Yeah, I don't know if evopsych stands on its own as a group. It's a part of many of these groups in different ways.
Evopsych taken to its logical conclusion is arguably far more damning to men. I'm a little surprised it's so popular, but they have enough cognitive dissonance already to just think away the parts they don't like.
No offense intended, but I think you're making a mistake there of debating, or at least criticizing, their philosophy on their own terms, when their own terms are largely baseless or re-defined to the point of meaninglessness. This leads to long, drawn out dissertations on what is essentially babble. It doesn't matter if they call human relationships a marketplace or ecology or "battle of the sexes" or whatever, because all such attempts at metaphor are fundamentally missing the simple problem causing these guys' unhappiness. Put simply, they think they are unhappy because they can't get women they want, and so they blame those women for that using long, drawn out metaphors like "dating markets" to justify their blame. Debating their metaphor is completely missing their underlying problem just like they themselves miss it.
These guys are not unique in that; for every whiny man out there blaming women for his inability to get a date there is a whiny woman "unable to find a man" blaming men for her failures. This is just the thread for laughing at whiny men.
Both groups, in blaming the opposite gender, are completely failing to recognize (or admit) their basic problem: they mistakenly believe that their happiness depends on possessing things, in this case boyfriends or girlfriends¹, but mere possessions cannot do that. So they will always fail because their goal, happiness through possessions, simply doesn't exist. I don't know if it's due to ever increasing advertising or what, but as time goes by it seems like more and more people are falling into this trap of mistakenly believing that possessions, whether they are expensive cars or flashy jewelry or handsome boyfriends or beautiful girlfriends or whatever, will somehow make them happy. The whiny incels on the internet are just a small subset of that general trend.
Until they learn that happiness cannot come from without and take responsibility for their own happiness, nothing they try is going to work for them. Certainly not making long, spergy dissertations on the internet explaining how their unhappiness is everyone else's fault but their own. And debating or criticizing those dissertations isn't going to change that either.
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¹ Yes, I know that people are not objects, but that's besides the point because these dateless wonders certainly treat them as such.
Anytime I read people talking about the "dating market" and how women are "pricing themselves too high" I just roll my eyes. It smacks of ignorance of any kind of economic system and doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
The idea seems to be that women as a whole are "pricing" themselves higher and higher all the time. Which, ok, I don't know the sociology behind that but I could buy it. They are increasingly pricing men out of the market by being too expensive for a lot of men to pay.
But incels seem to think that instead of women realizing this and adjusting their "price" according (god I feel autistic just typing this out) they will just keep increasing their price forever until the majority of men can't afford it and then society collapses or something.
This would work if women didn't want relationships.. but they do! I know they like to talk about how the government is replacing men, but even if women had all the money they ever wanted, free housecare, free childcare, free sperm and free sex at their beck and call, most women would still want a partner! Obviously, there are plenty of examples of women (and men) who DO have all that and they still want a partner. Aside from the broken women these types seem to constantly run into (which do exist, just not as much as they think) it's simply human to want a partner to share your life with and nothing is going to change that.
Certain PUAs are propagating this ridiculous inflation myth, for obviously selfish purposes. Didn't Roosh recently write about how in the near future, most men would have to spend 2 hours minimum learning pick-up a day just to keep up? Oh, so they'll have to spend two hours on YOUR site, Roosh? It's really convenient you're trying to scare men into thinking that.
I'm not one of those people who thinks feminism is going to fix men's problems but there is so much toxic stuff coming out of these sites. These guys say they hate women, but I think a lot of them hate and are actively hurting men for their own purposes too. It makes sense, if you spend a lot of time hating and treating one group of people like shit how could you not be a toxic selfish person in other ways? Sort of like extreme SJWs like Vade, they claim to be on your side because they are using you.
And geez, the guy who posted "I've been thinking, what if we're not the problem" I've never seen a better example of confirmation bias. It's also pretty obvious that he hasn't cut google tracking off so he's increasingly being shown these sites because search has been personalized for him.. which is honestly an issue that really freaks me out but that's a whole other thing.
I thought that I would have the dating and sexual market schtick down pact by now spending time on these sites but I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of it. My guess is that they believe that we as humans are visual and for ourselves creatures. In order to past down our genes onto the future we must have a partner that we're attracted to. It's easy to see why the LS and ROK community are all "no fatties allowed". Body type is associated to health. They also think that when a overweight or obese woman loses weight, her sexual market value will increase, but she will be seen more attractive. It's no wonder why some of these guys are so sexually deprived because their standards are through the roof.
I don't think you can convince the LS crowd that women want relationships. The many times they encountered and interacted with women will state otherwise. Whether women are gatekeepers of sex and relationships is debatable you can't convince them with a strong argument on women wanting relationships. Which brings this in mind, if they constantly run into shitty and broken women all the time, does that mean there are more shitty and broken women in the world, or Western Society today than ever before?
What do you mean that he hasn't cut google tracking off? Explain that please.
Which brings this in mind, if they constantly run into shitty and broken women all the time, does that mean there are more shitty and broken women in the world, or Western Society today than ever before?
Alternatively, a person might interpret more women as shitty and broken because that person's own perceptions are distorted. There's a strong funhouse mirror element to all of this, isn't there?
Alternatively, a person might interpret more women as shitty and broken because that person's own perceptions are distorted. There's a strong funhouse mirror element to all of this, isn't there?
Perhaps. I just wonder how they manage to run into so many "shitty" and broken women. I've met some aloof and disinterested ones before, but not this level. They really should get off the LS forum for several months and see what happens.
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Wouldn't some men be hypergamous too? The ROK and PUA crowd only goes for prime, fuckable, good-looking women, so...
Alternatively, a person might interpret more women as shitty and broken because that person's own perceptions are distorted. There's a strong funhouse mirror element to all of this, isn't there?
Perhaps. I just wonder how they manage to run into so many "shitty" and broken women. I've met some aloof and disinterested ones before, but not this level. They really should get off the LS forum for several months and see what happens.
Or it could simply be that most people are generally shitty and broken. Which has been my unfortunate conclusion of many, many years of observation. Stop for a moment and think about just how awful and banal the average person really is. Then consider that half the planet is even worse than that. But what are you going to do about it? That's just how people are.
I tend to think that the sluthaters are actually correct in their belief that there really are a lot of shitty and broken women out there. This may be because they actually are somehow perceptive for once, or it may simply be for the same reason that a broken clock is correct twice a day. However this is completely irrelevant, because the sluthaters are making a much bigger, more obvious error.
The sluthaters biggest mistake is not recognizing just how unbelievably shitty and broken they, themselves are. Until they figure that out and get their own lives together, it doesn't matter what sort of women they meet or don't meet.
Sorry, I forget the phrasing, I mean the practice of Google to deliver your search results based on what you've clicked on and viewed in the past. If you spend a lot of time on loveshy and RoK then googling something simple like "dating advice" is far more likely to give you a PUA type site at the top of your search results rather than a more neutral perspective because google's algorithms have identified you're interested in that. This reinforces your worldview and creates the impression that your views are more popular/common than they may actually be (not denying this kind of thing has increased since 2007 though) this works for all ideologies and imo is a huge problem.
Like most PUA stuff it's ok if men do it because evolution has proven it's good but if women do it it's downright evil. Even though they are also products of evolution so ??? it's one of the greater mysteries of PUA to me...
Perhaps. I just wonder how they manage to run into so many "shitty" and broken women. I've met some aloof and disinterested ones before, but not this level. They really should get off the LS forum for several months and see what happens.
It reminds me a lot of the women who claim to only meet abusive men, or the people whose friends all seem to take advantage of them constantly.. I don't think you necessarily have to be broken or shitty to attract shitty broken people but it just seems to happen that some people are magnets for this stuff. It's really perplexing to the rest of us who mostly meet normal human beings who aren't scumbags. My mom is one of these perpetual victims who everybody she meets is supposedly taking advantage of her in some way, but she's also a shitty person so it makes sense at least.
Or it could simply be that most people are generally shitty and broken. Which has been my unfortunate conclusion of many, many years of observation. Stop for a moment and think about just how awful and banal the average person really is. Then consider that half the planet is even worse than that. But what are you going to do about it? That's just how people are.
I tend to think that the sluthaters are actually correct in their belief that there really are a lot of shitty and broken women out there. This may be because they actually are somehow perceptive for once, or it may simply be for the same reason that a broken clock is correct twice a day. However this is completely irrelevant, because the sluthaters are making a much bigger, more obvious error.
The sluthaters biggest mistake is not recognizing just how unbelievably shitty and broken they, themselves are. Until they figure that out and get their own lives together, it doesn't matter what sort of women they meet or don't meet.
People can be shitty and broken, I'm no different.
For instance, last semester I had a micro applications class and for a semester long project, we had to come up with a pretend business. I was paired up with a very annoying classmate, I'll call her Agnes. Now Agnes is a little slow, has some slight learning disability (I'm somewhat the same, but can pick up things a little faster). I call her very annoying because throughout the lessons in class she would always pester me about what she needs to do and so forth. This class was a hands on, interactive course. I don't know what it is, but she would get lost everytime the lesson was being conducted. Now as her project partner she would bug me every fucking minute about "um, where's the navigation pane, view tab, etc".
I gave her my number because we had to contact each other for progress report on the project. I'm not much of a phone talker, so I specifically told her to text me if she needed questions or update for the project. She calls me most of the time and only text me a few times. After I told her to text me if she needed to speak. Luckily, another classmate of mine joined the group because her classmate dropped the class and we became a three person group (which helped out a lot). Agnes is not particularly attractive neither. I wouldn't say she's hideous but not my type at all and combined with her being my project partner made Fall semester of last year a shit one. I see Agnes now and then this time around but I avert my eyes because I don't want to see her, but she knows I'm a bit of an asshole because I was anti-social and just fuck-off ish towards her.
If you read the story, yes people can be shitty and there's not much to be done about it. Should I have done things differently? Yes, but she was also overly sensitive as well, so if I said something that would've sounded harsh I know I would be put on the spot in class.
I doubt the sluthaters would believe they are shitty themselves. If they feel that feminism has inflated women's egos and standards to tenfolds they aren't going to care if they are shit or not. All they have to do is look at how Western Society is broken altogether. They feel that they are right.
People can be shitty and broken, I'm no different.
For instance, last semester I had a micro applications class and for a semester long project, we had to come up with a pretend business. I was paired up with a very annoying classmate, I'll call her Agnes. Now Agnes is a little slow, has some slight learning disability (I'm somewhat the same, but can pick up things a little faster). I call her very annoying because throughout the lessons in class she would always pester me about what she needs to do and so forth. This class was a hands on, interactive course. I don't know what it is, but she would get lost everytime the lesson was being conducted. Now as her project partner she would bug me every fucking minute about "um, where's the navigation pane, view tab, etc".
I gave her my number because we had to contact each other for progress report on the project. I'm not much of a phone talker, so I specifically told her to text me if she needed questions or update for the project. She calls me most of the time and only text me a few times. After I told her to text me if she needed to speak. Luckily, another classmate of mine joined the group because her classmate dropped the class and we became a three person group (which helped out a lot). Agnes is not particularly attractive neither. I wouldn't say she's hideous but not my type at all and combined with her being my project partner made Fall semester of last year a shit one. I see Agnes now and then this time around but I avert my eyes because I don't want to see her, but she knows I'm a bit of an asshole because I was anti-social and just fuck-off ish towards her.
If you read the story, yes people can be shitty and there's not much to be done about it. Should I have done things differently? Yes, but she was also overly sensitive as well, so if I said something that would've sounded harsh I know I would be put on the spot in class.
I doubt the sluthaters would believe they are shitty themselves. If they feel that feminism has inflated women's egos and standards to tenfolds they aren't going to care if they are shit or not. All they have to do is look at how Western Society is broken altogether. They feel that they are right.
Ha. Thank you. I don't think I'm a horrible person altogether. I just don't have as much patience as I used to. I don't mind helping others, but I'm not going to hold their hand or do everything for them. I have enough of that at home from time to time.
Sorry, I forget the phrasing, I mean the practice of Google to deliver your search results based on what you've clicked on and viewed in the past. If you spend a lot of time on loveshy and RoK then googling something simple like "dating advice" is far more likely to give you a PUA type site at the top of your search results rather than a more neutral perspective because google's algorithms have identified you're interested in that. This reinforces your worldview and creates the impression that your views are more popular/common than they may actually be (not denying this kind of thing has increased since 2007 though) this works for all ideologies and imo is a huge problem.
Like most PUA stuff it's ok if men do it because evolution has proven it's good but if women do it it's downright evil. Even though they are also products of evolution so ??? it's one of the greater mysteries of PUA to me...
It depends on how he's using the google search. If he types in, "Are women capable of loving another man?" or "Are women empathetic?", etc. He's going to run into these types of articles. The mind of a dateless man against his own will is a completely complicated one. As someone who's dateless himself, I mentally question these things, but not every waking moment of my life. That's very unhealthy.
The only reason why it seems evil if a woman does it is because men are the ones putting themselves out there, while a woman can get a date at the snap of finger just because she is a woman and has a vagina (because you know, no trannies because they are omega males who never had a strong male influence because of the single motherhood bound on turning their sons into betas and sometimes omegas in an attempt to erase or alter masculinty, destroy the nuclear family and weaken America enough so we can be obliterated by the Russian, Iran, North Korean Alliance that will soon from one day, again, this was fucking exhausting to type because you see it ALL the time!).
Sorry, I forget the phrasing, I mean the practice of Google to deliver your search results based on what you've clicked on and viewed in the past. If you spend a lot of time on loveshy and RoK then googling something simple like "dating advice" is far more likely to give you a PUA type site at the top of your search results rather than a more neutral perspective because google's algorithms have identified you're interested in that. This reinforces your worldview and creates the impression that your views are more popular/common than they may actually be (not denying this kind of thing has increased since 2007 though) this works for all ideologies and imo is a huge problem.
I'm going to go ahead and plug Duck Duck Go¹ as an alternative search engine to Google because it doesn't do that. The search results it gives are the same unfiltered results everyone gets. It's possible to configure Google to act the same way (at least according to Google it is), but it's easier just to use this other search engine.
Like most PUA stuff it's ok if men do it because evolution has proven it's good but if women do it it's downright evil. Even though they are also products of evolution so ??? it's one of the greater mysteries of PUA to me...
I don't think the PUA's are calling this perceived behavior of women "evil" so much as they are complaining about women denying it. I admit I don't know much about PUAs, but I tend to think that they would actually prefer more women to be shallow gold-diggers easily swayed by things like expensive cars and gold chains and other superficial, easily faked symbols of success. The last thing PUAs probably want are women who value real substance over affected style.
It reminds me a lot of the women who claim to only meet abusive men, or the people whose friends all seem to take advantage of them constantly.. I don't think you necessarily have to be broken or shitty to attract shitty broken people but it just seems to happen that some people are magnets for this stuff.
No offense intended to your mother, but it's also possible that some broken and shitty people tend to characterize their own former partners as broken and shitty, even though those partners are just normal, congenial people, to avoid taking any personal responsibility for their failed relationships. Anyone can make a mistake in relationships, but when someone makes mistake after mistake after mistake, I tend to start looking a little more closely at the common factor.
People can be shitty and broken, I'm no different.
For instance, last semester I had a micro applications class and for a semester long project, we had to come up with a pretend business. I was paired up with a very annoying classmate, I'll call her Agnes. Now Agnes is a little slow, has some slight learning disability (I'm somewhat the same, but can pick up things a little faster). I call her very annoying because throughout the lessons in class she would always pester me about what she needs to do and so forth. This class was a hands on, interactive course. I don't know what it is, but she would get lost everytime the lesson was being conducted. Now as her project partner she would bug me every fucking minute about "um, where's the navigation pane, view tab, etc".
I gave her my number because we had to contact each other for progress report on the project. I'm not much of a phone talker, so I specifically told her to text me if she needed questions or update for the project. She calls me most of the time and only text me a few times. After I told her to text me if she needed to speak. Luckily, another classmate of mine joined the group because her classmate dropped the class and we became a three person group (which helped out a lot). Agnes is not particularly attractive neither. I wouldn't say she's hideous but not my type at all and combined with her being my project partner made Fall semester of last year a shit one. I see Agnes now and then this time around but I avert my eyes because I don't want to see her, but she knows I'm a bit of an asshole because I was anti-social and just fuck-off ish towards her.
Group projects always suck. Either the project itself sucks or someone in the group makes it suck. Also whether she's attractive or not is irrelevant; you're there to learn, not fuck. Which brings me to my point about this: there's a way of dealing with associations like that without either being involved or explicitly "fuck-off ish". It's called "cordially professional". I recommend trying that, especially since you might get stuck in another project with her.
I doubt the sluthaters would believe they are shitty themselves.
Of course they don't. That's what I've been saying. Anybody who throws stones like they do only do it because they simply can't see their own glass house.
If they feel that feminism has inflated women's egos and standards to tenfolds they aren't going to care if they are shit or not. All they have to do is look at how Western Society is broken altogether. They feel that they are right.
The thing of it is, it doesn't matter what theory they have about anything. Whether they blame feminism or sluts or natural selection or the phases of the moon, I can guarantee they won't be critically examining themselves in any way, because that's not what they do. And whether western society is broken or not is also irrelevant to their issues, because individuals can't fix broken societies. Individuals can only fix themselves, but they have to first recognize and admit their own failings. If enough individuals do this individually, well that's how societies get fixed, but I don't see the sluthaters doing that any time soon.
Nah. Humphrey Bogart's the one wearing the Fedora and doing a damn fine job of it, unlike some kids I've seen. #hatsmatter
While we're on the subject of Bogey, I'd just like to point out that he's was only 5'7" tall. I wonder what the height obsessed incels make of that little fact.
Oh. I am an idiot, I thought you meant the black and white picture of the guy in the trillby/fedora/whatever-because-I-don't-know-shit-about-hats.
But I didn't know who the fat guy in the fedora was, either, so thanks, Arctic.
That fat guy's wearing the trilby. Badly. The most obvious difference between a trilby and a fedora is the width of the brim and the material. Trilbies have narrow brims and can made of all sorts of things. Fedoras have wide brims and are always felt. Always. Also no man has ever looked good in a trilby. At best they manage to look not-completely-stupid, and only then if they are elderly Yorkshire farmers.
The only reason why it seems evil if a woman does it is because men are the ones putting themselves out there, while a woman can get a date at the snap of finger just because she is a woman and has a vagina
Well that's certainly the incel theory. It's not been my personal observation. I mean yeah, some women actually do manage to get dates at the snap of a finger "just by being female", but I've never seen them do it with any man worth knowing.
Though I don't have any numbers or sources to back this up apart from my own observations, I strongly suspect there are a lot more lonely women out there wondering why no man ever asks them out than there are lonely men wondering why they keep getting turned down.
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¹I don't have any association with duck Duck Go, and I have no clue why it has such a stupid name, it's just the search engine I generally use to avoid biased search results.
Chad Thundercock, or simply Chad is the name given to the archetypal handsome popular jock. He is not any specific person, but rather an ideal that exists in the minds of women. A male who bears resemblence to the Chad ideal can be referred to as a "Chad".
Women evaluate men based on how close they resemble Chad. A man who bears no resemblence to Chad is worthless in the eyes of 99% of women.
It is interesting to note that no female equivalent of Chad exists. Men are attracted to all sorts of women. There are men who like short women, and men who like tall women. There are guys who like big tits, and guys who like small tits. There are chubby chasers. Even deformed women like Lizzie Velasquez have had boyfriends. Men must conform at least somewhat to the Chad ideal in order to get laid, but women do not have to conform to a similar ideal because men have varied tastes in women.
Chad Thundercock, or simply Chad is the name given to the archetypal handsome popular jock. He is not any specific person, but rather an ideal that exists in the minds of retarded, autistic wizards, who hate this imaginary person.
. The picture is Jerry Messing by the way, he was in The Addams Family Reunion and Freaks and Geeks.
