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You know who creates art purely for themselves? Serial killers.
Tell it to Herostratus, who originated damnatio memoriae and despite that is still remembered.
Holy shit you sound pathetic right now. Imagine choosing creative self expression for clout.
"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money," said Dr. Johnson.

(Quoted by an idiot who does it for free every day.)
 
Tell it to Herostratus
The guy who set fire to the temple of Artemis for attention? The guy who the phrase "herostratic fame" is named after?

I didn't realise that creating art for other people would be such a controversial stance. Not that you should pander at your own expense, or create things for money and fame rather than creative fulfilment. Just that you should make art for the benefit of other people as well, like some kind of social animal. There's a reason its called story-telling, you can't do it if there's nobody to tell it to. We've only been doing it since the beginning of time after all.

Creative works don’t exist for the benefit of pedants and second-guessers.
It doesn't hurt to have a few people to keep your head out of your ass either, to have some sort of dissenting opinion to remind you that even your own shit stinks. If you're unable to filter useful criticism from the sort that will only harm you, that's on you. The sort of people that chalk-up all detractors as "pedants and second-guessers" are the sort of people who get their own articles on this site.
 
I didn't realise that creating art for other people would be such a controversial stance.
"Creating art for other people to enjoy is good, actually" is an opinion, "Art is worthless if you don't share it and only psychopaths do that" is full-on pedal-to-the-metal retardation.

EDIT: I think I may have mixed two different statements from two different people in there. But don't worry, both statements were equally retarded so my point still stands.
 
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"Art is worthless if you don't share it and only psychopaths do that" is full-on pedal-to-the-metal retardation.
Well its true. Every artist has works in progress they never finish or projects they just don't like enough to share. But if you're consistently creating art for you and you alone, never publishing a bit of it, there's really no two ways around it. That's psychotic. It doesn't make you some tragic avant-garde, even people like Francisco Goya and Mervyn Peake had impressive published bodies of work before they became crazy hermits.

It's like having a good idea. Sure, you could be a genius. But if you go around keeping your wonderful ideas to yourself, just indulging in them, then they don't exist to the rest of the world and you may as well be an idiot.
 
It's like having a good idea. Sure, you could be a genius. But if you go around keeping your wonderful ideas to yourself, just indulging in them, then they don't exist to the rest of the world and you may as well be an idiot.
If anyone else had beautiful roses growing in their yard, they'd pot them first and maybe think of selling them later if there's an incentive for it. If you saw those roses, dollar signs would appear in yours eyes and you'd start thinking of ways you can make a quick buck of them immediately.
 
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The guy who set fire to the temple of Artemis for attention? The guy who the phrase "herostratic fame" is named after?

I didn't realise that creating art for other people would be such a controversial stance. Not that you should pander at your own expense, or create things for money and fame rather than creative fulfilment. Just that you should make art for the benefit of other people as well, like some kind of social animal. There's a reason its called story-telling, you can't do it if there's nobody to tell it to. We've only been doing it since the beginning of time after all.


It doesn't hurt to have a few people to keep your head out of your ass either, to have some sort of dissenting opinion to remind you that even your own shit stinks. If you're unable to filter useful criticism from the sort that will only harm you, that's on you. The sort of people that chalk-up all detractors as "pedants and second-guessers" are the sort of people who get their own articles on this site.
Well its true. Every artist has works in progress they never finish or projects they just don't like enough to share. But if you're consistently creating art for you and you alone, never publishing a bit of it, there's really no two ways around it. That's psychotic. It doesn't make you some tragic avant-garde, even people like Francisco Goya and Mervyn Peake had impressive published bodies of work before they became crazy hermits.

It's like having a good idea. Sure, you could be a genius. But if you go around keeping your wonderful ideas to yourself, just indulging in them, then they don't exist to the rest of the world and you may as well be an idiot.
You seem to be conflating critique with creation for others. No one has said that critique isn't valuable, don't ever show anyone your work and become Henry Darger, the point is that if you're creating things simply because of other people with no desire to express a theory of world in your work, you might as well design consumer goods because that's all you're doing.

That's not art, it's a product. Plain and simple. If you want to get into the valuation of art placed by others that's an entirely different story that's disconnected from creation.
 
You seem to be conflating critique with creation for others. No one has said that critique isn't valuable, don't ever show anyone your work and become Henry Darger, the point is that if you're creating things simply because of other people with no desire to express a theory of world in your work, you might as well design consumer goods because that's all you're doing.

That's not art, it's a product. Plain and simple. If you want to get into the valuation of art placed by others that's an entirely different story that's disconnected from creation.
I'm not conflating anything. I'm talking about two separate things at once, which both relate to having an audience. If you care to re-read you'll notice I'm replying to someone else who's talking about criticism specifically. This site has a nifty feature that lets you follow quote chains for context.

At this point I can only assume you're actively trying to misinterpret me so you can stay mad. I've stressed, even in the very post you just quoted, that you shouldn't pander to others at the expense of making what you want. It's not a zero sum game. It's not like the minute you start writing with other people in mind, it suddenly becomes a product. What would be the ultimate goal in writing about your thoughts on the world? For other people to read and think about? What about just writing some simple, creepy story? So other people can enjoy your writing and get creeped out. That's making art for other people. Even the idea of making art to some kind of standard is in the interest of other people. Why would you even bother structuring a story if the reader absolutely didn't matter?
 
Why would you even bother structuring a story if the reader absolutely didn't matter?
... because it matters to me?

Look you have to understand, I make 90% of what I do under multiple psuedonyms, fake groups, etc and the only thing that links everything is the style and overarching direction. I don't show my face or name because I'm not important, what I create is. The last thing the world needs is more people who are huge because they're attractive or they're popular online while their work is shit. I mean, look around you. Look at this thread alone. Off the top of your head how many people can you think of that description fits, you know there's a good few. I believe in fighting that, perhaps that will explain why I have such opinions on this as it's not a personal thing with you.
 
Tell it to Herostratus, who originated damnatio memoriae and despite that is still remembered.

"No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money," said Dr. Johnson.

(Quoted by an idiot who does it for free every day.)
Heinlein started writing to pay off debts incurred after a failed run for political office. So it's not like 'writing to make a buck' is somehow bad.

As far as starting out goes, remember that Naomi Novik (author of the Temeraire series) got her start writing Transformers slash fic.

There's no shame in humble beginnings.
 
As far as starting out goes, remember that Naomi Novik (author of the Temeraire series) got her start writing Transformers slash fic.

There's no shame in humble beginnings.
And some of us can’t help but be embarrassed at writing/drawing erotica involving characters from 80s/90s/2000s children’s cartoons.
 
*shrug* Perhaps.

Maybe it bothers her when she's not cashing those royalty checks. I dunno. 'Pay to the order of' is a grand salve to one's conscience.
I said embarrassed, not guilty.

it’s probably not a good idea to share your past rule34 fanfic of children’s cartoons when some people are crazy enough to use that to destroy your reputation like what happened with Steven Universe fandom. Jesus Christ that was horrifying.
 
I don't show my face or name because I'm not important, what I create is.
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At this point I can only assume you're actively trying to misinterpret me so you can stay mad.
No, he's interpreting you correctly, the shit you're saying sounds profoundly retarded to everyone. You're making insanely extreme claims, getting wrapped up in your own autistic definitions of things, and giving rebuttals to arguments that people clearly aren't making instead of responding to what they're actually saying. It's pretty ironic actually - maybe you should consider your audience and look at the feedback they're giving you.
 
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No, he's interpreting you correctly, the shit you're saying sounds profoundly retarded to everyone. You're making insanely extreme claims, getting wrapped up in your own autistic definitions of things, and giving rebuttals to arguments that people clearly aren't making instead of responding to what they're actually saying. It's pretty ironic actually - maybe you should consider your audience and look at the feedback they're giving you.
I am going to hang that in my living room.
 
I didn't realise that creating art for other people would be such a controversial stance. Not that you should pander at your own expense, or create things for money and fame rather than creative fulfilment. Just that you should make art for the benefit of other people as well, like some kind of social animal.
If even you don't like it why would anyone else?
 
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