Shitty Alternate History Thread - If only the Romans had AK-47's they would've survived...

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Has anyone found anything interesting from Ian's Usenet days?

For a guy who works with tech, he is one lazy thinned-skin piece of shit when it comes to managing a forum. I bet he's had decades of experience over his career, and yet he still can't update a simple xenforo forum?
I was there when he ragequit soc.history.what-if and founded his hugbox, which exceeded all expectations of survival due it coinciding with the heat death of the Usenet and the rise of forums on the web. I don't have links, but I do have a lot of memories. What do you want to know?
 
I was there when he ragequit soc.history.what-if and founded his hugbox, which exceeded all expectations of survival due it coinciding with the heat death of the Usenet and the rise of forums on the web. I don't have links, but I do have a lot of memories. What do you want to know?
What was the background of the ragequit, and what was Ian's start in the community?
 
What was the background of the ragequit, and what was Ian's start in the community?
First off, you have to realize, by the standards of Usenet at the time, Ian wasn't even a lolcow as we now call them. He was just another spergy teen/20 something in a place loaded with them (myself included). The culture of shwi by the time had developed into a place with its own unwritten social rules and cliques. It had aspirations of being far more academic and literary than its science fiction roots really merited. In order to be a poster in good standing, you had to be able to cite whatever au courant works were written on the subject and be somewhat disdainful of other aspects of geek culture that were deemed lowbrow, as well as avoid discussing alternate history deemed tired, overdone or implausible (even when the POD attempted to do a plausible or novel take on it)

Ian wouldn't or couldn't abide by these unwritten rules. I don't remember when he showed up. It was very high traffic group at its peak, and I wasn't much into the discussion threads he frequented the most. Rest assured that he quickly made a name for himself by being remarkably thin-skinned, pompous and pretentious in a group filled with posters who shared those traits. Generally speaking, regulars would do their best to needle people like that, and most of us grew thicker hides in the unmoderated environment. It became a regular cycle for him to post, get heat for talking out of his asshole about shit he didn't know very well, flame out, and disappear for a stretch, only to return like nothing happened later.

Given that he would often talk down and patronize others, eventually another poster dug up his personal webpage of the time and posted it to the group. Ever wonder why Ian is so sensitive about having his pictures posted and being doxxed? Well, at the time, nearly every picture of himself on his page was of him wearing a black turtleneck with rimless spectacles and his hair combed back. Remember the old SNL skit with Mike Myers called "Sprockets"? Ian looked like a blondish version of the character Dieter. I think he was actually trying to mimic Steve Jobs new look on returning to Apple, but it really didn't work. Given his pretentious yet vapid nature, it became a sport to call him Dieter, or post "TOUCH THE MONKEY!" when he was sperging out in threads. This naturally enraged him beyond anything else, but he couldn't do shit about it.

When he finally posted he was starting his own forum after one of his flameout cycles, even back then, he said that it was due to the Usenet being choked with spam at the time, which was true, but everyone knew it was because he was a butthurt SOB, and everyone predicted it would be an empty echo chamber. We didn't want to accept that the Usenet was dying and that the next generation of youth were going to be solely on the web. Hence Ian ended up being the first person to start an alternate history forum just as a flood of young Millennial history geeks were hitting the web at the same time and the rest is history. He just happened to be at the right place and time, and first starter momentum has kept it going ever since.

I think he's gotten bored of history a long time ago, and doesn't really get much pleasure out of running an alternate history forum. He does get pleasure out of being a dictatorial cunt, which is probably the sole reason he still runs it. He's not very engaged with it, which is probably why he hasn't destroyed it in a pique. Fucker does have a long memory of grudges. People who trolled and needled him on shwi have had membership applications denied decades after the fact.

It should be noted that by the standards of shwi, he was a rather small and unremarkable dweeb compared to group legends like Adam Yoshida, Jordon Bassior, Robert Meza and author S.M. Stirling who would be considered massive lolcows with endlessly flowing milk nowadays.
 
Oh god, don’t make me remember the Draka books, which seem, from Feral Historian’s synopses, to be primarily an excuse for grimdark and hot lesbian slave sex. On the other hand, it is kind of sad that he’d probably get himself cancelled for those today.
Draka is on my too read list
 
The culture of shwi by the time had developed into a place with its own unwritten social rules and cliques. It had aspirations of being far more academic and literary than its science fiction roots really merited. In order to be a poster in good standing, you had to be able to cite whatever au courant works were written on the subject and be somewhat disdainful of other aspects of geek culture that were deemed lowbrow, as well as avoid discussing alternate history deemed tired, overdone or implausible (even when the POD attempted to do a plausible or novel take on it)

Ian wouldn't or couldn't abide by these unwritten rules
That's really ironic because minus the geek culture thing, that sounds like AH.com if you try and discuss much-loved subjects like Operation Sea Lion, Confederate victories, or eternal Roman Empires. Even nowadays where people learn more from Youtubers and memes than they do actual books, there's still a lot of that.
Oh god, don’t make me remember the Draka books, which seem, from Feral Historian’s synopses, to be primarily an excuse for grimdark and hot lesbian slave sex. On the other hand, it is kind of sad that he’d probably get himself cancelled for those today.
Ian at least didn't seem to care until he said he'd press a button to kill all Muslims. Then SM Stirling got banned.
 
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That's really ironic because minus the geek culture thing, that sounds like AH.com if you try and discuss much-loved subjects like Operation Sea Lion, Confederate victories, or eternal Roman Empires. Even nowadays where people learn more from Youtubers and memes than they do actual books, there's still a lot of that.
What can I say, history circles and repeats itself. As for the geek culture thing, the core of shwi was made up guys who thought everything outside the printed word was somewhat declasse to enthusiastically enjoy, unless it had some sort of cultural cachet to it. Hence, anything related to gaming was right out, it was okay to like Babylon 5 or The Prisoner, but not Star Wars or Sliders, and writing fanfic set in other fictional universes was considered risible unless done ironically.

It's a very GenX "too cool for school" thing that doesn't exist anymore. I kind of wish it stayed even if it was pretentious and oft times hypocritical, because it was a form of gatekeeping that kept everything from descending to cultural slop and pandering.
Ian at least didn't seem to care until he said he'd press a button to kill all Muslims. Then SM Stirling got banned.
That's nothing compared to the shit he used to post on newsgroups. I really didn't like the guy at the time, but I've come to realize he was a trolling edgelord rather than being genuine when he said shit like that, which is pretty sad for guy in his late 40s-early 50s at the time. That said, he's pretty much the Boomer version of "while you were studying pick up artists, I was studying the way of the sword". He had a fuck ton of surface level knowledge about martial arts and traditional crafting, but it was manifestly clear he had never actually been in a fight nor lifted a hammer in his life. Just read a lot of books.
 
You can access a bunch of archived soc.history.what-if posts and threads by simply adding shwi after the first slash on the URL, like so:

Any threads in particular that I should check for Ian's antics in?

I wanna see his bitchfit at being called Dieter

Ian wouldn't or couldn't abide by these unwritten rules.
What were some AH scenarios that he would focus on?

Are the Dieter pictures still around?
 
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Any threads in particular that I should check for Ian's antics in?

I wanna see his bitchfit at being called Dieter.


What were some AH scenarios that he would focus on?

Are the Dieter pictures still around?
The page posted is mostly TLs with only posts relating to the TL by the author. All the discussion threads and commentary, all those gallons of lolcow milk are gone, like teardrops in the rain, bro.

That's what scary about the internet. Not that things are forever, but quite the opposite. So much of early internet history is gone. Deleted, obsolesced, unarchived, inaccessible. The good and the bad. The Usenet client I used with all the posts downloaded and saved, along with whatever else I didn't deem necessary to back-up went out in a hard drive crash in 2003. I didn't even think about going onto Dejanews back when it was still around and digging it all up again. I didn't think it was important.

Moral of the story? Back up everything. Onto media you own yourself.
 
While I didn't find the Dieter pics from 2000, I did find a pic of Ian pulled from his now deleted facebook profile that engendered a round of mass bannings when it came to light on the board for reasons that are pretty clear.

He's a bald squill-headed fuck now, but he still has the same rimless glasses and penchant for all black clothing.
 
While I didn't find the Dieter pics from 2000, I did find a pic of Ian pulled from his now deleted facebook profile that engendered a round of mass bannings when it came to light on the board for reasons that are pretty clear.

He's a bald squill-headed fuck now, but he still has the same rimless glasses and penchant for all black clothing.
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Posting here as an archive, just in case imgur ever decides to be retarded. A nice portrait of Ian the Admin, noted slavery apologist.
 
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Posting here as an archive, just in case imgur ever decides to be retarded. A nice portrait of Ian the Admin, noted slavery apologist.
Let's not forget, rape apologist as well, as the whole Beria kerfluffle on the board showed.
By the way, does anyone have any advice on how to open and search massive mbox files? I found an archive of shwi in that format, but I'm too tech illiterate to get it to open without crashing chrome.
Ian was also a prolific poster on rec.arts.sf.written. Some of my memories may be conflated from there.

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Never mind, found Dieter!
 
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Any of you ever read Rumsfeldia? It was an alt-history story where Donald Rumsfeld became president in the 80s and how everything went to shit from therd. Wasn't that good to he honest

I read it a while ago, but I don't remember much. Didn't it descend into a Handmaid's Tale tier depiction of the Christian right? Regardless, IMO the author should have stopped with the earlier Fear and Loathing.

Apparently Rumsfeld tries to implement Anarcho-Capitalism or smth, felt like a character assassination

(A Rummy presidency probably looks similar to Reagan's, expect he probably invades Nicaragua or something)


Theres an entire genre of althistory by subpar authors where they fantasize about how a bog standard republican with zero reason to believe they would do anything all that out of step with any other bog standard republican, somehow becomes Hitler 10x when they get into power. Sometimes the 'they would be 10x Hitler if they ever get into power' stories concern politicians who have already been in power. Turtledove gets in on the action himself.
 
My bet's on defending Beria for allegedly kidnapping and raping young women.
 
My bet's on defending Beria for allegedly kidnapping and raping young women.
Nah, a user named Stenz was questioning why another user on the board only got kicked by Calbear for a week instead of instabanned for saying Beria's rapes were nonviolent, and Ian in DMs said that you can't always assume rape is violent.
 
Nah, a user named Stenz was questioning why another user on the board only got kicked by Calbear for a week instead of instabanned for saying Beria's rapes were nonviolent, and Ian in DMs said that you can't always assume rape is violent.
And this is the guy who gives you a kick for anything that goes against male feminist orthodoxy like saying Gamergate had sone points or Brett Kavanaugh probably didn't rape anyone. 100% Ian has some serious skeletons in his closet.
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I extend this to other areas too, which is actually no easy task. I do not place much confidence in my decisions or opinions unless I have enough facts to back them up, and it actually takes a lot of reading and learning to get the real facts behind things like political arguments. Most people have beliefs about things they don't know much about (like political issues), which they hold very dearly even if they know relatively little about what they're talking about. This is the short road to being wrong, because everybody is wrong about something and the only reliable way to become right is to find some evidence that you are wrong, and change your mind. Finding out when you are wrong requires some actively open-minded effort, to learn about new points of view rather than just about arguments in favor of the beliefs you already hold. This is one reason I like Internet discussions - they're full of people who disagree with me, although not always as intelligently or politely as I would like.
I take it Dieter here didn't live by what he wrote?

As for religion, I am a methodological atheist as a consequence of my general philosophy. I do not believe in anything which I do not have significant evidence for. Since there is no real evidence for the existance of any gods, I don't believe in any of them. Actually I regard most attempts to establish the existance of a god or gods as quite ludicrous.
And an absolute fedora atheist, who would've guessed from someone who had an entire page called "Manifesto of the Moment." I can totally see why this guy was mocked.:neckbeard:

I wonder just how much he's still like this? All I ever see from Ian is him screaming at people and tossing out kicks and bans for disagreeing with him on politics. Was he anything like CalBear who has a habit of wading into topics he knows very little about and scurries off/bans you when proven wrong?
 
And this is the guy who gives you a kick for anything that goes against male feminist orthodoxy like saying Gamergate had sone points or Brett Kavanaugh probably didn't rape anyone. 100% Ian has some serious skeletons in his closet.
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Lots of these older pictures Ian I've seen so far has some scary vibes about him.

I would not feel safe if I was alone and he offered me free candy from his van.
 
I was pleasantly shocked to see Ian actually banning simps for male sexism and racist shitlibs raging about legal Latino/Arab voters abandoning Democrats the past week, but as things further settle down I'm seeing the usual gaggle of troons and White Dudes For Harris start to squawk up again and try to take over the forum culture once more.

Honestly? I think they will and this will be a microcosm of the Democrats' future woes. The virtue-signalers and crybullies have taken over enough institutions they will NOT give them up willingly, and as we've seen, their rank and file are a lot more sexist (to both sexes, somehow), racist (because how dare legal immigrants hate illegals or minorities get tired of empty pandering) and anti-working class (on Xitter the latest grievance posting is how the election'd go for people with degrees only, how dare poor people vote!) than anyone realized. It's no wonder the Democratic side of American political life lost this election and if things continue as they are, normal people of all stripes will continue abandoning them for everything from being the actual "-ists" to absolutely doing nothing to help the working or middle classes.

I really don't doubt there's tons of idiots and awful people on the GOP side as well, just in case anyone wondered. But a lot of people for a moment woke up to the above when it came to idpol, so it's been fascinating to see.
the politicization of that site is honestly a tragedy, they should consider discussing things such as what would have happened if Constantine lost the Battle of the Milvian Bridge isntead of discussing Kamala losing the election.
 
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