Should the world censor Lolicon?

[Lemmingwise]

Being objective; how many people who have turned out to be virulently against Loli ended up owning Child Porn, or being convicted of Child Rape/Molestation? If it does indeed make someone a real pedophile just like how violent video games make you a real murderer, then why can people only ever cite like, 3 examples? I'm genuinely not trying to be partisan here, these are just the facts that I'm aware of. There's statistically more reason to be suspicious of the people who are extremely negative against it than those who aren't.

There is nothing objective about it.

This idea of people who are against something must secretly be that thing themselves started with the gay lobby.

If you look at empirical data in regards to gay people, particulalry STD's and incidence of statutory rape and other child molestation, the numbers are astronomical.

On top of that, particularly men have a strong often inborn revulsion against seing homosexual acts (even kissing). And on top of that there is a long cultural bias against homosexuality from insults calling weak, effeminate men gay to calling a man gay if he doesn't jump at every opportunity to have sex with a woman.

Now with the decks stacked against such, it is a miracle people ever legalised gay marriage.

Of course it wasn't good for anyone's career prospects or reputation to be openly gay and that didn't help to get people to campaign for it. Because anyone that did ran into as well as the inborn as cultural biases.

One of the important ways to turn this around was to just switch the tables. "I may be gay, but if you're against it, you must be secretly gay!" This idea was popularized by the movie American Beauty, where the neighbour murderer is exactly that. But it since then can be seen in a whole host of movies and tv series.

Though we only have maybe two or three cases of such a thing and they're typically the kind of high profile people that someone like Epstein may have had blackmail material on. Often these positions are attained exactly because there is blackmail against someone (they can be controlled).

But it also prevents people from speaking against it without incurring the same reputation damage, even if they're clean as can be. It's a fear tactic to prevent people from speaking out against it.

And of course if the rhetorical device works for homosexuality, why not apply it to pedophilia too?

You claim there are only 3 examples of people who became offending pedophiles after loli material, but I doubt you can name more examples of people that are against it who turned out to be offending pedophiles. Yet you don't have the same standard of proof for that claim. I get why, I grew up in a similar culture, with the same media.

But when I ask certain questions and I look at the data, an entirely different picture emerges.

I mean if someone heavily against something would mean they secretly are that thing.

I imagine rape victims are virulently against rape. Does that mean they are secretly in favor of rape?

I'd expect the parents or spouses of rape victims are virulently against rape. Are they secret rapists?

If there are so many other, perfectly legitimate reasons why someone can have a strong emotional bias for investment into a subject, isn't it the most heartless thing to then blame them of secretly being in favor of it?

I don't know if pornographic material can be a gateway drug, I suspect it can be, but I don't know. But to be sure that anyone against it must be secretly for it, is I think an unintentional evil committed by the people who repeat it.

And an intentional one by the people who dreamed it up.

 

[Rungle]

in america killing people with realistic 3d video games for entertainment is the accepted norm

people get euphoria 360 no scoping someones head and watching them die

to be against lolicon is to be 90s Nintendo of America with Mortal Kombat

Killing shit is a primal instinct all humans have; it doesn't matter if it's animals or their own kind.
However, wanting to fuck children animated or not is usually associated with mental illness and low IQ.

 

[A Thick Piece of Meat]

Killing shit is a primal instinct all humans have; it doesn't matter if it's animals or their own kind.
However, wanting to fuck children animated or not is usually associated with mental illness and low IQ.

on that end wouldn't that mean media that promotes it for entertainment is engaging our innate desires the same way? that's a double standard

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

Regardless of free-speech arguments and whether or not this is morally acceptable, a large issue is whether or not it's actually feasible to censor it.

Since it's a drawing, there's no definite line of what is and what isn't considered to be underage, unlike IRL pornography where you can just check whether or not the actors/actresses are actually of legal age or not. Who decides what is and what isn't legal?
Is it based on canonical age? As if so, you'll just have people that'll draw something that's clearly underage and then claim it's actually a 900 year old vampire.
Is it based on physical characteristics? In that case, is any drawing of a short or flat-chested character now considered to be underage?
If you crudely drew a stickman with a penis on a scrap of paper and claimed it was 15, would you then be deemed a criminal?

Even once you decide on some criteria, you're gonna have to set up a system to actually go through this shit and censor it. If you use AI to filter through it, you're going to end up with tons of false positives or things that are clearly underage being deemed okay, because AI are incredibly stupid as we've seen time and time again. If you use people to filter through it, you're going to end up with people's personal biases affecting what they decide is okay - plus exposing people to massive amounts of hentai of questionable legality is frankly a PR disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

You claim there are only 3 examples of people who became offending pedophiles after loli material, but I doubt you can name more examples of people that are against it who turned out to be offending pedophiles. Yet you don't have the same standard of proof for that claim. I get why, I grew up in a similar culture, with the same media.

In the link below and the two inserted images below; there are 4 examples. It took me less than 2 minutes to find these. I also didn't claim there was ONLY 3 examples period. I was saying how people can only seemingly cite the same 3, meanwhile; I know for a fact that there's more than just the 4 examples I've shown here. Again, I'm not trying to be partisan, I'm just stating what seem to be the facts of the matter.
https://twitter.com/BepDelta/status/1358838396152643593

 

[Secret Asshole]

Pedophiles will always offend. There's little to no point banning fictional drawings. Obviously, CP should be banned completely and everyone involved shot, since it involves real children. I just differentiate because real pedophiles, pedophile rings and child pornographers are just infinitely more horrifying than fake images. I know a lot of people call me a loli apologist, but when I researched the topic for my thesis and I learned what Eastern European gangs do to kids in child porn they make, its just hard for me to reconcile in my head that the two are equivalent. Obviously if someone is drawing a child that they know being molested, than that should be illegal and they should be arrested. I actually do think that's illegal, don't quote me on it though.

In the link below and the two inserted images below; there are 4 examples. It took me less than 2 minutes to find these. I also didn't claim there was ONLY 3 examples period. I was saying how people can only seemingly cite the same 3, meanwhile; I know for a fact that there's more than just the 4 examples I've shown here. Again, I'm not trying to be partisan, I'm just stating what seem to be the facts of the matter.
https://twitter.com/BepDelta/status/1358838396152643593

Do we know if its loli or did they watch child porn too (not that they'd admit it)? If they were pedos they were going to offend anyway. Not having access to loli wouldn't make a difference IMO. Pedophiles have such a strong compulsion to brutalize children it is only a matter of time before they do something. I mean, pedos have gotten off to advertisements of children before. So loli or no loli, it would have been inevitable. There's no such thing as a non-offending pedophile.

The whole thing rests on if you believe that someone can become a pedophile or not. I don't believe you can become a pedophile. You either are one or you aren't one. Watching loli isn't going to change that. Its like sayin if you watched 'Cuties' you become at risk for being a pedophile. All it took was for me seeing the poster for Cuties and that was enough to make me physically fucking ill.

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

Pedophiles will always offend. There's little to no point banning fictional drawings. Obviously, CP should be banned completely and everyone involved shot, since it involves real children. I just differentiate because real pedophiles, pedophile rings and child pornographers are just infinitely more horrifying than fake images. I know a lot of people call me a loli apologist, but when I researched the topic for my thesis and I learned what Eastern European gangs do to kids in child porn they make, its just hard for me to reconcile in my head that the two are equivalent. Obviously if someone is drawing a child that they know being molested, than that should be illegal and they should be arrested. I actually do think that's illegal, don't quote me on it though.

Do we know if its loli or did they watch child porn too (not that they'd admit it)? If they were pedos they were going to offend anyway. Not having access to loli wouldn't make a difference IMO. Pedophiles have such a strong compulsion to brutalize children it is only a matter of time before they do something. I mean, pedos have gotten off to advertisements of children before. So loli or no loli, it would have been inevitable. There's no such thing as a non-offending pedophile.

The whole thing rests on if you believe that someone can become a pedophile or not. I don't believe you can become a pedophile. You either are one or you aren't one. Watching loli isn't going to change that. Its like sayin if you watched 'Cuties' you become at risk for being a pedophile. All it took was for me seeing the poster for Cuties and that was enough to make me physically fucking ill.

The people in the pictures and link I posted were explicitly people against Loli. Vehemently so. Thou doth protest too much, that sort of thing.

 

[The Marauder]

The only reason people brag online about wanting to fuck children, real or otherwise, is because there’s communities for them. This also applies to people that brag about fucking their dogs.

 

[Secret Asshole]

The people in the pictures and link I posted were explicitly people against Loli. Vehemently so. Thou doth protest too much, that sort of thing.

Ah, my bad. I was confused, I thought it was people who became pedophiles after looking at loli.

 

[Fields Of Rye]

Also can someone explain to me why the fuck people are using the violent video game comparison as if that isn't the worst defense in fucking history.

The argument seems to be that just because you watch the virtual, doesn't mean you'll DO the actual, but the whole thing with child pornography is that you don't have to actually fuck a kid to support it's production. Simply watching the real shit is the uncrossable line.

How many stories exist of people who discover some weird ass fetish from Resident Evil or some shit and are now into some weird, vague, niche fetish pornography. Or may I bring up the fact that Furries emerged from like, a weird magazine in the 60s. Hell, one of the first guns I bought was an over under shotgun because I liked the one from New Vegas and I use that gun to this day. Larping, Cosplay, Mall Ninja weapons. People go above and beyond with videogames all the time.

Right now there's some faggot whose probably spent every consecutive summer since 2012 in an asbestos suit at some con dressed as the pyro. It really wouldn't surprise me if there was an equivalent for lolicons, and this is before getting into in group radicalization.

So in some ways it kinda feels like I'm a preacher from the 80s terrified the DND might turn the youth gay and make them cast spells in real life. But every time I here "haha, no one would ever cross the line between video games and reality" it just sounds like you've never smelt the inside of a Games Workshop.

 

[janedoe]

it should be legal
the same way it's legal to publicly shame and humiliate lolicons and remind them the rope is always an option.

 

[Niggerman]

Fine with Lolicon being banned as long as we ban gay porn real and drawings, otherwise nope.

 

[Pimpleking55]

Also can someone explain to me why the fuck people are using the violent video game comparison as if that isn't the worst defense in fucking history.

The argument seems to be that just because you watch the virtual, doesn't mean you'll DO the actual, but the whole thing with child pornography is that you don't have to actually fuck a kid to support it's production. Simply watching the real shit is the uncrossable line.

How many stories exist of people who discover some weird ass fetish from Resident Evil or some shit and are now into some weird, vague, niche fetish pornography. Or may I bring up the fact that Furries emerged from like, a weird magazine in the 60s. Hell, one of the first guns I bought was an over under shotgun because I liked the one from New Vegas and I use that gun to this day. Larping, Cosplay, Mall Ninja weapons. People go above and beyond with videogames all the time.

Right now there's some faggot whose probably spent every consecutive summer since 2012 in an asbestos suit at some con dressed as the pyro. It really wouldn't surprise me if there was an equivalent for lolicons, and this is before getting into in group radicalization.

So in some ways it kinda feels like I'm a preacher from the 80s terrified the DND might turn the youth gay and make them cast spells in real life. But every time I here "haha, no one would ever cross the line between video games and reality" it just sounds like you've never smelt the inside of a Games Workshop.

Some people are just evil, disturbed or insane and they will always be there as long as the world turns....and there are a lot of them.

Because there are school shooters you shouldn't ban guns, or because of drunk drivers you shouldn't ban alcohol or cars, or video games,music ect ect, you get the point. There should be some faith in humanity that if you buy a sword for your collection you don't go stabbing people or look at a drawn picture of a naked little girl that you don't go flinging your dick across a child's face. If you do you are evil and disturbed and the law will/should take care of you.

I wish every pedo fapped exclusively to lolicon by that there would surely be a lot less hurt children , but they don't care for drawings they always want the real thing.

Back when Madelaine Mccann was a hot item i watched a lot related documentaries out of morbid curiosity and everytime it is the same pattern: The child molesters are direct or very close family, or a person in a role with major power (like jimmy Savile, or that dude that worked in a orphanage who was recently murdered in prison),lolicon was never mentioned in all of those cases........compared to all that, some perverted artist and a degenerate consumer don't look that important at all.
By this i am talking about drawn stuff offcourse which is clearly fictitious, real cp should be banned and exterminated everywhere because there is a victim.

Strangely there always seems more rage and screaming about the fictitious (twitter and the likes), than the real stuff......stab a kid to death and you can hear a pin drop.
But if you can't separate fiction from reality don't watch silence of the lambs with friends.

 

[TheFinalCountdown]

lolicon is drawings of children that are girls.

some say it makes people into pedophiles and motivates them to harm and should be censored to protect children

some day it gives them an outlet and nothing should be censored for free speech

I will make a poll too

It depends on the person Mass Debating to it, not the drawing itself. For example, some crazy dude could jack off to lolis like a million times each day, but never touch a real child because "they are too ugly!!!" or something autistic like that. Yet meanwhile, some sick pedo jacks off to loli hentai like, once a week and touches children, even before discovering loli.

 

[Ser Prize]

does lolicon help or hurt children by existing?

Hurts. Definitely hurts. The world of coom is a slippery one and I've seen many many people go down the pipeline of increasingly extreme fetishes and desires, which is where you get deranged shit. And more derangement begets more derangement. Lets assume "LOLIS AREN'T CHILDREN GUYS" is a true premise: what's to stop someone whose super into lolicon from going further down that rabbit hole and getting real illegal?

If you say "muh slippery slope fallacy" you deserve to be shot in the nuts, btw.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

If you say "muh slippery slope fallacy" you deserve to be shot in the nuts, btw.

I think if the past five years have taught us anything, it's that people who believe in the slippery slope fallacy are victim of a fallacy. I've yet to see an example where people who talk about slippery slopes in a calm and coherent manner are proven wrong.

 

[Atatata]

what's to stop someone whose super into lolicon from going further down that rabbit hole and getting real illegal?

Wouldnt it be the fact that its illegal?
If you had an alternative that was safe and legal why would you go for the alternative that would hurt real people if you weren't already fine with that in the first place?
Alternatively, if something is already illegal, what would stop you from getting more illegal?

 

[JokahBaybee]

Lol wouldn't it be funny to derail this thread every 6 pages to talk about digibro?

(Only chad gamers will get the reference)

 

[Realistic Elephant]

This is a great opportunity to heal the racial and religious divisions in our world.

We can all agree on one thing: that pedos deserve the rope even if their sick fantasies involve Japanese cartoons.

 

[Ser Prize]

Wouldnt it be the fact that its illegal?
If you had an alternative that was safe and legal why would you go for the alternative that would hurt real people if you weren't already fine with that in the first place?
Alternatively, if something is already illegal, what would stop you from getting more illegal?

You miss my point: porn is a tolerance game. Gradually it won't be enough. What do you think happens when a hardcore lolicon finds loli ain't doing it for him anymore?