over the course of a couple minutes of a song then RWBY & FRWBY do over seasons for their heroes.

 

[Decepticon Spy]

Sabaton's songs do better character development for literal Nazis (Hearts of Iron, No Bullets Fly) over the course of a couple minutes of a song then RWBY & FRWBY do over seasons for their heroes.

Those are real people though, not fictional? It's just very confusing since 'better character development' implies that Franz Stigler and people like him are not real.

On another note, speaking of Sabaton and Power Metal, besides the fact that Sabaton's style may suit RWBY better than the Williams' angst-ridden melodrama, there is a particular song that drives another nail in the coffin about how RWBY portrays soldiers - especially disabled ones.

Their latest single, "The Unkillable Soldier" actually pays respect to a ballsy soldier, Adrian Carton de Wiart, who survived getting wounded 11 times over multiple wars, and lived till he was 83. His willingness to come back to war is treated with reverence.

Compare that to Ironwood, whose commitment to fight for his people and military in spite of PTSD and injuries, and prosthetics gets him labelled as evil comparable to Darth Vader.

Rooster Teeth and their demographic consist of people that think getting called ma'am instead of Xir/Zadam/Blahblah by a 7/11 cashier is far more traumatic than seeing your buddies and everyone around you getting gunned down by machine gun fire or reduced to ashes by artillery strikes. Don't expect them to respect the people who actually fought literal Nazis let alone acknowledge the fact that the majority of the people in the military are not crazed warmongering jingoists with an extreme case of "it's us vs them" cold war mentality.

Speaking of Ironwood, I'm sure they were going for the General Ripper trope on him but failed spectacularly on the execution. Instead of seeing a crazed General doing everything in his power and arsenal to declare war against Grimm and kill Salem, we got an incredibly reasonable and well meaning guy pushed to the brink of desperation and sanity doing what he still can to save as many people as possible while also dealing with the Herculean task of reasoning with the wandering circus freakshow called Team RWBY and friends.

 

[Rhymes 19]

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Anyone have that one Dobson comic where he just goes, “criticism doesn’t matter because the show runners are already working on the next season!” Because that’s pretty much the argument OP here is making.
For some brief context, “RWDE” is a tag on Tumblr some people use to talk about RWBY negatively, keep in mind that the community had this tag made back when the show was new so they could more easily filter out criticism.
Now the fandom doesn’t like what RWDE says and now there’s some giant Tumblr drama going on right now.

All this talk about RWBY critics being morons almost made me forget about why they exist in the first place. RWBY stans and "RWDE" are like a perfect yinyang, they can't exist without one another, an exquisite equilibrium of stupidity. RWBY is horrid, an absolute trainwreck of something that can vaguely be called writing, this is known. So when people defend it, they have to make every excuse as to why it's actually meaningful, like some sort of esoteric modernist painting us simpletons simply do not get. Because of this, they're incredibly easy to disprove (but impossible to argue with). So when someone starts criticizing RWBY, their opposition are psuedointellectuals who have never watched anything more mature than a Marvel movie.

Of course, this means basically anyone can feel equally psuedointellectual by disproving RWBY stans, even if their own media intake ceiling is also Marvel movies. They think that if they find the things wrong with RWBY, they've somehow cracked the code of writing, and are now Smart. Their standards for writing come from EFAP and EFAP accessories though, so they're not exactly experts. Regardless, others see the criticism and also believe these people are Smart.

In the end, you have two groups of immature pueri aeterni who create a feedback loop of "this is perfect, you're dumb" and "it's actually terrible, you're dumb." They can't exist without one another.

 

[I Love Beef]

Blake Belladonna:
(Thank you Rhymes for a better quality image)

This design reeks of Final Fantasy the most, this is supposed to be a guard uniform and according to Raymond was designed with practicality in mind, and I say that he and Mupa shat the bed incredibly hard in that aspect as well as implementing hints Blake's general Motif and fighting style in the outfit, There is no way that someone who's main fighting style is heavy in evasion and quick retaliation would wear this thing, it's incredibly detrimental even in simple battle maneuvers like foot work, not to mention that the enemy will take every opportunity to grab those tailcoats. This outfit is more in line to a parade garment rather than that of a proper guard uniform meant to be worn on patrol.

Man, as a Final Fantasy connoisseur, even I wouldn't go that far to disrespect Nomura, as polarizing he is. Let's take a look at a design that isn't of anything that most people know about:


I actually like how he pairs weapons and clothing together. Gandrake here has a get up from the setting he's from that fits it rather well, being a fantasy world given a boost in the arm with modernized infrastructure that is on par with the real world's. The resulting affects on attire allows them to have polyester or industrial weave levels of textiles and seamstressing, while also maintaining a fantasy feel to them. The result is a mix of modernesque designer like clothes with more antiquated senses of fashion, but which in their world is their modernesque. He has those striped puffy sleeves you'd find from Renaissance Italy or Germany, a hoodie like upper jacket, poofy samurai pants and an outer cape that gives his pants a boost.

In terms of functionality, all of those drooping clothes trade off his speed, but that's the next thing we get to: his sword. His sword is long, like at least 6 feet long, which makes up for his mobility by range. Because his sleeves aren't as hindering, his swings are emphasized to be extremely quick and accurate, which is necessary to make up for his hindrances. Even Sephiroth works this way.

Blake here tries to go for that badass longcoat look, but it does not work, at all. Her weapon and fighting style is about quick draws and being quick on her toes, but her cape is stripped to shit, which can trip her right over, and even if it wasn't, it doesn't work for her anyhow. Her high heels, also, unless her feet are naturally arched to not kill her feet, has been trained in dancing, and with those kinds of stilletos, are a bad idea for footwear for footwork. She looks like she would be a spellcaster than a sword fighter.

Nora Valkyrie:

This is not Nora, again Bayverse Transformers Design Mentality is at work here, but it's like seeing Bayverse Prime, they nailed some aspects but overall it's still not the Optimus Prime from the 80's. Yes the pink color scheme, the orange hair, and the personality emitted by poses assures you that she's Nora but it's not enough to help you to truly recognize that it's really her. Even ignoring all of that, FRWBY Nora feels like a bootleg of a certain someone in a series that Raymond oh so love to inject into his works...

I'd like this design.... if it wasn't for a pre existing character, and something else that always bothered the fuck about me about Nora was her boots. They look like clown shoes. Here, I fixed it:

Even then, I admit this needs more work on it to make it stand out. Let me dig out some other designs I can compare to:

I'll just let these speak for themselves.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Her high heels, also, unless her feet are naturally arched to not kill her feet, has been trained in dancing, and with those kinds of stilletos, are a bad idea for footwear for footwork. She looks like she would be a spellcaster than a sword fighter.

Or B. She’s a guest fighter in the next game by Netherrealm Studios.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

Or B. She’s a guest fighter in the next game by Netherrealm Studios.

Could be, but she doesn't seem mediocre enough to look like a modern NRS female.

 

[Mega Black]

So, just because something has existed for a while, it can ignore criticism? Is that still true if support for it and the amount of cash being raked in is visibly dropping as criticism and negative reviews stack up?

I mean, I can almost see the point. Yeah, why would RT change a fucking thing when success has been brought in by this formula of letting Miles and Kerry do whatever they want so far? The truth is that the critique probably won't affect anything.

The thing this faggot fails to understand is that it's still fun to rip into something for being shitty, and if nothing else critiques can serve to influence other people who might be drawn in by the show and want to make their own thing.

Compare that to Ironwood, whose commitment to fight for his people and military in spite of PTSD and injuries, and prosthetics gets him labelled as evil comparable to Darth Vader.

It will never not be funny to me that the show decided to pull an anti-militarism message out of its ass when it is in a setting that could not possibly justify having a massive army or military culture more. A chaotic evil force of nature wants to eradicate the entire planet. It can't be bargained or reasoned with, Salem has no morality to appeal to or a greater goal beyond utter destruction of all things. If ever there was a threat that would demand a full on militaristic response, that would be it. Honestly, I was kind of impressed with V7 when it looked like they were going to actually subvert my expectations by having Ironwood be... pretty much right and good, without falling into le epic genocidal general trope. I guess I really shouldn't have expected anything that clever from this show, though.

I can't wait for RWBY to beat Salem with a last minute friendship beam, because this show has to adhere to every single trope it possibly can, sensible writing be damned.

 

[TheClorax]

Alright here's my two cents on the designs proper again then.

Ruby Rose:
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Whatever was particularly good and memorable about her design besides the cape is obliterated from existence with this design. This doesn't feel like Ruby Rose, the girl that wants to become a huntsman and slay grim like her mother. If anything this make her feel like Ruby Rose, the underaged prostitute from Victorian England/Oregon Trail America. They should've opted to make her look more and more like a hunter, her design should be something like a super diet Bloodborne or Witcher character but with elements of her Fairytale motif. You know so the design actually symbolizes how she's growing up and started taking her ambition and profession more seriously. On a sidenote though, I highly doubt that they can even pull my suggestion off properly without it becoming Grimderpy.

Weiss Schnee:
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I said this with her design time and time again, how hard is it for these depraved mongoloids to grasp the concept of elegance and white? Everything wrong with Weiss' design V4 onwards has been amplified up to 11 here, the poor attempts to integrate the red in her dresses are incredibly out of place because the blue had drowned out the white, her supposed main color. There is no elegance to be found here and the main dress itself look like it was made by the lead designer of Final Fantasy because it looks bland and unremarkable without the esoteric amounts of belts. What they should've done is to improve upon her V1 outfit, even adding some influence from her alternate outfit, as the saying goes; if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Blake Belladonna:
(Thank you Rhymes for a better quality image)
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This design reeks of Final Fantasy the most, this is supposed to be a guard uniform and according to Raymond was designed with practicality in mind, and I say that he and Mupa shat the bed incredibly hard in that aspect as well as implementing hints Blake's general Motif and fighting style in the outfit, There is no way that someone who's main fighting style is heavy in evasion and quick retaliation would wear this thing, it's incredibly detrimental even in simple battle maneuvers like foot work, not to mention that the enemy will take every opportunity to grab those tailcoats. This outfit is more in line to a parade garment rather than that of a proper guard uniform meant to be worn on patrol.

as a comparison, here is the standard uniform of the Swiss guard:
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Simple, Noticeable, and let's the wearer fight without detriment. This getup is also literally very easy to translate into the rule of cool too. If they really want to stick with the Blake guard outfit, all they have to do is to take some influence with the layout of the attire and then mix it with a more eastern and kunoichi motif. The armor can fit in the design but it's more optional than mandatory, just make the pauldrons look a lot lighter and have the breastplate be a bit more lenient towards sexy rather than practical. Basically when it comes to her, just weeb the outfit up and help themselves with a helpful serving of rule of cool.

Yang Xiao Long:
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As I said before, V5 outfit but worse. Wanna know why Brown was not an issue with Yang's V1 design? Simple, the brown was a very light shade, she showed more skin, and the hair, the undershirt, and other details did a lot to pop out the Yellow. But Raymond and Mupa were like; naw, let's stick to biker chic, because she's the muscle and she gotta look tough. The phrase "keep it simple, stupid" just hits the nail when it comes on tackling her design but FRWBY somehow just felt the need to go overboard with unnecessary details and accessories on her design.

I'll do JNR next time since RWBY alone makes me feel physically exhausted typing. Also will probably post RWBY character redesign artfaggotry once I finally finish an unrelated drawing.

Personally the designs look fine to me. Yang's a definite improvement IMO solely on the basis that it removed the 4 different shades of brown that her Mistral Arc look was plagued with. And compared to the rest of the mistral designs these certainly look a lot simpler, but you're right that a lot of them take what I didn't like about Mistral's designs and just amped it up. Blake would have looked better without the longer coattails and huge sleaves. Seriously, why do people think Blake looks good in a coat when people unanimously loved how she looked after Adam sliced her coat off?

Could be, but she doesn't seem mediocre enough to look like a modern NRS female.

Why did people hate the MK11 designs again? I’m not even talking about the sexualisation aspect here; all their looks in and before MK9 were just lazy, shitty designs and everything after could only go up from there. The actual problem is that NRS is putting too much into the 'next gen realistic' graphics instead of the more stylized graphics and everything's suffered from it.

I suppose I'll post some RWBY redesigns. Z-Raid has some I really like, especially for the Atlas Arc designs.

And a Bonus Neo redesign.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Z-Raid knows what’s good. A lot of Atlas designs seem to really love the “long sleeves and fluffy fur finish” approach. Can’t wait to see what Mupa would do.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Those redesigns look much better than the other shit posted. They aren't perfect and could use some adjustments and polish, but the person crafting them had a clear vision in mind and actually put thought in character themes.

 

[Sup3r]

Well look where they are now, ignoring criticism and letting them do their own thing had resulted in a more autistic and divided viewerbase, years worth of consecutive controversies, and 2 parent companies that are more than willing to cut their losses and throw RT overboard. Oh and RWBY's constant drop in quality with every volume too, I guess.

Not to mention they're all but irrelevant to the wider market. When the japanese dub of the later volumes was announced, there was fuck all fanfare or attention outside of the fanatics. And all the secrecy surrounding the view counts and reception isn't giving anyone not converted no reason to consider giving it a real chance since it's the critiques that have become more relevant.

 

[HumanHive]

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Anyone have that one Dobson comic where he just goes, “criticism doesn’t matter because the show runners are already working on the next season!” Because that’s pretty much the argument OP here is making.
For some brief context, “RWDE” is a tag on Tumblr some people use to talk about RWBY negatively, keep in mind that the community had this tag made back when the show was new so they could more easily filter out criticism.
Now the fandom doesn’t like what RWDE says and now there’s some giant Tumblr drama going on right now.

I remember when RWDE was all about bitching the characters weren’t trans.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

I mean, I can almost see the point. Yeah, why would RT change a fucking thing when success has been brought in by this formula of letting Miles and Kerry do whatever they want so far? The truth is that the critique probably won't affect anything.

The thing this faggot fails to understand is that it's still fun to rip into something for being shitty, and if nothing else critiques can serve to influence other people who might be drawn in by the show and want to make their own thing.

It will never not be funny to me that the show decided to pull an anti-militarism message out of its ass when it is in a setting that could not possibly justify having a massive army or military culture more. A chaotic evil force of nature wants to eradicate the entire planet. It can't be bargained or reasoned with, Salem has no morality to appeal to or a greater goal beyond utter destruction of all things. If ever there was a threat that would demand a full on militaristic response, that would be it. Honestly, I was kind of impressed with V7 when it looked like they were going to actually subvert my expectations by having Ironwood be... pretty much right and good, without falling into le epic genocidal general trope. I guess I really shouldn't have expected anything that clever from this show, though.

I can't wait for RWBY to beat Salem with a last minute friendship beam, because this show has to adhere to every single trope it possibly can, sensible writing be damned.

They already set up the friendship beam with the "Four artifacts get together summons the Gods, the Gods judge them as good and end Salem's immortality" thing.

 

[Random Internet Person]

They already set up the friendship beam with the "Four artifacts get together summons the Gods, the Gods judge them as good and end Salem's immortality" thing.

All that's left is the maiden powers going to Team RWBY. There's a way for them to get 3 as it is already.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

All that's left is the maiden powers going to Team RWBY. There's a way for them to get 3 as it is already.

Any person that saw how it was transferable and didn't immediately conclude that at some point team RWBY will all have those powers is fucking stupid.

 

[TheClorax]

It will never not be funny to me that the show decided to pull an anti-militarism message out of its ass when it is in a setting that could not possibly justify having a massive army or military culture more. A chaotic evil force of nature wants to eradicate the entire planet. It can't be bargained or reasoned with, Salem has no morality to appeal to or a greater goal beyond utter destruction of all things. If ever there was a threat that would demand a full on militaristic response, that would be it. Honestly, I was kind of impressed with V7 when it looked like they were going to actually subvert my expectations by having Ironwood be... pretty much right and good, without falling into le epic genocidal general trope. I guess I really shouldn't have expected anything that clever from this show, though.

RWBY doesn’t really have any anti-militarism thing though. Winter’s treated like a busty girlboss in the show and the other Ace-Ops coddled Harriet (for some reason) when she was trying to nuke Mantle (even though she had no reason to do it at all) and got snapshot redeemed while Vine Aloha Snackbar’d himself.
Just because a service is needed doesn’t necessarily mean the people providing it will be good at it. We want cops to uphold laws, but that doesn’t mean they’re good. We want a government of some form to exist (unless you’re an idiot), but not a whole lot of them are too great at doing that either. RWBY doesn’t really have… anything meaningful to say about the military industrial complex. Ironwood going crazy had everything to do with Salem and the Ancient War Conspiracy and very little to do with his position (though that did make it easier).

 

[Random Internet Person]

RWBY doesn’t really have any anti-militarism thing though. Winter’s treated like a busty girlboss in the show and the other Ace-Ops coddled Harriet (for some reason) when she was trying to nuke Mantle (even though she had no reason to do it at all) and got snapshot redeemed while Vine Aloha Snackbar’d himself.
Just because a service is needed doesn’t necessarily mean the people providing it will be good at it. We want cops to uphold laws, but that doesn’t mean they’re good. We want a government of some form to exist (unless you’re an idiot), but not a whole lot of them are too great at doing that either. RWBY doesn’t really have… anything meaningful to say about the military industrial complex. Ironwood going crazy had everything to do with Salem and the Ancient War Conspiracy and very little to do with his position (though that did make it easier).

Don’t forget Marrow being the only one who has second thoughts about Ironwood declaring martial law and calling Team RWBY enemies of the state.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

Yep. Madoka is just one deconstruction of the magical girl genre. Makes you wonder what the reconstruction of the genre would look like.

At least RWBY doesn’t have anyone turning into
Satan.

Sailor Moon.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Those redesigns look much better than the other shit posted. They aren't perfect and could use some adjustments and polish, but the person crafting them had a clear vision in mind and actually put thought in character themes.

And they don't look like a pre-teen drew them like Celtic's attempts do.

 

[TheClorax]

Madoka is just one deconstruction of the magical girl genre.

Modoka didn’t really ‘deconstruct’ anything though. It just had one specific twist that people mistook for a deconstruction. The only people I ever see trying to claim PMMM is a deconstruction, ironically enough, are the people who really hate Modoka Magica.
It’s a Mahou with a twist. Same way RWBY is an amalgamation of story beats and tropes, and just because they sometimes do something different with some of those tropes and beats doesn’t inherently mean it’s being critical or making a point about it.
Deconstructions are cause/effect analysis essays translated to the fictional format, being ‘darker’ isn’t a deconstruction.