Shitty Alternate History Thread - If only the Romans had AK-47's they would've survived...

I know it did.

That occured as a result of Russia getting roundly defeated in WWI. It's ridiculous to say that Russian Republic could have become a stable democracy, or that the monarchy could have fallen outside of the circumstances in which it did.
Russia did have the 1905 Revolution too, the Tsardom was seemingly losing its popularity even without WW1.

The Russian Republic definitely wouldn't have the healthiest democracy, but I could see it limping along akin to the modern day democracy in Mexico or Brazil: corrupt, weak, not particularly representative, but at least nominally in existence.
 
If Operation Downfall did happen, and the Japanese did end up being a million hearts beating as one ( kids running at GIs with pointy sticks, women throwing themselves under Tanks with a landmine and a hammer), theres a good chance anime would not exist in it's current form. Or Japan for that matter.
 
If Operation Downfall did happen, and the Japanese did end up being a million hearts beating as one ( kids running at GIs with pointy sticks, women throwing themselves under Tanks with a landmine and a hammer), theres a good chance anime would not exist in it's current form. Or Japan for that matter.
The Chinese, Koreans, Indochinese or Filipinos could invent them only it would be drastically different and might not have ecchi content if you consider China’s or even the Philippines’ culture.
 
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The Chinese, Koreans, Indochinese or Filipinos could invent them only it would be drastically different and might not have ecchi content if you consider China’s or even the Philippines’ culture.
I wonder how weeb culture in the west would be effected, can't say I know the nuances of those cultures so I'm not sure I'd notice much of a difference.
 
If Operation Downfall did happen, and the Japanese did end up being a million hearts beating as one ( kids running at GIs with pointy sticks, women throwing themselves under Tanks with a landmine and a hammer), theres a good chance anime would not exist in it's current form. Or Japan for that matter.
IIRC operation downfall would have been a massive slaughter but not only on the Japanese side. Through pure luck, the Japanese home defense command had anticipated the possible landing zones perfectly, the US did not have accurate intel on the japanese forces on Kyushu (the japanese regulars already outnumbered the planned US forces, not counting Jap militia) and the Japanese had prepared thousands of kamikaze planes, speedboats and midget subs.
There was a good chance that if downfall was given the go ahead, the US forces would have failed in securing a beachhead.
Long term, nothing would change ofc.
 
IIRC operation downfall would have been a massive slaughter but not only on the Japanese side. Through pure luck, the Japanese home defense command had anticipated the possible landing zones perfectly, the US did not have accurate intel on the japanese forces on Kyushu (the japanese regulars already outnumbered the planned US forces, not counting Jap militia) and the Japanese had prepared thousands of kamikaze planes, speedboats and midget subs.
There was a good chance that if downfall was given the go ahead, the US forces would have failed in securing a beachhead.
Long term, nothing would change ofc.
Iirc there aren't a whole lot of places to land troops like that onto Japan, so the Japanese high command concentrated on the viable beach heads.
 
If the initial landings had been repulsed, I think there would have been even more intensive firebombing of Japanese urban areas, and defoliants would be massively used against the rice crop. I once saw an old report that estimated that 7 out of ten Japanese would be dead in two years' time. As it was, after the Japanese surrender there was mass hunger, and a widespread famine was barely averted.

Or they might have decided to short-cut everything and use nerve gas. That was on the table as well.
 
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I wonder how weeb culture in the west would be effected, can't say I know the nuances of those cultures so I'm not sure I'd notice much of a difference.
I believe it wouldn’t be that big. One thing to consider is some of them had a bit more vitriol towards the US because of some hang ups when the US ruled/hosted bases and they were a lot more vocal about it than Japan. The chances of it becoming similar if it was made in a Korea but it would be mixed with the K-pop stans and K-drama fans.
IIRC operation downfall would have been a massive slaughter but not only on the Japanese side. Through pure luck, the Japanese home defense command had anticipated the possible landing zones perfectly, the US did not have accurate intel on the japanese forces on Kyushu (the japanese regulars already outnumbered the planned US forces, not counting Jap militia) and the Japanese had prepared thousands of kamikaze planes, speedboats and midget subs.
There was a good chance that if downfall was given the go ahead, the US forces would have failed in securing a beachhead.
Long term, nothing would change ofc.
I wonder what the chances are for the Soviets if they invaded, since they also were planning an invasion.
 
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IIRC operation downfall would have been a massive slaughter but not only on the Japanese side. Through pure luck, the Japanese home defense command had anticipated the possible landing zones perfectly, the US did not have accurate intel on the japanese forces on Kyushu (the japanese regulars already outnumbered the planned US forces, not counting Jap militia) and the Japanese had prepared thousands of kamikaze planes, speedboats and midget subs.
There was a good chance that if downfall was given the go ahead, the US forces would have failed in securing a beachhead.
Long term, nothing would change ofc.
There were plans to use nukes, I think about 6-9, to destroy most of the fortifications and reserves and have the US forces march straight through the fallout. Even then, US command expected to still take massive casualties. The expectations were so high that we are still using Purple Hearts minted in anticipation of the US invasion and there were several refrigerator ships that were converted to soley carry plasma for wounded soldiers. There was an excellent book put out by D. M. Giangreco, called Hell to Pay: Operation Downfall, that goes over the battle plans and expected results, if you're interested.
 
IIRC operation downfall would have been a massive slaughter but not only on the Japanese side. Through pure luck, the Japanese home defense command had anticipated the possible landing zones perfectly, the US did not have accurate intel on the japanese forces on Kyushu (the japanese regulars already outnumbered the planned US forces, not counting Jap militia) and the Japanese had prepared thousands of kamikaze planes, speedboats and midget subs.
There was a good chance that if downfall was given the go ahead, the US forces would have failed in securing a beachhead.
Long term, nothing would change ofc.
The United States had such an overwhelming edge in firepower by then and had developed the doctrine to use it effectively against kamikaze attacks after Okinawa, and most Japanese units were so inexperienced by that time and all of them were so badly equipped, there's no way they could have prevented a beachhead from being secured. They gave up on defending right at the beaches in mid-1943 anyway, it didnt work. They could have gained a victory counter attacking when the US tried to move off the beaches... by taking 20, 30 to 1 losses Zerging advancing American columns. They could have done a lot of damage then because of the US underestimating their numbers. But then they wouldnt have had enough left to destroy the beachhead. It woulda been like 100 fifteen year olds with rocks going after a tank with a hatch that cant be dogged. Yeah sure theyll get inside and kill everyone in the tank, but theres gonna be like 30 of them left at best when it's over. And plenty more tanks around.
 
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If the initial landings had been repulsed, I think there would have been even more intensive firebombing of Japanese urban areas, and defoliants would be massively used against the rice crop. I once saw an old report that estimated that 7 out of ten Japanese would be dead in two years' time. As it was, after the Japanese surrender there was mass hunger, and a widespread famine was barely averted.
I used to be in contact with a really fanatical Japanese neo-fascist and he claimed that even pre-war, the zaibatsu were abusing and exploiting small farmers and that rural areas were dangerously close to famine even pre war. Honestly the entire war came at a really bad moment for the japanese. They should have clamped down on NCO initiative after the mukden incident.
I wonder what the chances are for the Soviets if they invaded, since they also were planning an invasion.
Soviets did not have the naval strength and naval logistics in the east to preform a landing on the home isles. Furthermore, the Americans had it under control and the Soviets still had a lot on their hands in the west.
The United States had such an overwhelming edge in firepower by then and had developed the doctrine to use it effectively against kamikaze attacks after Okinawa, and most Japanese units were so inexperienced by that time and all of them were so badly equipped, there's no way they could have prevented a beachhead from being secured. They gave up on defending right at the beaches in mid-1943 anyway, it didnt work. They could have gained a victory counter attacking when the US tried to move off the beaches... by taking 20, 30 to 1 losses Zerging advancing American columns. They could have done a lot of damage then because of the US underestimating their numbers. But then they wouldnt have had enough left to destroy the beachhead. It woulda been like 100 fifteen year olds with rocks going after a tank with a hatch that cant be dogged. Yeah sure theyll get inside and kill everyone in the tank, but theres gonna be like 30 of them left at best when it's over. And plenty more tanks around.
The japanese government was busy conscripting about 28 million japanese into the civilian militia. 30-1 losses still means about 1 mil dead americans.
 
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China, the leader of the alt-right! Bonus points for the individual making this bold claim borrowing his username from the same guy who famously said of the definition of fascism:
It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.
 
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So this is more related to people making imaginary maps, then any explicit alternate history, but I figured that map autism is within the same realm as alternate history. So yesterday on the r/imaginarymaps subreddit, a user by the name of SunnyCant uploaded a map of a theoretical democratic/reduced China.

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Predictably, reddit's resident China simps were not happy and discussion devolved into people sperging about the feasibility of this scenario and discussion about the Uighur genocide and in an rare moment of reddit mods being decent, came out in the defense of the original creator.
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And also predictably, tankies on reddit are also sperging about it.
And a couple of people including noted intellectual "Dengist-Mommy" have also lampooned the map.
 
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