RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Random Internet Person said:
At least they're more entertaining than the actual show. Some of them are. https://twitter.com/The_RubyRose/status/1331266615816515586?s=19

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I thought that the whole point was that RWBY was meant to be a show that used its story as a vehicle to have people with unique powers get into cool fights i.e. a shonen anime. RWBY and MHA have very similar core ideas except one is executed much better. Do these retards know what they are a fan of?
 
Kingu Cinnamon said:
I thought that the whole point was that RWBY was meant to be a show that used its story as a vehicle to have people with unique powers get into cool fights i.e. a shonen anime. RWBY and MHA have very similar core ideas except one is executed much better. Do these retards know what they are a fan of?
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RWBY's first and greatest failure was that RT, and even Monty, refused to acknowledge that they were making a shounen anime. If they did not run from this fact and try to make a 'plot' like they're making now, we wouldn't be complaining.
 
Kingu Cinnamon said:
I thought that the whole point was that RWBY was meant to be a show that used its story as a vehicle to have people with unique powers get into cool fights i.e. a shonen anime. RWBY and MHA have very similar core ideas except one is executed much better. Do these retards know what they are a fan of?
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The Sauce Boss said:
RWBY's first and greatest failure was that RT, and even Monty, refused to acknowledge that they were making a shounen anime. If they did not run from this fact and try to make a 'plot' like they're making now, we wouldn't be complaining.
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You talking about the “is RWBY anime?” question that was around when the show first started? I’d say the big problem was that the show didn’t do nearly enough when it came to story and character development in the first two volumes. And the first half of volume three if you really want to drive them into the dirt.
 
Random Internet Person said:
You talking about the “is RWBY anime?” question that was around when the show first started? I’d say the big problem was that the show didn’t do nearly enough when it came to story and character development in the first two volumes. And the first half of volume three if you really want to drive them into the dirt.
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I've said in this thread before that Monty was a garbage lore writer and storyteller. No ill will to the man, it's just a fact. He was a concepts guy and a damn good animator, but his 'deep' storytelling prowess left a lot to be desired. The problem is, because of the circumstances under which he passed, and the way the fandom lionizes Monty, there wasn't a way to just 'trim the fat', they had to 'hold to Monty's Vision(tm)'. Which means taking every bit of retarded, unnecessary filler crap (I.E. the Four Maidens) and running with it.

Combine that with M and K (but ESPECIALLY K's) lackluster writing and this show was basically fucked after V1.
 
The Sauce Boss said:
I've said in this thread before that Monty was a garbage lore writer and storyteller. No ill will to the man, it's just a fact. He was a concepts guy and a damn good animator, but his 'deep' storytelling prowess left a lot to be desired. The problem is, because of the circumstances under which he passed, and the way the fandom lionizes Monty, there wasn't a way to just 'trim the fat', they had to 'hold to Monty's Vision(tm)'. Which means taking every bit of retarded, unnecessary filler crap (I.E. the Four Maidens) and running with it.

Combine that with M and K (but ESPECIALLY K's) lackluster writing and this show was basically fucked after V1.
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The funny thing is: Miles and Kerry were brought on to do the lore and the big story stuff and expand on Monty’s ideas...and connect all the fight scenes together in a coherent story. And he approached them for that endeavor instead of Shane and Sheena. Honestly, I think the death blow came when Monty died before V3 because that was the time when the ship really needed its captain.
 
Random Internet Person said:
The funny thing is: Miles and Kerry were brought on to do the lore and the big story stuff and expand on Monty’s ideas...and connect all the fight scenes together in a coherent story. And he approached them for that endeavor instead of Shane and Sheena. Honestly, I think the death blow came when Monty died before V3 because that was the time when the ship really needed its captain.
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I think that with the three of them, we would have a whole slew of storytelling problems separate from what we have now. The 'golden route' would have been RT bringing on people like Eddie and co. earlier than what they did WHILE Monty was alive, instead of trying to keep everything 'in house'. People with actual experience in writing on these types of projects. Alas, like you said, the captain goes down and the crew goes to the baseboards. We didn't get THE worst case scenario for the continued health of the show, but Kerry is almost as bad a storywriter as Monty was.
 
The Sauce Boss said:
RWBY's first and greatest failure was that RT, and even Monty, refused to acknowledge that they were making a shounen anime. If they did not run from this fact and try to make a 'plot' like they're making now, we wouldn't be complaining.
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I don't get how RT couldn't get that they were making a shonen anime. let's see:

RWBY
Takes place in or around a school: Check
All or most characters are teens or young adults: Check
Themes of friendship or comradery: Check
Characters have unique powers used during fighting: Check
The main character has a superpowerful/hidden/rare ability: Check, check and check
The main character is someone who their friends learn to look up to: Check
The main character has dreams of becoming a hero: Check
the main character has noble and selfless goals: Check
HAS A FUCKING TOURNAMENT ARC: CHECK

the only things that RWBY is missing are:
a rival dynamic ( I don't count it but you could argue Jaune vs Cardin or Ruby vs Weiss)
The characters seeking self-improvement and betterment and thus change as people.
 
The Sauce Boss said:
I think that with the three of them, we would have a whole slew of storytelling problems separate from what we have now. The 'golden route' would have been RT bringing on people like Eddie and co. earlier than what they did WHILE Monty was alive, instead of trying to keep everything 'in house'. People with actual experience in writing on these types of projects. Alas, like you said, the captain goes down and the crew goes to the baseboards. We didn't get THE worst case scenario for the continued health of the show, but Kerry is almost as bad a storywriter as Monty was.
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I’d say Miles is worse if only because he doesn’t take criticism and he actually thinks his shit doesn’t stink. Kerry, I get the impression he’s at least trying to make a good product.
 
Random Internet Person said:
I’d say Miles is worse if only because he doesn’t take criticism and he actually thinks his shit doesn’t stink. Kerry, I get the impression he’s at least trying to make a good product.
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I despise Miles as a person but he's the better writer of the two by a fair margin, at least from what I know is his work and what is solely Kerry's. As individuals and as a unit, they both suck.
 
The Sauce Boss said:
I despise Miles as a person but he's the better writer of the two by a fair margin, at least from what I know is his work and what is solely Kerry's. As individuals and as a unit, they both suck.
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From what I’ve heard of RWBY, the show, or at least RWBY in its current state, is out of his skill level, and some doubt if he has the interest to raise his game.
 
Random Internet Person said:
From what I’ve heard of RWBY, the show, or at least RWBY in its current state, is out of his skill level, and some doubt if he has the interest to raise his game.
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Supposedly he's leaving the writing team to go work on video games. I doubt he'll get any further than some indy team making a sawed-off JRPG, but you never know.
 
Random Internet Person said:
And then you got the part where people say Jaune should have just given the armor to Phyrra’s family.
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I have always found that to be a bit of a nitpick. I think the idea of Jaune incorporating Phyrra's armor into his own a nice idea that worked thematically. I don't think we needed a scene where Jaune texts "can i melt ur daughter's armor pls?" to Pyrrha's mum or having him find Phyrra's Will. It wouldn't add anything and would just bloat the story

EDIT; I'm not saying you couldn't use this to create a more interesting plot thread with Jaune, I'm just saying that the story is filled with enough filler and I don't think Miles and Kerry could pull it off, so I think it was wise of them to cut it off from the beginning and it doesn't have a negative effect on the story by it not being there.
 
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Kingu Cinnamon said:
I have always found that to be a bit of a nitpick. I think the idea of Jaune incorporating Phyrra's armor into his own a nice idea that worked thematically. I don't think we needed a scene where Jaune texts "can i melt ur daughter's armor pls?" to Pyrrha's mum or having him find Phyrra's Will. It wouldn't add anything and would just bloat the story

EDIT; I'm not saying you couldn't use this to create a more interesting plot thread with Jaune, I'm just saying that the story is filled with enough filler and I don't think Miles and Kerry could pull it off, so I think it was wise of them to cut it off from the beginning and it doesn't have a negative effect on the story by it not being there.
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I think the core issue is how the fuck did he even get the armor in the first place? Its in a giant tower in the middle of a grim infested city in a pile of her ashes. Jaune is worthless and therefore incapable of getting it himself (how the hell did he escape the drop pod in the first place anyway?) and I don't think anyone would think it important enough to take the risk.
 
Chilson said:
I think the core issue is how the fuck did he even get the armor in the first place? Its in a giant tower in the middle of a grim infested city in a pile of her ashes. Jaune is worthless and therefore incapable of getting it himself (how the hell did he escape the drop pod in the first place anyway?) and I don't think anyone would think it important enough to take the risk.
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Depends on if you ask Miles or Kerry, as TheFloofArtist found out. Yes they gave two different answers.
 
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