RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Tanner Glass said:
Anime isn't known for printing money and RWBY recently let slip they have 800% more production costs (or more) than ever other popular anime (MHA, DBS, OPM, etc).
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This is news to me but not that surprising in hindsight. Animes are basically done in sweatshops in Korea, china or Japan for pennies. Of course they are cheaper than the American animators they hired that of course demanded a lot more money and not being treated as slaves.

Or so that would be the only benefit of animating “In-house". And yet, RT animators still complained about crunch time, and being exploited by American standards. So obviously that wasn’t working. They were burning money for no reason. And with no real benefit.

Rooster Teeth could have literally just commissioned RWBY to an animation studio, you know, like how Warner Animation, the other WB subsidiary does, all the time? By spending far less money they would full seasons of high quality hand drawn anime, instead of their mediocre CGI by now.

Why the hell didn’t they do that?!
 
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Tanner Glass said:
RWBY licensed stuff never "took off" either (the games reviewed poorly
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I’ll have you fucking now that Grimm Eclipse was great, and is very highly rated on Steam. Arrowfell was unmitigated garbage, though, so you’re right there.
Tanner Glass said:
the manga never got ground
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There were 7 different RWBY mangas, three of which revolved around DC
Tanner Glass said:
and their merch often looks terrible and not worth buying or caring about
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They have good merch. It’s just usually that all the good stuff is layered on piles of shit that took them 3 minutes in a free online “make your tshirt” store to make
Tanner Glass said:
There may have been a time when RWBY was profitable (when costs were lower, or when audience share/interest was high
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Vol 6 seems to me where all the spending balooned, and that was at the heels of Vol 5 killing a lot of interest. That said, I feel like Vol 1-3 were the most profitable for them.
Tanner Glass said:
RoosterTeeth made a lot of mistakes with VAs
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VA’s like Barbara should have been held on a leash.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
I’ll have you fucking now that Grimm Eclipse was great, and is very highly rated on Steam. Arrowfell was unmitigated garbage, though, so you’re right there.
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It's not really about how good or bad it is, it's more about "do people give a shit about it" and "will there be enough sales to make a sequel" which feels like a large no for RWBY.

OPM had a fun game, MHA has several, and Dragon Ball has a pretty weird but iconic range of games.

Useful_Mistake said:
There were 7 different RWBY mangas, three of which revolved around DC

They have good merch. It’s just usually that all the good stuff is layered on piles of shit that took them 3 minutes in a free online “make your tshirt” store to make

Vol 6 seems to me where all the spending balooned, and that was at the heels of Vol 5 killing a lot of interest. That said, I feel like Vol 1-3 were the most profitable for them.
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Same thing with the merch and manga. Having a bunch of manga/movies/merch that people don't care about is bad for the brand. The stuff that doesn't take off still costs money even if there's a few diamonds in the rough.


Useful_Mistake said:
VA’s like Barbara should have been held on a leash.
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I think that's what the OF is for.
 
Useful_Mistake said:
I’ll have you fucking now that Grimm Eclipse was great, and is very highly rated on Steam. Arrowfell was unmitigated garbage, though, so you’re right there.

There were 7 different RWBY mangas, three of which revolved around DC

They have good merch. It’s just usually that all the good stuff is layered on piles of shit that took them 3 minutes in a free online “make your tshirt” store to make

Vol 6 seems to me where all the spending balooned, and that was at the heels of Vol 5 killing a lot of interest. That said, I feel like Vol 1-3 were the most profitable for them.

VA’s like Barbara should have been held on a leash.
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Sarcasm 101
 
RWBY didn’t need 7 mangas to be succescful. Just one. A good one.

Same for the games. I will take your word Grimm Eclipse is a good game. But I sincerely doubt people outside the Rooster teeth bubble cared about it. If it were good outside the fandom people would be talking about it like they did with Baldur’s gate.

I know some people are clinging into hope they will revive it somehow, but honestly a show that isn’t self sustaining financially deserves to die.
 
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I've been doing some thinking lately and honestly you could take RWBY as it stands today and make it into a three to four season show if you made each season 25 episodes and gave it 19 minute episodes.

>V1, V2, and V3 all can be easily condensed into a single volume

>V4, V5, and possibly V6 as well can be Volume 2

>Whatever part of V6 didn't make it into V2 gets condensed with V7 and V8 for our new Volume 3

>Volume 9 gets axed completely because why the fuck wouldn't it?

You could wrap shit up in those three volumes if you're efficient with your runtime, or you take a fourth volume for the conclusion. The single biggest issue with the show has always been its pacing.
 
Tanner Glass said:
Same thing with the merch and manga. Having a bunch of manga/movies/merch that people don't care about is bad for the brand
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I didn’t disagree with you, merely corrected you. It’s bad to have one failed manga, it’s worse to have 7 failed ones.
SherlockMexicano said:
But I sincerely doubt people outside the Rooster teeth bubble cared about it. If it were good outside the fandom people would be talking about it like they did with Baldur’s gate.
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The only popular RWBY game I can recall is Blazblue. I’ve seen it mentioned positivly outside of RT/RWBY sphere. But it’s not really a RWBY game. It’s a fighting game with diverse set of characters that just happen to include RWBY.
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
>V4, V5, and possibly V6 as well can be Volume 2
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I disagree. V4 and 5 would fit well, but Vol 6 would be best placed into V6-8.
 
Useful_Mistake said:
I disagree. V4 and 5 would fit well, but Vol 6 would be best placed into V6-8.
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V6 is weird because it takes such a harsh left turn about halfway through and the pacing is mega fucked. I honestly think that you could cut so much of V5 that you'd effectively cover it in an episode or three at most and then you'd have roughly eight to twelve episodes to devote to V6. I think it could be done. Alternatively you end your V4-V6 volume with The Apathy arc and then your new V3 picks up in Argus with Team RWBY having escaped the farm and made it to the city in between volumes, then you have Argus and the Atlas volumes as V3.
 
SherlockMexicano said:
Or so that would be the only benefit of animating “In-house". And yet, RT animators still complained about crunch time, and being exploited by American standards. So obviously that wasn’t working. They were burning money for no reason. And with no real benefit.
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What gets me is that all of the crunch and production issues seemed like a direct result of trying to go big corporate for no reason. RWBY was an independent program that RT was solely in control of. They didn't have to have super rigid production scheduling, or make every episode the same length, or have to switch to more expensive production tools and designs, they had the luxury of avoiding all that and just didn't.
SherlockMexicano said:
Same for the games. I will take your word Grimm Eclipse is a good game
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I bought the Switch version and I don't know what anybody else things but it fucking sucks. It runs like refried ass, looks terrible, has God awful voice acting, and combat that is so braindead it might as well just be one button to win.

Also the switch version added additional costumes, power armor and the V7-9 outfits but NOT the V2 outfits that are WAY better and deserve more recognition. Seriously, FUCK the awful V7-9 designs for the girls.
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
You could wrap shit up in those three volumes if you're efficient with your runtime
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I think we talked about this earlier in the thread but I'd say over half of RWBY could be cut out and you'd lose practically nothing of value. 75 percent of the show is pure filler, like literally ALL of V9.

The show should have been nearing a climax in V7 or 8 at most, but 4 - 6 are almost entirely dedicated to traveling and zero progress getting made towards reaching the overall goal of the show.
 
RoosterTeeth saw the writing on the wall by at least volume 8 and still thought "Yeah, we can afford to have an entire season of filler.", I don't think they have the capacity to write volume 10, if they even get that far, to consider budget, time and longevity restraints. All while RWBY fans will continue to insist that RT couldn't have done it any other way ("No guys, RT had to have a disjointed multi-person brawl in a giant empty room where everyone is either clearly disappearing or just standing around, they couldn't have just modified the layout to include more blocking or anything.") because if there's one thing the anime industry has taught us, it's that there's no such thing as creative work arounds to deal with limited resources.
 
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
RoosterTeeth saw the writing on the wall by at least volume 8 and still thought "Yeah, we can afford to have an entire season of filler.", I don't think they have the capacity to write volume 10, if they even get that far, to consider budget, time and longevity restraints. All while RWBY fans will continue to insist that RT couldn't have done it any other way ("No guys, RT had to have a disjointed multi-person brawl in a giant empty room where everyone is either clearly disappearing or just standing around, they couldn't have just modified the layout to include more blocking or anything.") because if there's one thing the anime industry has taught us, it's that there's no such thing as creative work arounds to deal with limited resources.
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How much are you willing to bet that the writers are "those" kinds of people?

The "philosophy" and "this is my art" kind of fucked in the head.
 
Random Internet Person said:
but I've always felt that the show has been trying for a very long time to be something more than "cute anime girls fighting monsters".
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I think while there was a noticeable change when Vol 4 came out, the problems solidified with Vol 6. Vol 4-5 can't be compared to Vol 6-9.
 
Useful_Mistake said:
The only popular RWBY game I can recall is Blazblue. I’ve seen it mentioned positivly outside of RT/RWBY sphere. But it’s not really a RWBY game. It’s a fighting game with diverse set of characters that just happen to include RWBY.
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The BlazBlue game with RWBY was a cheap cashgrab and a last fuck you to BlazBlue fans. Not only was everything that was promised about the game PR lies that'd make Todd Howard blush, the game itself is low effort (essentially a Mugen sold at full price), broken and simplified to a pathetic level. Anyone being overly positive about it is not only suspect but should have their ability to speak in public permanently revoked.
 
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