Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

I'm in the camp that's a little suspicious of who runs this kind of thing. And now they're some MtF too.

I don't know if they need to do anything to 230 to get the site taken down, this one might naturally implode from the inside.

I don't see the problem here. If someone is getting older and doesn't have any family obligations, then what's wrong with someone choosing to finish up once life no longer interests them?
On a personal basis: there's not really any answer to that, idk, what's the point of living to begin with? You die in the womb, you die as an old man, what's the difference in the grand scheme of things? Life can't be quantified like that, it's sort of dumb and senseless from the get-go.


On a societal basis: it's kind of the issue I see with Canada and their MAiD system, is that it codifies the idea that if your life is shit, the polite thing to do is to stop making waves and go off yourself. Once you cross that line where suicide becomes an acceptable facet of life, that has serious implications.

Of course the thing is it's not that great a departure from the attitude of modern mental health treatment, where "You're constantly unhappy, anxious, can't pay attention to anything you're doing, feel foggy distant and detached from everyone around you, and are generally exhausted at your wits end with how things are? But the system is perfect and everything is so great and if you don't also think it's amazing you must be SICK! So stop being difficult and go see a therapist/psychiatrist, so they can make you realize how the system is perfect and everything is great too!"

Except then when the doctors fail to do anything, then the bugmen can tread out some made up disorder that explains why you're miserable and can't be cured, and regurgitate some doctor speak telling you to kill yourself. And if you don't you must be ignorant or insane. Everyone knows if you have _____ the only option is [clinical sounding suicide euphemism]. That's what the doctors say!

The whole thing leads down a very dark path that is unwise to open up.

If people are regularly getting older without any family obligations to the point that there's a big demographic of people who's best and most sensible option is suicide, that's a problem for everyone.
 
I've always despised the label "promotes self harm," as if people are casually convinced to kill themselves on a whim. If you want to kill yourself, you don't need a website. If you don't want to kill yourself, reading a website won't make you. Insert Kiwi Kill Kount joke here
 
I've always despised the label "promotes self harm," as if people are casually convinced to kill themselves on a whim. If you want to kill yourself, you don't need a website. If you don't want to kill yourself, reading a website won't make you. Insert Kiwi Kill Kount joke here
Maybe if you join a site about killing yourself it's just because you're actually interested in killing yourself, not that the site sent out voodoo mind waves that forced you to think that.
 
Nice job putting together the info, OP. This is definitely worth discussing after that Tantacrul video — he has likely introduced it to a bunch of normies and emboldened the moralfags, which may or may not result in some entertaining drama. I discovered SS a few months back but now regret not signing up now that it’s been privated.

I would like to do some digging on its active users; I’m anticipating that there will be a good chunk of oldfags that are there to give back to the community, but also some truly deranged people with lolcow potential like previously-mentioned FuneralCry.

I blew snot out of my nose when I got to the bit of the angry fix26 mom going after a suicidal person of the suicidal people forum and pushed them into suicide.

This lady has a higher death count than KF
 
Imagine need a forum to figure out how to kys, meanwhile here in Canada the government is increasingly happy to do it for you lol.

Life isn't a video game that you can just drop out of.
Yes it is, thousands do that very thing every year. If someone doesn’t want to be here I’m not about to get in their way, save for maybe a family member.
 
The fuckers dont want this site shut down because it "promotes suicide".
They want it shut down because suicidal, depressed people are a black spot on their pink-tinted glasses. They want a world where only things that dont make them feel bad exist.
I bet you 100$ if you get deep inside their heads, pass the encoded morality blockers, you will see that they wont mind pouring concrete on homeless if that meant nicer streets for them.
Also making some money from "harm coverage" will be nice for them, making money of your dead relative seems like a true american passtime.
 
I've been into the forum a couple times before and i saw accounts that have years of activity posting so obviously a lot of it is just catharsis, some people need to vent, discuss their dark thoughts and get it out, its not pretty but its a niche that will always exist but now that is on the media i guess people will assume everyone is playing the whale game to make 12 yr olds commit suicide just like they think KF is planning terrorist attacks against anyone with autism.

if people are going to start moral panicking then start with Discord, reddit, Twitter, Instagram , Tik tok, etc, even cartels scout kids on fucking Fortnite, it all sounds very hipocritical. What about porn?

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Hello,

I'm one of the original founders of SS (won't mention which one) but the original OP pretty much summarizes the whole situation up very well. I have long separated myself from the community and I would like it to remain that way, but I do feel that I do need to make some clarifications:

  • The community was founded in early 2018 in the wake of the SS subreddit being from reddit. We had founded an incel forum about several months prior and came to a decision that SS was a community worth preserving and recreated it as a forum. We invited the original moderators of the subreddit to be moderators on our site and it went from there. There weren't any nefarious motives; We simply just believe that it was a topic that was worth discussing and we believe in free speech for people to be able to discuss the topic. The main motivation to create the site was to preserve this community and to allow people to talk about a taboo subject: suicide. I had struggled with suicidal ideation in the past and considered taking my own life but had decided against it. I was never fully comfortable with the subject matter, considering my struggles, but I felt that it deserved to be preserved.
  • My personal opinions on suicide doesn't really align with the forum and would actually lean towards the normal view, with some caveats. I believe that an individual should try everything in their power to make their life better before considering suicide. I do believe that opting out should be an option, but only if you have tried everything in your power to try to cope with your current problems beforehand.
  • My personal politics would right-libertarian, but I hold a very strong opinion on free speech and people being able to speak their minds. I very much support Kiwifarms, and was very saddened with what happened to KF and Keffals, lawful speech should never be censored. I emailed Null with some resources and other stuff that has helped us stay afloat in the time I ran SS.
  • I'm against minors having access to the stuff on our website, so it really does hurt to hear minors ending their lives. We had put precautions in place to prevent that, but the nature of online forums being public really makes it difficult. We had considered ID verification, but people can easily get around that too, so we left it up to a checkbox.
  • We made the mistake of talking to the media, as they twist your words endlessly and they are almost always disingenuous and will not portray you in any positive light. We learned this lesson a little too late, unfortunately.
  • Despite some of the claims going around, neither one of us has any type of involvement in SS whatsoever, and haven't for more than a year now.
If you have any other questions, I do lurk here often so just ask here or shoot me a PM.
 
I don't think the website should be taken down (it wouldn't help anyone and there's no way to do it without fucking up the rest of the internet). But I absolutely cannot understand people in this thread trying to argue for it on moral grounds, getting people to kill themselves is degenerate, and supporting that just makes you seem like you're trying to be le edgy like a 14 year old on 4chan. Especially with the "pro-choice", "you should be able to do anything you want with your body" stuff which is the same argument troons use.

That being said, there probably should be a separate accompanying mass debates thread for this kind of discussion so this one can focus on the forum itself, so far most of it is people arguing.
 
what a sad, stupid story. I can understand the objections to the site's existence, not out of any kind of logical argument but certainly knee-jerk revulsion. but of course, like anything else in $current_year it just ends up being a stage for a bunch of faggots to fling self-aggrandizing moral judgment while they primp and parade themselves for their prospective audiences. it sucks titanic ass to see our serene orchards being lumped in with a site like this simply due to the shared threat of being expunged by the same kind of insufferable circle-jerk. if only those journalists and crusaders could take the place of all the sad retards who offed themselves for stupid reasons, I think the net karmic balance would look better on the whole.

the current admin being a troon unironically flying the handle RainAndSadness with a depressed anime pfp is fucking hilarious though. once he joins the 41% club, who's next? a dude named xxdarkangelxxdarknessxx186myself2005 whose pfp is a deviantart drawing of Sephiroth slitting his wrists?
 
The current owner of SS left breadcrumbs to his identity after pretending to leave it. We've seen this before with incels, pretending to leave/join/leave so they keep being written about in news.

Basically he formed an LLC to register SS after the NYTimes story instead of using a fake name again, or better whois protection. Whoxy shows Vokl LLC registered it https://archive.vn/44bFK

Their 2022 annual report shows Lamarcus Small signed his name as the LLC. https://wyobiz.wyo.gov/Business/Fil...074130022034055090138218147218123043175085164

He signed it months after the NYTimes story. It's one of these rinky-dink things where you can form an LLC for a few hundred bucks, i've seen Uber drivers use these services for LLCs.

Some anti-SS people on youtube and in journalism seem to purposefully be cutting Lamarcus slack by pretending he's not running it. As there's a non-0 chance they could take SS down just by Alabama law on either his incel site or his sanctionedsuicide site.

Instead they are going for federal changes in internet law. I think they'll succeed, altho maybe not because of the SS topic. Lots of countries have amended their safe harbour laws and I see no reason why the US won't follow suit.

Don't have an opinion on SS tbh, but that SN method seems messed up and I don't know why they are so obsessed with it. A youtuber suggested publicly that there's a second site that users get funnelled to that charges money for full SN instructions. Have been unable to verify if that's true or not, and this whole subject is too f'ed up for me to waste emotional energy looking. Considering users and moderators of their incel site ilegally encourage crimes, I wouldn't be surprised if SS was at some point criminally mismanaged beyond what is already reported, but they've also had years to remove any possible evidence after the fixthe26 crowd chased them around.

It's worth mentioning the primary moms pushing SS to shut down (through contacting news) are or were all die-hard Republican MAGAs. Kelli is an example. SS may tack "the dems are after us" to try to rally congressional republican support, but they lost that a looong time ago.

Conservatives have also signaled their distaste of SS and its owners https://www.tfp.org/fighting-websites-designed-to-make-young-people-comfortable-with-suicide/
 
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You really think that one shithole site going down equates to the "Entire Fucking Internet"? Are you mentally handicapped? Get your head out of your ass. That site isn't a significant cornerstone of internet freedom and expression like here. You can't compare that place to KF or the whole internet. It is only under attack for providing constant suicide discussion and being partly and fully responsible for the suicides of young people and minors. That's a far more real and justifiable reason for it being taken down than the 'trannies mad' reason for taking down KF.

It is far more morally dark than KF. It going down or not does not effect KF since KF is already a massive target. The worst thing KF has done is archive doxes that lolcows upload themselves. The shit site you're defending, directly and indirectly leads people to ending their own lives.

How many more depressed and dead children will get you to quit your frozen peaches over a single, nearly illegal, suicide groomer website? You seriously value a suicide site over the lives of children? Maybe you really are mentally handicapped.

Also, you wanna talk freedom? Go get some sun and organise with IRL people who actually exist, instead of promoting a death website as the world's cheapest gotcha to the inevitable centralisation and corporatisation of the internet.

Hmm, maybe I should raise awareness of this vile site to people IRL.

Some autistic GG Movieblob reference?
If Null were here he'd call you a retard, then you'd tell him to shut up and run off to the flavor of the week splinter site and write a thread about how Null is a pedo tyrant.
 
huntsville alabama is a felon factory as far as blacks

seriously

the amount of blacks there commiting crimes and getting arrested is astronomical

Here's site reviews of the suicide method the site pushes primarily, the meat preservative.

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A different person:

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Hello,

I'm one of the original founders of SS (won't mention which one) but the original OP pretty much summarizes the whole situation up very well. I have long separated myself from the community and I would like it to remain that way, but I do feel that I do need to make some clarifications:

  • The community was founded in early 2018 in the wake of the SS subreddit being from reddit. We had founded an incel forum about several months prior and came to a decision that SS was a community worth preserving and recreated it as a forum. We invited the original moderators of the subreddit to be moderators on our site and it went from there. There weren't any nefarious motives; We simply just believe that it was a topic that was worth discussing and we believe in free speech for people to be able to discuss the topic. The main motivation to create the site was to preserve this community and to allow people to talk about a taboo subject: suicide. I had struggled with suicidal ideation in the past and considered taking my own life but had decided against it. I was never fully comfortable with the subject matter, considering my struggles, but I felt that it deserved to be preserved.
  • My personal opinions on suicide doesn't really align with the forum and would actually lean towards the normal view, with some caveats. I believe that an individual should try everything in their power to make their life better before considering suicide. I do believe that opting out should be an option, but only if you have tried everything in your power to try to cope with your current problems beforehand.
  • My personal politics would right-libertarian, but I hold a very strong opinion on free speech and people being able to speak their minds. I very much support Kiwifarms, and was very saddened with what happened to KF and Keffals, lawful speech should never be censored. I emailed Null with some resources and other stuff that has helped us stay afloat in the time I ran SS.
  • I'm against minors having access to the stuff on our website, so it really does hurt to hear minors ending their lives. We had put precautions in place to prevent that, but the nature of online forums being public really makes it difficult. We had considered ID verification, but people can easily get around that too, so we left it up to a checkbox.
  • We made the mistake of talking to the media, as they twist your words endlessly and they are almost always disingenuous and will not portray you in any positive light. We learned this lesson a little too late, unfortunately.
  • Despite some of the claims going around, neither one of us has any type of involvement in SS whatsoever, and haven't for more than a year now.
If you have any other questions, I do lurk here often so just ask here or shoot me a PM.
SS shared the same BuyVM Florida IP in 2022 as incels.is. Lamarcus (original founder of both SS and incels.is) still openly runs incels.is, where the moderators openly/publicly instruct their users to commit class A felonies, including rape. The other founder had a criminal investigation launched against him because of the website, in Uruguay.

www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2022/01/18/suicide-websites-caution

Vokl is listed as the LLC that registered SS. RainandSadness can't do tech adminisitration and Lamarcus registered Vokl as the company that owns SS way after most of this stuff you are posting.
 
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SS shared the same BuyVM Florida IP in late 2022 as incels.is. Lamarcus (original founder of both SS and incels.is) still openly runs incels.is, where the moderators openly/publicly encourage and publicly try to incite class A felonies. The other founder had a criminal investigation launched against him because of the website, in Uruguay.

www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2022/01/18/suicide-websites-caution

Vokl is listed as the LLC that registered SS. RainandSadness can't do tech adminisitration and Lamarcus registered Vokl as the company that owns SS way after most of this stuff you are posting.

Like I said, the previous owners have no involvement in the current site, no matter what kind of spin or speculation you have put on it.

The current owner of SS left breadcrumbs to his identity after pretending to leave it. We've seen this before with incels, pretending to leave/join/leave so they keep being written about in news.

Basically he formed an LLC to register SS after the NYTimes story instead of using a fake name again, or better whois protection. Whoxy shows Vokl LLC registered it https://archive.vn/44bFK

Their 2022 annual report shows Lamarcus Small signed his name as the LLC. https://wyobiz.wyo.gov/Business/Fil...074130022034055090138218147218123043175085164

He signed it months after the NYTimes story. It's one of these rinky-dink things where you can form an LLC for a few hundred bucks, i've seen Uber drivers use these services for LLCs.

Some anti-SS people on youtube and in journalism seem to purposefully be cutting Lamarcus slack by pretending he's not running it. As there's a non-0 chance they could take SS down just by Alabama law on either his incel site or his sanctionedsuicide site.

Instead they are going for federal changes in internet law. I think they'll succeed, altho maybe not because of the SS topic. Lots of countries have amended their safe harbour laws and I see no reason why the US won't follow suit.

Don't have an opinion on SS tbh, but that SN method seems messed up and I don't know why they are so obsessed with it. A youtuber suggested publicly that there's a second site that users get funnelled to that charges money for full SN instructions. Have been unable to verify if that's true or not, and this whole subject is too f'ed up for me to waste emotional energy looking. Considering users and moderators of their incel site ilegally encourage crimes, I wouldn't be surprised if SS was at some point criminally mismanaged beyond what is already reported, but they've also had years to remove any possible evidence after the fixthe26 crowd chased them around.

Like I said, the previous founders have no involvement in the current site. We don't have any control over any domains or servers and any artifacts that may have been left (like from WHOIS) may still be there. This is just more speculation and lies. Neither of us have any active investigations against us as the site was legal, despite whoever says otherwise. This is just more bullshit to try to imagine something that really isn't there. Both of us are trying to move on from this and get on with our lives, but this speculative bullshit helps no one.
 
SS shared the same BuyVM Florida IP in 2022 as incels.is. Lamarcus (original founder of both SS and incels.is) still openly runs incels.is
Hmmm,an interesting fact,i know both of those forums and didn't know they share the same admin.
Also don't try to buy their prefered method in the forum itself,some guys are selling rat poison disguised as that.
Permanent diseases who are mental disorders shouldn't be eligible for death in my personal opinion.
 
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