Shakedown in Progress

[MysteriousStranger]

Over- moderated boards suck and people who tattle are shitty. Please don't ruin my favorite time-sink

 

[Done]

Look, when I originally joined the CWCki Forums in 2012 what actually kept me in the community was that -- although Chris was this very, very niche topic of total irrelevance -- everyone had some weird and interesting perspective on the topic. Since it wasn't a political discussion board or religion or whatever, people were emotionally unattached and could speak about things informatively without being offended by people disagreeing. People with experience in or with adult protective services could explain why Chris didn't qualify. Legal experts could explain what Chris's trial with Snyder would be like and what the likely outcome was. That sort of shit.

I think Chris's current life phase doesn't lend it self well to this kind of discussion, Chris's life hasn't changed in any major way for the last few years. Lawyers, social workers, etc can't be informative if Chris's life doesn't generate enough topics for them to be informative on. This also isn't helped by him seemingly learning to somewhat stay under the radar and control his reactions since the Doopie thing.

This is hanging by a thread though, and seemingly poised to change if something happens to Barb, but I don't have it in me to look forward to her death or anything like that. She may be dragging his life down in many, many ways, but she IS his last remaining close relative after all.

No one got mad because Chris wasn't worth getting mad over. Chris also wasn't a mechanism by which to inflate your own ego. If you have to compare yourself to Chris to feel good, you're not better than him.

Unlike the previous problem, this one is extremely fixable with moderation, this is the 20% that doesn't have to do with Chris himself.

There are some people who are strangely triggered by Chris making money on his own via Patreon or paid requests, people getting triggered at Chris believing he can become a fertile woman with hormonal therapy, people who are triggered he got money by selling parts of the horde (the last of which is hugely hypocritical, given that a lot of them were shrieking at him do it)..etc

Those people should be dunked on by mods whenever possible.

I also now completely resent any and all niche language the community uses. "troons", "ween", "a-log", "powerleveling" et al have completely lost their meaning and are worthless articles thrown around by people trying to sound more in touch than they are. I think the entire site would be better off if people just fucking stopped.

I don't have much to add here, but I think people have a decent-ish grasp on powerleveling because it's meaning is literally plastered on every single page. Of course, I am not counting people who use the :powerlevel: rating for revenge.

Where it's gotten truly bad is the definition of ween, where it's basically become "trolls I don't like". Which somehow lets people like xyrichard or Ntwadumela get s galore for some seriously low effort stuff, until someone with actual sense breaks up the circlejerk.

 

[keksz]

I am having a hard time believing how a thread like this managed to attract its fair share of painfully obvious shitposts, filler posts and "this thread is my personal journal" posts in a couple of hours. I've come to expect this from the rest of the boards but in here, of all places? You asses can't be serious.

@Null I'm not volunteering myself for any of the positions because I don't care about any board in particular. If there is any other way I can help trim the exceptional posts from the threads I do care about, other than reporting them and being told "not to report stupid shit", like @ChurchOfGodBear said, I'd be glad to help.

 

[Broken Pussy]

I think some of you are misunderstanding the initial problem. There have been moderators who have disappeared for literal months with no word about what’s going on and when they’ll be back. For a regular user, that’s fine, but for someone who’s supposed to, you know, moderate, that’s a job not being done. It’s not about over moderating. It’s about having any moderation at all.

 

[AJ 447]

Not that I doubt @Cricket's abilities, but you may want to add a supervisor to Community Watch too. It's a very active board, with threads all over the place in terms of content and quality.

 

[neger psykolog]

Maybe publicly showing the autism points a user has received would help people to know their current reputation. Not displaying their positive/negative ratings on posts, but purely whether they've been warned a moderator in recently history. That would probably mean that people would gang up on them and use the report feature even more.

 

[Trombonista]

I can help with Tumblr.

Edit: And Sisterwood, Lolcows, and Beauty Parlor. Or even Multimedia or Music.

 

[Asperchewy]

I'd like to personally congratulate @neger psykolog for making DSPs threads readable again, @yawning sneasel for being a thorn in Tommy Tooters ass hole, and also a shoutout to @The American Hedgehog for dealing with new fags on a daily basis.

 

[Audit]

With regard to the A&H forum, there are a few trends I've noticed when it comes to threads getting shat up.

1. You can't have any thread that has anything remotely to do with communism without the thread becoming a honeypot for low-level commie bashing.
2. Anything about a pedophile turns into a circlejerk about why pedos are the most evil thing in existence and should be punished.
3. Same as #2 concerning anything to do with transsexual children and their parents.
4. The threads about sensationalist clickbait tend to get a lot of responses and the conversation is pretty much exactly what you think it would be based off of the source material.

 

[Cosmos]

Do we have a “forum rules and etiquette” thread or something for new users? It might be helpful to have a comprehensive thread that outlines the way users should act here. I know the the rules are plastered on every board, but it seems like the etiquette side of things is neglected. An example of etiquette would be “Stay on topic. If you want to discuss something that doesn’t pertain to the current thread, take it to Off-Topic.”

 

[Florence]

Anything about pedophiles turns into a circlejerk about why pedos are the most evil thing in existence and should be punished.

that’s because they are tho

 

[Xerxes IX]

Like Salt Mine and the Chris board A&H threads should be closed after a certain period of time. Leave the megathreads open for updates like the North Korea or Hollywood sex pest one, but the rest of them turn into pearl clutching or politisperging. There's a point where every new post in an A&H thread is saying the exact same thing.

With regard to the A&H forum, there are a few trends I've noticed when it comes to threads getting shat up.

1. You can't have any thread that has anything remotely to do with communism without the thread becoming a honeypot for low-level commie bashing.
2. Anything about a pedophile turns into a circlejerk about why pedos are the most evil thing in existence and should be punished.
3. Same as #2 concerning anything to do with transsexual children and their parents.
4. The threads about sensationalist clickbait tend to get a lot of responses and the conversation is pretty much exactly what you think it would be based off of the source material.

Posted while I was writing this, but yeah, I think locking these threads would help with the low effort 'lol commies/troons/pedos' you always see on the board

 

[Dirt McGirt]

With regard to the A&H forum, there are a few trends I've noticed when it comes to threads getting shat up.

1. You can't have any thread that has anything remotely to do with communism without the thread becoming a honeypot for low-level commie bashing.
2. Anything about a pedophile turns into a circlejerk about why pedos are the most evil thing in existence and should be punished.
3. Same as #2 concerning anything to do with transsexual children and their parents.
4. The threads about sensationalist clickbait tend to get a lot of responses and the conversation is pretty much exactly what you think it would be based off of the source material.

Is there much to talk about in those threads besides that past the first couple of pages though?

 

[Ptolemy]

that’s because they are

That is something everyone agrees on, so why do we need to keep bringing it up? It's like watching Redditors post about Donald Blumpf and just sperging about how terrible he is, it's boring to read.

 

[WW 635]

Not that I doubt @Cricket's abilities, but you may want to add a supervisor to Community Watch too. It's a very active board, with threads all over the place in terms of content and quality.

I would not be opposed to this

 

[Ouija Board]

Well this was something to wake up to.

I guess I could throw myself out there to volunteer for being a mod or supervisor as I am a mod on the FSTDT forums (though those forums are pretty much dead now and I don't go there anymore). I am not snarky or anything and some here no my posting style. I could possibly be assigned to something slower perhaps?

Someone in this thread mentioned that words like "ween" and "powerleveling" are overused and I tend to agree, especially with concern to powerleveling. I think we need a more stricter sense of what is powerleveling and what isn't. To me, powerleveling is where someone may dox themselves or shares very personal information or TMI type stuff not if someone is stating something about themselves to give a perspective. For example sharing something about their mental illness in a thread where an lolcow has a mental illness. I guess a more poignant example would be in the Susan Scholfield thread where discussions of mental illness and medications are frequent, I have wanted to share some things about my own dealings but didn't because others would accuse me of powerleveling. Of course it should be something that contributes to the conversation.

Null, you run a very good forum and I enjoy being here, so I will do my best to contribute if I can. This is a good, yet eccentric community and really it is better than some forums that I have been on. If I could make a suggestion, I think one thing would be to trim down some subgroups or get rid of some such as the Amberlynn one. I never felt that particular was necessary and it would also put less stress on the global mods if you have too many subgroups on lolcows.

 

[NARPASSWORD]

As for how to make the Salt Mine at least a little less shitty, I would suggest dropping all discussion of celebrities in general (Tara Strong, George Takei, J.K. Rowling, Stephen King).
We generally forbid threads on celebrities (the Adam Sandler thread was a joke, so it doesn't count), and the celebrity sperging on the Trump megathread shows exactly why this is the case.

 

[Xerxes IX]

That is something everyone agrees on, so why do we need to keep bringing it up? It's like watching Redditors post about Donald Blumpf and just weening about how terrible he is, it's boring to read.

It's why we don't encourage threads on cows whose sole point is being a pedo, either. There's not really anything funny about that and all the posts become nonconstructive pedo bashing. 'Raped and murdered in prison' jokes got run into the ground for a reason, but that's what those threads turn into.

 

[Desire Lines]

As for how to make the Salt Mine at least a little less shitty, I would suggest dropping all discussion of celebrities in general (Tara Strong, George Takei, J.K. Rowling, Stephen King).
We generally forbid threads on celebrities (the Adam Sandler thread was a joke, so it doesn't count), and the celebrity sperging on the Trump megathread shows exactly why this is the case.

How about making a Gossip board? All the celebrity sperging, random slapfights and drama can just go there. It'd probably be a bitch to moderate though

 

[GS 281]

Okay, I read through this thread, and I get the feeling that people are sort of misunderstanding what Null is trying to accomplish here. I cannot speak for Null, but my interpretation of his posts and actions is that it is time to exert a positive influence on posting on the forum and mods need to take the lead. This doesn't mean mods should toss weight around, it means mods and the userbase should work together to make discussion better on a forum that has grown in size and scope the way we have in the past 5 years.

There is a difference between shitposting and shitposting. A post where you crack a joke or say something dumb or silly or whatever is just shitposting. People should feel free to do that as long as it is something new and novel. Posts lurch into the area of being shit when they are basically a rehash of the same thing (i.e. WHAT A BAMBOON, rape and murder Chris, etc.). They become total shit when they are just one word stuff (i.e. "good", "this", etc.). There is no need for it and threads are getting clogged with it.

Another problem is that with large threads, people will jump in and say the same thing that has been said 5-10 pages back. It is stuff that could easily have been found by reading or searching. I have seen the same dox on people posted 2-3 times in the course of a few months. That kinda stuff clogs up discussion because then a bunch of new people continue to follow a chain of discussion that just happened. You especially see it in larger threads (i.e. Greta, Wu, etc.). That stuff just drives the thread backwards.

Yet another problem is people taking discussion in content threads in a completely different direction than the content. Say for example you have a thread on "Donald Trump Salt". The thread is for posting content on Donald Trump Salt or commenting on it in some way. You will see people take it in different directions where they begin talking about politics in general and it becomes a case of "I disagree with X, let's dumpster them". That would be fine if the thread was say in Deep Thoughts and the topic was "X says Y, do you agree?" or something like that. Content threads becoming general discussion is killing the Salt Mine because the culture has become one where OP drops something and maybe you will get a few more content posts later on. If the thread is a content thread, then shitposting about your favorite or least favorite politicians is going to ruin the enjoyment of the content.

We also have an issue with moral handwringing. Look at our threads on pedophiles. We have had several pedo-centric threads on pedos in comm watch and some on pedos in lolcow. I see no problem with discussion on people or groups because they are weird, disgusting, things we don't generally get exposed to. It promotes salient discussion. But when you have people arguing about pedophilia, moralfagging, trying to brigade around doxing pedos to do something with the info, etc., then the thread becomes garbage. It isn't a content discussion.

I am sure there are other problems, but these are key things that I see. I find it awesome that people are throwing their names in the hat to help out. There is one thing that you all can do to help out here.

REPORT!!!!!!!

Report any post you think needs to be reported because it goes against these principles or you feel it adds nothing to discussion. Not every post has to be a @zedkissed60 or @Ride info drop, but if its just someone saying "good" or "let's kill chris", then enough of that. We won't get pissy if its a questionable report, as long as you're doing it in good-faith. We can't be everywhere at once, help us help you make your favorite threads better. Toss us a report.