Shakedown in Progress

[Null]

New @Null, perhaps it would be useful if you elaborate on your vision for the problem boards (where those boards are vs where you think they need to be), so people know where to direct their energies. I am talking mostly about the lolcows board as it comprises a high amount of the people of interest we cover.

Look, when I originally joined the CWCki Forums in 2012 what actually kept me in the community was that -- although Chris was this very, very niche topic of total irrelevance -- everyone had some weird and interesting perspective on the topic. Since it wasn't a political discussion board or religion or whatever, people were emotionally unattached and could speak about things informatively without being offended by people disagreeing. People with experience in or with adult protective services could explain why Chris didn't qualify. Legal experts could explain what Chris's trial with Snyder would be like and what the likely outcome was. That sort of shit. No one got mad because Chris wasn't worth getting mad over. Chris also wasn't a mechanism by which to inflate your own ego. If you have to compare yourself to Chris to feel good, you're not better than him.

I also now completely resent any and all niche language the community uses. "troons", "ween", "a-log", "powerleveling" et al have completely lost their meaning and are worthless articles thrown around by people trying to sound more in touch than they are. I think the entire site would be better off if people just fucking stopped.

 

[LocalFireDept]

It's time to let the past die. Kill it if you have to.

Killing Chris is alogging.

Cutting down some of the CWC chatter might be worth it, though. The "what if" threads are probably the worst offenders in the board. The top level should be limited to CWC happenings. I wanna say only tzars can create threads on the top level but that's probably going to lead to someone with 100 PMs about how Chris shat his pants and did nothing daily. You could move Chris chatter to another subforum if people want it still, like Sonichu discussion has. At least the awful threads and money wasting weens wouldn't be at the forefront.

 

[keksz]

except the one hidden shitposting board

Make shitposting on that board a bannable offense! Make Inner Circle great again!

On a serious note, Null: how hard would it be to code a "off-topic" rating thresold that fires an admin message so that someone can look into it and possibly remove the post from the thread? Does this happen already with the "a-log" rating? I seemed to receive a couple mod messages after getting too many a-logs on a post, a couple times since I've been here. If you can add something like that to the site it would further your plan, because people are much more likely to rate bad posts than to report them.

You could even add a "does not really advance the discussion" rating for that purpose ("boring" rating with a ZZZ icon, for example). I mean, as long as it'd get mods into cleaning those posts...

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Is there a way to categorize posts, such as "update" and "comment", so thread watchers could choose to just see posts containing updates while skipping out on the discussion?

Putting things into categories could be left open to the writer. Everything after the OP defaults to "comment" and abuse of said feature to mark "Hurr, Chris is a cultural virgin" an "update" gets paddled.

It would be useful for content where seperating it into different threads would be inconvenient, yet reading through pages upon pages of comments can be a chore.

 

[Zarkov]

Why not give the CWC board the Amberlynn treatment ? Give up any pretense of moderating it and let the cringelords and other edgy faggots spill their autism and engage in pointless debates over the shape of Chris' dick to their heart's content.

Chris is boring as fuck but at the same time he's likely the primary reason people discover and join this community. There's always going to be people wanting to discuss him and it's almost 100% guaranteed that they'll bring nothing new nor interesting to the table, so I agree with you that stricter moderation isn't going to do jack shit.

You should just wash your hands off the entire board and let faggots be faggots.

 

[Null]

Why not give the CWC board the Amberlynn treatment ? Give up any pretense of moderating it and let the cringelords and other edgy faggots spill their autism and engage in pointless debates over the shape of Chris' dick to their heart's content.

I've thought about it.

 

[isBubba]

I also now completely resent any and all niche language the community uses. "troons", "ween", "a-log", "powerleveling" et al have completely lost their meaning and are worthless articles thrown around by people trying to sound more in touch than they are. I think the entire site would be better off if people just fucking stopped.

Are the unironic use of these words now a reportable offense?

 

[Null]

Make shitposting on that board a bannable offense! Make Inner Circle great again!

On a serious note, Null: how hard would it be to code a "off-topic" rating thresold that fires an admin message so that someone can look into it and possibly remove the post from the thread? Does this happen already with the "a-log" rating? I seemed to receive a couple mod messages after getting too many a-logs on a post, a couple times since I've been here. If you can add something like that to the site it would further your plan, because people are much more likely to rate bad posts than to report them.

You could even add a "does not really advance the discussion" rating for that purpose ("boring" rating with a ZZZ icon, for example). I mean, as long as it'd get mods into cleaning those posts...

Is there a way to categorize posts, such as "update" and "comment", so thread watchers could choose to just see posts containing updates while skipping out on the discussion?

Putting things into categories could be left open to the writer. Everything after the OP defaults to "comment" and abuse of said feature to mark "Hurr, Chris is a cultural virgin" an "update" gets paddled.

It would be useful for content where seperating it into different threads would be inconvenient, yet reading through pages upon pages of comments can be a chore.

I want for XF2 (which is never coming because I am slow and fat and occupied with other shit at the moment) to have the ratings mod tie into post filtering so people can look for information only.

Though I guess I should just remove negative ratings and replace them with report buttons.

 

[OwO What's This?]

Posted a new sticky with a twitter search tutorial, made sure to give threads clearer names, repurposed the Trump thread, did some moderation... things are looking good. I'm going to keep Salt Mine my sole focus because it's always been my favorite and I want it to survive and succeed.

 

[Caesare]

I also now completely resent any and all niche language the community uses. "troons", "ween", "a-log", "powerleveling" et al have completely lost their meaning and are worthless articles thrown around by people trying to sound more in touch than they are.

I agree 1000% except on the use of "troon". Keep that one, it's funny every time.

 

[keksz]

Though I guess I should just remove negative ratings and replace them with report buttons.

Don't do that, the basic problem is that people don't use the report button to report rule offenses - giving them more buttons they won't use isn't the solution. Also I know you don't care for ratings personally but the rest of us do (cue in @Deadpool copy-pasta). You're better off leveraging the rating's popularity to fit your wider vision for the website, come XF2, IMHO.

Also, in the post here you explained your sentiment about the current state of some of the boards, it really feels that there's a nostalgia factor in there - not that you're being subjective and wrong over what makes a better forum, just that as websites grow it naturally becomes harder to maintain that sense of tight community where no one wants to be the shitposter because everyone else will notice. When any site grows too big, there's too much noise for that - and from the data you shared with me a couple months ago, KF is getting bigger by the day, so you might want to reconcile those things.

May sound simple to say "we just need more active admins" - but we all know of other forums (some with their own threads here) where too much admin literally shitted the site, because admins are just amateurs with their own biases most of the time... It's a tight rope to follow and is known to backfire.

 

[polonium]

A&H is the best forum why is it coloured shit.
Clearly your colours are wrong.

 

[Adolf Von Merkel]

I've suggested in the past that we should have a separate thread for updates and discussion for big name cows like Russ Greer so you don't have to dig through 50 "what a bamboon" posts to find actual content and I still think this is a good idea. We used to have a subforum for Chris updates until the content dried up and it worked out pretty well.

I think is a good idea.
But I think it would be better making a "lolcows info" subforum where it have the thread of the lolcows with their info that only mood can updates.
Like the lolcow wiki.

 

[TheScooper]

Don't do that, the basic problem is that people don't use the report button to report rule offenses - giving them more buttons they won't use isn't the solution. Also I know you don't care for ratings personally but the rest of us do (cue in @Deadpool copy-pasta). You're better off leveraging the rating's popularity to fit your wider vision for the website, come XF2, IMHO.

Also, in the post here you explained your sentiment about the current state of some of the boards, it really feels that there's a nostalgia factor in there - not that you're being subjective and wrong over what makes a better forum, just that as websites grow it naturally becomes harder to maintain that sense of tight community where no one wants to be the shitposter because everyone else will notice. When any site grows too big, there's too much noise for that - and from the data you shared with me a couple months ago, KF is getting bigger by the day, so you might want to reconcile those things.

May sound simple to say "we just need more active admins" - but we all know of other forums (some with their own threads here) where too much admin literally shitted the site, because admins are just amateurs with their own biases most of the time... It's a tight rope to follow and is known to backfire.

I honestly can't agree more, we have the older members and lets be honest the autistic newfags, heck we had a bunch of bans at the start of the year alone.

 

[WW 635]

A&H is the best forum why is it coloured shit.
Clearly your colours are wrong.

It's littered with non-comtributing one word responses and political sperging

 

[The Man With No Name]

I know this isn't a "RIP mods" thread but RIP Karen Riley, she was a good mod. What the fuck happened to her?

 

[keksz]

I honestly can't agree more, we have the older members and lets be honest the autistic newfags, heck we had a bunch of bans at the start of the year alone.

Yeah and unfortunately we can't just close the doors either to prevent the website from growing further. I mean we can but what does that really solve? It's a much more profound question than just "how many admins do we need" and I don't think any big website has solved it yet

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty hyped for KF XF2, shit gonna be amazeballs!

 

[Zarkov]

I know this isn't a "RIP mods" thread but RIP Karen Riley, she was a good mod. What the fuck happened to her?

The French took her.

 

[TheMockTurtle]

For what its worth, here are my thoughts on the cwc board:

The cwc board is basically its own stand-alone board in the sense that it attracts posters who come for chris and stay in that board. This makes it more likely to be a lawless cesspool because many of those posters aren't getting exposed to the general culture, but I don't think its a total lost cause.

1. I think public warnings should be used more often in that board. Not only does it help clarify what is good and bad posting, its just plain fun. Yes, this is what ratings are for, but the message gets muddled when all the raters are also re.tards. Another reason I support this idea is that I would imagine the cwc board has a high poster turn-over rate (new posters joining, then leaving within the month), making moderating by reports and post deletion less effective as an overall behavioral modification strategy.

2. One of the shittiest parts of the cwc board is searching through shitposts for content. I propose locked content threads for things like facebook and twitter updates that a few people have access to updating and all commentary regarding updates should go in a containment thread

3. In the cwc board especially, but maybe the whole board, should have a ban on threads created by brand new members. Maybe members should have to reach a certain amount of posts or days before they are allowed to start a new thread.

4. If you vote for me for mod I'll make sure the school starts Free Taco Tuesdays in the quad and I'll fight for more student parking.

 

[ChurchOfGodBear]

I’ve reported some posts and gotten responses of “don’t report stupid shit”. So you can’t ask people to report all problems if the mods are just going to brush it off.