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What more can I say. I provided legitimate pe"If all humans were hardwired for certain ideas about chin beauty, then there wouldn’t be significant regional variations, but there were—native Australians were a particular outlier. The average Eastern European chin is not the average West Asian chin is not the average South African one."er-reviewed studies to back up my claims.

None of what you posted confirmed a universal conception of what constitutes an attractive person. That is an assertion on your part.

This is about chins, but the argument is the same no matter what facial feature is being discusses.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/article...l-attractiveness-and-the-meaning-of-our-chins

"If all humans were hardwired for certain ideas about chin beauty, then there wouldn’t be significant regional variations, but there were—native Australians were a particular outlier. The average Eastern European chin is not the average West Asian chin is not the average South African one."

"But it reminds us that clever evolutionary rationales for human behavior remain unproven. It may be that future generations look back on ours—in which medical professionals perform chin augmentation surgeries—with incomprehension and pity."
 
None of what you posted confirmed a universal conception of what constitutes an attractive person. That is an assertion on your part.

This is about chins, but the argument is the same no matter what facial feature is being discusses.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/article...l-attractiveness-and-the-meaning-of-our-chins

"If all humans were hardwired for certain ideas about chin beauty, then there wouldn’t be significant regional variations, but there were—native Australians were a particular outlier. The average Eastern European chin is not the average West Asian chin is not the average South African one."

"But it reminds us that clever evolutionary rationales for human behavior remain unproven. It may be that future generations look back on ours—in which medical professionals perform chin augmentation surgeries—with incomprehension and pity."

I'm only arguing for orthognathic surgery -- which addresses function and aesthetics at the same time. The two are actually linked together.

And even then Chin augmentation (osteotomy) provides some effectiveness for obstructive sleep apnea. Implants provide 0 functional value.

Again, being quite defensive. Who said I was picking on you? All I'm doing is pointing out how you chimp out and get defensive when you get asked certain questions (are you gay?/why are you posting at sluthate if you don't agree with their methods?)
Fine, I'll play by your logic. I'll ignore your posts.
 
I'm only arguing for orthognathic surgery -- which addresses function and aesthetics at the same time. The two are actually linked together.

I think you're missing my point. You're arguing for a universal conception of beauty. You relate it to orthognathic profile. I'm arguing that it is not universal.

http://www.healthguidance.org/entry...-Universally-Attractive-in-Men-and-Women.html

I don't see orthognathic profile as a factor in some sort of mythical universal attractiveness.

I don't really care that orthognathic surgery addresses function and cosmetics.
 
You had surgery. You are happy with the results of your surgery. We are happy for you. (No, genuinely. We are. You were pissed off and did something about it and it's worked out well. Go you.)

How did this lead you to be whiteknighting the sluthaters on the 'Farms, though? What's the connection? If you were whiteknighting posters from a plastic surgery forum, the link would be more obvious, but how did you get from a person satisfied with the results of their surgery to posting on sluthate, and coming to another board to defend them, on top of that?
 
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You had surgery. You are happy with the results of your surgery. We are happy for you. (No, genuinely. We are. You were pissed off and did something about it and it's worked out well. Go you.)

How did this lead you to be whiteknighting the sluthaters on the 'Farms, though? What's the connection? If you were whiteknighting posters from a plastic surgery forum, the link would be more obvious, but how did you get from a person satisfied with the results of their surgery to posting on sluthate, and coming to another board to defend them, on top of that?
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I have over 3000 posts on jsforums. I have 200 posts on sluthate.com. This should give you an idea of how much of my time I actually spend on sluthate.
I'm not whiteknighting sluthate.com as a whole. Just pointing out that a lot of the members on the site ARE actually just patients who qualify for orthognathic surgery and suffer from skeletal deformities. And I personally think that a lot of these individuals just need to be pushed in the right direction to move on from their negative feedback loop on posting on sluthate.com.
 
Just pointing out that a lot of the members on the site ARE actually just patients who qualify for orthognathic surgery and suffer from skeletal deformities. And I personally think that a lot of these individuals just need to be pushed in the right direction to move on from their negative feedback loop on posting on sluthate.com.

I defer this point since I can't take sluthate more than just a few minutes. What I don't understand is why these people who would benefit from orthognathic surgery would go there. Isn't there plenty of other places they could go to get support? Why do they go to one of the worst "redpill" sites on earth?
 
I defer this point since I can't take sluthate more than just a few minutes. What I don't understand is why these people who would benefit from orthognathic surgery would go there. Isn't there plenty of other places they could go to get support? Why do they go to one of the worst "redpill" sites on earth?

Because some people actually don't know that their own skeletal and dental maloclussions is what causes them to be unattractive.

My time at sluthate in a nutshell: I make posts about aesthetics and what others can do if they truly want to improve in it : people pm me questions and photos and rate me pms : I respond by telling them to stop being desperate and to go see an orthognathic surgeon / psychiatrist
 
Because some people actually don't know that their own skeletal and dental maloclussions is what causes them to be unattractive.

My time at sluthate in a nutshell: I make posts about aesthetics and what others can do if they truly want to improve in it : people pm me questions and photos and rate me pms : I respond by telling them to stop being desperate and to go see an orthognathic surgeon / psychiatrist

So you pimp quackery to desperate morons.

Congratulations.
 
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I have over 3000 posts on jsforums. I have 200 posts on sluthate.com. This should give you an idea of how much of my time I actually spend on sluthate.
I'm not whiteknighting sluthate.com as a whole. Just pointing out that a lot of the members on the site ARE actually just patients who qualify for orthognathic surgery and suffer from skeletal deformities. And I personally think that a lot of these individuals just need to be pushed in the right direction to move on from their negative feedback loop on posting on sluthate.com.

I defer this point since I can't take sluthate more than just a few minutes. What I don't understand is why these people who would benefit from orthognathic surgery would go there. Isn't there plenty of other places they could go to get support? Why do they go to one of the worst "redpill" sites on earth?

Stoned, I am sure you are right about the surgery (all I know about dentistry is to turn up every six months and do as the man tells me) but supdup has a fair point here. I poked around that RealSelf site for cosmetic surgery/reviews linked earlier in the thread and they were all people who were dealing with their feelings about their appearance without, well, being fucking nuts as many SH posters are. These dudes have more problems than just their jaws, do you not think?

Also, is there somewhere you can refer them to have these discussions which is not a place that spawned a spree killer? This cannot be a psychologically happy place to hang out.

I hate to bring the Real Talk and I also apologise if I'm making a wrong assumption about your sexuality, but.... you don't actually belong with these people. You have by your own statement fixed your perceived aesthetic problem (I have no idea how you looked before and after so I'm taking at face value that you did actually look not-good before). You tell us that you're pretty socially successful. You have college education. You intend to become a dentist, a high-earning, high-status, low-unemployment profession. In short: you can reasonably expect to have no difficulty attracting and keeping partners, if an LTR (even marriage/kids, idk?) is a thing you want in your future. Now, I have visited SH on a number of occasions and these guys? They are fucked, dude. They are almost invariably deranged, invariably first class assholes, mostly broke as fuck, mostly living with mama still. They spend their day posting about how much the hate women with one hand whilst fapping with the other and crying all the time. They are fucked. You do not belong with these losers.

Now, if you like hanging out with them, or you feel a responsibility to try and help them, you go for it. But the harsh reality is that, in terms of life chances and potential, you are waaaaaaay closer to Chad than you are to the average SH regular. I appreciate that before your surgery, you may have identified with these people. Stop doing that. Think of it like this: childless women who are regs on infertility forums leave once they become mothers. There are two reasons for this: it's time, for their own conception of themselves and their social role, to move on from the role of 'childless woman'; and they are no longer able to share the pain of their fellow posters, even if they remember and sympathise with it.

Dude, just think about this for a while. Turn it over in your mind. But please, start thinking of yourself as someone for whom life is going to work out well, because it actually is.
 
So they come to you because they are insecure and you tell them "Get plastic surgery."

Look you seem like a sensible enough guy and you have a top five. But dude, just get out of that community. Join some "Yay we all like plastic surgery" forum. I'm sure that shit exists. Going to a forum with a bunch of bitter nerds wanting to feel needed or whatever just sounds unhealthy.
 
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I have over 3000 posts on jsforums. I have 200 posts on sluthate.com. This should give you an idea of how much of my time I actually spend on sluthate.
I'm not whiteknighting sluthate.com as a whole. Just pointing out that a lot of the members on the site ARE actually just patients who qualify for orthognathic surgery and suffer from skeletal deformities. And I personally think that a lot of these individuals just need to be pushed in the right direction to move on from their negative feedback loop on posting on sluthate.com.

Oh sure they suffer some skeletal deformities. They don't have brains in their heads.
 
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